End Of The Road for X58

[Ika]

Haven't they been doing this for decades?

Yeah I was being dumb. Ignore me.

 

[Maximilian]

Bring back Slot1, thats all i ask. That was the easiest thing to upgrade with, and was hasslefree to the user. I guess some technical hurdle made them abandon it?

But damn it, i loved it, i was like plugging in a SNES game.

It was a technical hurdle that caused them to use slots in the first place, it cost too much to put L2 cache on the CPU die but they could put it on a CPU "package" instead, which led to the slot thing. Faster than having the cache on the motherboard which is how it was before slots but still slower than having it directly on the die which is what we have now.

Ill miss X58, its been trouble free and fast as hell. R.I.P :rose:

 

[exar333]

Next month, my P6T will turn 3 years old. Been a great system, rock-solid, for three years now. X58 has been a great platform.

 

[Axon]

New intel power rankings:

1. 775
2. 1366

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every other socket

 

[IntelEnthusiast]

Socket 1366 isnt dead it will live on in all of our memories. Well at least for a while longer there will still be a socket 1366 in servers. Thanks guys for the kind words on this these dearly departed boards. I think before it is over that socket 1155 is going to be reaching up with the 775 and 1366 as far as great sockets go.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

 

[VirtualLarry]

Socket 1366 isnt dead it will live on in all of our memories. Well at least for a while longer there will still be a socket 1366 in servers. Thanks guys for the kind words on this these dearly departed boards. I think before it is over that socket 1155 is going to be reaching up with the 775 and 1366 as far as great sockets go.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

Socket 1155 rank up there with 775 and 1366? Yeah, sure, when pigs fly.

Let's look at this logically.

Overclocking:
775 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1366 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1155 - locked out, only way to overclock is to pay extra for a pricy "K" chip

Gaming, Crossfire:
775 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X48 chipset
1366 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X58 chipset
1155 - cannot support dual x16 PCI-E 2.0, because Intel gimped the number of PCI-E lanes, when they moved PCI-E on-die on the CPU.

Socket 1155 is a pale shadow of what 775 and 1366 are. Even AMD's AM3/AM3+ platform, as a platform, is much better than Intel's 1155 platform.

Edit: Perhaps I was a little bit harsh. In terms of longevity, if you can drop in an IB CPU later, then yes, it might be considered comparable to 775 (originally for newer Pentium 4 chips, and then they added the C2D to that socket).

And I guess, the fact that it doesn't cost too much more for a "K" chip is a factor. It really is (so I hear) nearly effortless to overclock a SB that was designed to be overclocked. The thing that really rubs me the wrong way, is that they aren't ALL overclockable, like CPUs used to be in the good old days. And the people that are saying, "oh, it's only $20 more for an unlocked CPU", are forgetting something - Intel's product tying, which prevents you from purchasing a cheaper chipset/motherboard, like an H61 or H67, to overclock that "unlocked" CPU. The truth is, BOTH the CPU and chipset are effectively locked, unless you pay extra for it. Intel's "overclocking tax" SUCKS. Give me a nice E5200 and an overclocking G31 motherboard any day. 50% more performance for FREE, YES PLEASE.

 

[Arg Clin]

Bring back Slot1, thats all i ask. That was the easiest thing to upgrade with, and was hasslefree to the user. I guess some technical hurdle made them abandon it?

But damn it, i loved it, i was like plugging in a SNES game.

He he.. slot 1/slot A -- those were the days

Try fitting a modern tower cooler weighing 700-800 g on a slot cpu though..

 

[Hulk]

Socket 1155 rank up there with 775 and 1366? Yeah, sure, when pigs fly.

Let's look at this logically.

Overclocking:
775 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1366 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1155 - locked out, only way to overclock is to pay extra for a pricy "K" chip

Gaming, Crossfire:
775 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X48 chipset
1366 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X58 chipset
1155 - cannot support dual x16 PCI-E 2.0, because Intel gimped the number of PCI-E lanes, when they moved PCI-E on-die on the CPU.

Socket 1155 is a pale shadow of what 775 and 1366 are. Even AMD's AM3/AM3+ platform, as a platform, is much better than Intel's 1155 platform.

I would rather have a locked motherboard (1155) and an unlocked chip rather than a locked chip and an unlocked motherboard (775). Overclocking (for me anyway) is much easier with 1155, simply upping the multi rules out so many other causes for failure when you have to tweak buss speeds it seems.

Again I'm not an expert overclocker, I started with the old Celeron 300A, but I'm just saying the 2500k overclocking experience has been the easiest by far that I've ever experienced. And since Intel is only charging about $20 for the unlocked chips it's basically a no brainer when there is so much headroom in these parts.

 

[podspi]

Socket 1155 rank up there with 775 and 1366? Yeah, sure, when pigs fly.

Let's look at this logically.

Overclocking:
775 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1366 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1155 - locked out, only way to overclock is to pay extra for a pricy "K" chip

Gaming, Crossfire:
775 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X48 chipset
1366 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X58 chipset
1155 - cannot support dual x16 PCI-E 2.0, because Intel gimped the number of PCI-E lanes, when they moved PCI-E on-die on the CPU.

Socket 1155 is a pale shadow of what 775 and 1366 are. Even AMD's AM3/AM3+ platform, as a platform, is much better than Intel's 1155 platform.

To be fair, 'K' models really aren't that much more expensive than the non-'K' versions, though I still think it is silly Intel put the gimped GPUs into the 'K' series (perhaps it was to cut down on heat/power use?).

 

[Piano Man]

Any Mobo that lets me take my $189 i7 920 (Love you, Microcenter) to a 58% OC on air gets my respect.

 

[Axon]

Socket 1366 isnt dead it will live on in all of our memories. Well at least for a while longer there will still be a socket 1366 in servers. Thanks guys for the kind words on this these dearly departed boards. I think before it is over that socket 1155 is going to be reaching up with the 775 and 1366 as far as great sockets go.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

1155 is a bittersweet one for me. It's the birth of the new era of overclocking and the death of the old. Love the CPUs, but I hate the PCI-E restrictions (though I can't say I really notice while gaming - it just bothers me on a "why is it like this" level).

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Socket 1155 rank up there with 775 and 1366? Yeah, sure, when pigs fly.

Let's look at this logically.

Overclocking:
775 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1366 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1155 - locked out, only way to overclock is to pay extra for a pricy "K" chip

Gaming, Crossfire:
775 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X48 chipset
1366 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X58 chipset
1155 - cannot support dual x16 PCI-E 2.0, because Intel gimped the number of PCI-E lanes, when they moved PCI-E on-die on the CPU.

Socket 1155 is a pale shadow of what 775 and 1366 are. Even AMD's AM3/AM3+ platform, as a platform, is much better than Intel's 1155 platform.

yes, lets look at it logically, the K series CPUs are only ~$20 more than the non K series (actually difference in prices on Newegg at the time of this post the price differences were only $10 and $15 between the 2500s and 2600s respectively). Of which the non-K series aren't completely locked out from overclocking as they can at least be pushed up to their turbo speeds. Of which even without overclocking its not like AMD has anything that is faster.

also, PCI-e bandwidth is still comfortably ahead of the curve, even for the vast majority of enthusiasts x8 + x8 limitation is more than enough as there really won't be many running setups great than dual GTX580s and most dual setups more likely running dual 6950s or less. Of which even if you do need more bandwidth, there are 1155 motherboards like the ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION that can add in PCI-e lanes for 2 x 16x or 4 x 8x

and when we consider the addition of SATA6 to intel's excellent SATA controller and features like SSD caching on Z68, sorry (actually no, I'm not), but I'm failing to see how 1155 is a disappointment

if I can drop in an Ivy Bridge CPU into my Z68 motherboard then yes, it will definitely be up there with 775 or 1366 even if it isn't as tweak-able, its still providing me industry leading performance and features for a very fair price

 

[Arachnotronic]

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate this.

Those articles are plain wrong, then. With X79, the PCI-E lanes are built onto the CPU, along with a bunch of other goodies. So it'd be impossible to run a current LGA 1366 chip on x79.

 

[Hulk]

To be fair, 'K' models really aren't that much more expensive than the non-'K' versions, though I still think it is silly Intel put the gimped GPUs into the 'K' series (perhaps it was to cut down on heat/power use?).

Actually the "gimped" (weaker) GPU are in the non-k chips.

 

[MrTransistorm]

Those articles are plain wrong, then. With X79, the PCI-E lanes are built onto the CPU, along with a bunch of other goodies. So it'd be impossible to run a current LGA 1366 chip on x79.

Well, there was this weird, conceptual hybrid board. So it may be possible for s1366 to mate with X79, but kinda pointless because X79 doesn't offer a whole lot over X58 anyway.

 

[RobertPters77]

Nehelam you will be missed.

 

[aigomorla]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh..

seriously guys.. i havent had as long of a run on a single cpu as the one im on right now..

The X58 will be missed... it was a great and solid board... set a lot of new records which are still being held on the X58.
Its the board where i introduced full board blocks into our watercooling hobby, and marked a standard in how we watercool motherboards..

It was a strong platform... the real platform over 1156 in most cases...

 

[PCboy]

New intel power rankings:

1. 775
2. 1366

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every other socket

QFT. 775 was a beast.

 

[Rubycon]

QFT. 775 was a beast.

We're comparing chipsets not sockets.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Socket 1366 isnt dead it will live on in all of our memories. Well at least for a while longer there will still be a socket 1366 in servers. Thanks guys for the kind words on this these dearly departed boards. I think before it is over that socket 1155 is going to be reaching up with the 775 and 1366 as far as great sockets go.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

+1 to that.

Socket 1155 rank up there with 775 and 1366? Yeah, sure, when pigs fly.

Let's look at this logically.

Overclocking:
775 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1366 - supported, even with the lowest-end chips, any chip could overclock
1155 - locked out, only way to overclock is to pay extra for a pricy "K" chip

Gaming, Crossfire:
775 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X48 chipset
1366 - supports dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 with X58 chipset
1155 - cannot support dual x16 PCI-E 2.0, because Intel gimped the number of PCI-E lanes, when they moved PCI-E on-die on the CPU.

Socket 1155 is a pale shadow of what 775 and 1366 are. Even AMD's AM3/AM3+ platform, as a platform, is much better than Intel's 1155 platform.

Edit: Perhaps I was a little bit harsh. In terms of longevity, if you can drop in an IB CPU later, then yes, it might be considered comparable to 775 (originally for newer Pentium 4 chips, and then they added the C2D to that socket).

Point 1: Overclocking? Surely you jest. And Intel bent over backwards to have fairly priced K chips. Sense of entitlement, anyone?
Point 2: AM3/AM3+ eats LGA 1155's dust in performance, which is what counts over anything else. Period. There is no dispute.
Point 3: Right about the 2x PCI-E 16, but since I don't care about spending $1000 for two overpriced video cards when playing games is not exactly a priority, this is irrelevant for me (as I suspect it is for most people). Also bear in mind that most LGA 775 boards never supported 2x16 PCI-E lanes. 775 was extremely long-lived because of a smart design, but many older 775 P4 systems could never run C2D either.

 

[aigomorla]

lulz..

the ultimate failure socket 423

The socket was short-lived, as it became apparent that its electrical design proved inadequate for raising clock speed beyond 2.0 GHz. Intel produced chips using this socket for less than a year, from November 2000 to August 2001. It was replaced by Socket 478.

Then followed by socket 1156!!!! <--- doesnt that sound like a repeat of an OOPS?




intel has its share of mistakes guys... no one is perfect.