End of XP support Q&A page on Newegg

[seepy83]

Repeat after me: "I will not engage in a conversation about the security of an End Of Life Operating System until I have a complete understanding of what a 0-Day vulnerability is."

 

[escrow4]

I dare you to try and specify any proof of what you just said LoL


again I dare you to specify anything. I've seen just about every OS out there, besides the visual GUI appearance of win7, what again do you say it magically does for you, that no other OS's can do?... Besides DX11. and wasting about 10x more HDD space?

saddly i feel like i have to specifiy this now not cause of you, but cause of responses like yours in effect making me point out how dumb your blanket nonsense remarks sound, i feel not only is the point being lost in the nonsense. but for anyone seeing the length of this topic is more likely to miss interperet my responses not in the defense of common sense trying to untwist your demented logic, but simply as an XP fanboy. which i am not. I've seen almost every type of OS out there(except those b4 i was born or of age). And with what I've seen, if you don't have a purpose to upgrade and your choosing to do so only because of microsoft ending patches for xp(which is actually doing you a favor) , and you want to throw your cash at something...

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You really are ignorant. The benefits of 8.1, forget 7:

- Massive security improvements, start with UAC, then move to big improvements in the heap, ASLR, DEP, secure boot, and other changes to the actual guts of the kernel. XP was born when DVD was new. When the internet was growing, it is not built to survive in 2014. April will be the equivalent of D Day Normandy.

-DX 11.1/2 accelerated everything if possible to speed everything up (and 8 uses the both the CPU and GPU), big fat user driver improvements continued and enhanced from 7 so if something (i.e. driver) falls over it won't bring down the entire OS. Added bits and pieces - Storage Spaces, the new task manager, native .iso mounting, 8.1 actually works with USB 3 properly (>100MB/s transfers on a decent HDD).

Then you keep on ignoring the fact that XP still has close to 30% usage. THIRTY. And it will not be supported anymore in two months. It will not fade. It will be exploited and ripped apart. It will be a huge mess.

Some links:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/15/protecting-you-from-malware.aspx

http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-comes-with-security-improvements-to-protect-you-from-malware/

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/jj983723.aspx

Go on, keep using a decrepit dog of an OS that is THIRTEEN years old. You'll experience first hand what happens.

 

[B-Riz]

I dare you to try and specify any proof of what you just said LoL



again I dare you to specify anything. I've seen just about every OS out there, besides the visual GUI appearance of win7, what again do you say it magically does for you, that no other OS's can do?... Besides DX11. and wasting about 10x more HDD space?

saddly i feel like i have to specifiy this now not cause of you, but cause of responses like yours in effect making me point out how dumb your blanket nonsense remarks sound, i feel not only is the point being lost in the nonsense. but for anyone seeing the length of this topic is more likely to miss interperet my responses not in the defense of common sense trying to untwist your demented logic, but simply as an XP fanboy. which i am not. I've seen almost every type of OS out there(except those b4 i was born or of age). And with what I've seen, if you don't have a purpose to upgrade and your choosing to do so only because of microsoft ending patches for xp(which is actually doing you a favor) , and you want to throw your cash at something...

...I would hands down highly recommend those to just get a Mac (ofcourse ignoring those who want to use DX11 games, because those ppl are not in this topic seeing as they have already upgraded or choosen to upgrade because of GAMES not MS EOL of XP)

...now i will sit back and laugh, simply that.. as baboons throw nonsensical argument toward the second most logical solution for this microsoft circus



very very interesting.. your disability doesn't allow you to be able to read any preceding responses to a topic yet you still have enough cognitive ability to type. I'd suggest if your not already at to apply with a university that holds a prominent medical program, with such a distinct disability im sure professors there would give you full grant sponsorship in exchange for participation as there research subject. oh darn thats right, your not able to read responses. INVU, everyday must be a ball for you living in ignorant bliss

Are you trolling us?

Oh my, look at this article I found about Windows 7 kernel improvements from the folks that did the bloody work on it.

http://betanews.com/2009/11/17/pdc-...of-vista-architecture-for-a-faster-windows-7/

Basic functionality of Windows stays the same, but at every release, things large and small, get improved upon.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/

And being that the operating systems are generally tied to the hardware for coroporate computer purchases, XP was stuck on a box that needed replaced, and hey, guess what, the Win 7 replacement has more RAM, that can be used by the 64 bit OS and lets me have more programs open and is vastly more stable than XP.

XP is / was great for a 32-bit OS, but 7 has ushered in 64 bit on a massive scale, along with allowing the use of 64 bit programs and the benefits of being able to address more memory.

 

[escrow4]

Are you trolling us?

Oh my, look at this article I found about Windows 7 kernel improvements from the folks that did the bloody work on it.

http://betanews.com/2009/11/17/pdc-...of-vista-architecture-for-a-faster-windows-7/

Basic functionality of Windows stays the same, but at every release, things large and small, get improved upon.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/

And being that the operating systems are generally tied to the hardware for coroporate computer purchases, XP was stuck on a box that needed replaced, and hey, guess what, the Win 7 replacement has more RAM, that can be used by the 64 bit OS and lets me have more programs open and is vastly more stable than XP.

XP is / was great for a 32-bit OS, but 7 has ushered in 64 bit on a massive scale, along with allowing the use of 64 bit programs and the benefits of being able to address more memory.

What are you gibbering on about? Your response is an article from 2009 and some random muttering?

 

[Morbus]

People, all around the world, while having absolutely no idea of what they're talking about, and having done ABSOLUTELY NO RESEARCH whatsoever on a given subject, feel entitled to discuss it with other people who, coincidentally, also have no idea of what they're talking about. Sometimes someone appears that knows a bit more, but they usually don't.

The levels of fail are too damn high!

Seriously, if you're still using XP in this day and age, it's either because you're at least one of four things:
- the owner of an old computer who is just waiting to upgrade by the time April comes
- someone who doesn't have an internet connection
- computer illiterate
- a complete and utter imbecile

There is no argument to be had. If you you disagree, check the fourth item on the list.

And if you're using XP by this April, have fun and enjoy the cyber-rape. I sure will enjoy reading the news about how thousands of people loose their data or worse, and reading all the threads about XP users going crazy. It's gonna be Christmas in April!

 

[Remobz]

People, all around the world, while having absolutely no idea of what they're talking about, and having done ABSOLUTELY NO RESEARCH whatsoever on a given subject, feel entitled to discuss it with other people who, coincidentally, also have no idea of what they're talking about. Sometimes someone appears that knows a bit more, but they usually don't.

The levels of fail are too damn high!

Seriously, if you're still using XP in this day and age, it's either because you're at least one of four things:
- the owner of an old computer who is just waiting to upgrade by the time April comes
- someone who doesn't have an internet connection
- computer illiterate
- a complete and utter imbecile

There is no argument to be had. If you you disagree, check the fourth item on the list.

And if you're using XP by this April, have fun and enjoy the cyber-rape. I sure will enjoy reading the news about how thousands of people loose their data or worse, and reading all the threads about XP users going crazy. It's gonna be Christmas in April!

Only my work computer had Windows XP pro and I recently transferred my work to new p c with Windows 7 pro OS. Loving Windows 7 now and I will never go back to XP. Windows XP has officially died for me one month ago.

 

[ninaholic37]

And if you're using XP by this April, have fun and enjoy the cyber-rape. I sure will enjoy reading the news about how thousands of people loose their data or worse, and reading all the threads about XP users going crazy. It's gonna be Christmas in April!

There will always be viruses/malware on Windows, regardless of what version you use. Anyone who cares (and is doing things that could exploit their system) can use anti-virus / sandbox etc.

@VirtualLarry: I'm guessing you used IE/Java/Adobe/Office or clicked on random exe to get porno virus? Tell us more :awe: :biggrin:

 

[jolancer]

You really are ignorant. The benefits of 8.1, forget 7

such a bad argument i wish ZERO-DAY were already here and worse than any of your paranoid delusion can imagine, so my comp could of exploded and burned my eyes out b4 reading that.

for those fear driven to upgrade: GET A MAC

worst comes to worst and MAC makes mistake after mistake after mistake at least you will still be on a platform generations ahead in stability than Mircosoft, especialy with Microsofts new Mcdonalds or GM style marketing model, quantity over quality

- computer illiterate

[-computer illiterate] < This is the majority.

IF you are not -computer illiterate, you will be using any OS, Linux, PC, OSx and the topic is moot

you wan't a universal recomendation, even for those needlessly to upgrade because they don't do anything worth a damn on there pc, or there behavior risk factors are nill, or there computer illiterate but have the common sense to simple create a backup ..

.. GET A MAC

 

[VirtualLarry]

@VirtualLarry: I'm guessing you used IE/Java/Adobe/Office or clicked on random exe to get porno virus? Tell us more :awe: :biggrin:

I used IE on that computer. As it turns out, "Help and Support" has IE integration, in the form of a namespace (like "http:"). So all they needed to do to exploit it, was to use a specially-formed URL, that's all. No ActiveX, no JavaScript, nothing.

I don't know if Firefox also supported the system URL namespaces or not.

It was pretty frightening, watching your box getting severely 0wned in real-time. (Command-prompt windows opening left and right, etc.)

I was NOT using SRP or a limited-user account, either, btw. (This is the case with nearly 99.999% of XP users.) Given the way in which the exploit functioned, I'm not certain that they would have protected me all that much.

 

[escrow4]

such a bad argument i wish ZERO-DAY were already here and worse than any of your paranoid delusion can imagine, so my comp could of exploded and burned my eyes out b4 reading that.

for those fear driven to upgrade: GET A MAC

worst comes to worst and MAC makes mistake after mistake after mistake at least you will still be on a platform generations ahead in stability than Mircosoft, especialy with Microsofts new Mcdonalds or GM style marketing model, quantity over quality



[-computer illiterate] < This is the majority.

IF you are not -computer illiterate, you will be using any OS, Linux, PC, OSx and the topic is moot

you wan't a universal recomendation, even for those needlessly to upgrade because they don't do anything worth a damn on there pc, or there behavior risk factors are nill, or there computer illiterate but have the common sense to simple create a backup ..

.. GET A MAC

What does Apple have to do with anything? You must be deluded, ignoring everything anyone is saying here. And Mac's are from stable and secure anymore. Once again, google it.

 

[pmv]

I still have an old PC running win 98.....

I have one dual-booting in windows 98 and Ubuntu.
I wouldn't dream of connecting it to the net in the former mode though! Don't think it even has the drivers to recognise the wifi anyway.

 

[ninaholic37]

I used IE on that computer. As it turns out, "Help and Support" has IE integration, in the form of a namespace (like "http:"). So all they needed to do to exploit it, was to use a specially-formed URL, that's all. No ActiveX, no JavaScript, nothing.

I don't know if Firefox also supported the system URL namespaces or not.

It was pretty frightening, watching your box getting severely 0wned in real-time. (Command-prompt windows opening left and right, etc.)

I was NOT using SRP or a limited-user account, either, btw. (This is the case with nearly 99.999% of XP users.) Given the way in which the exploit functioned, I'm not certain that they would have protected me all that much.

Yes! I noticed the same thing before too, I disabled Internet Explorer in "Add/Remove Windows Components" and IE still opened when clicking on a help link (even though my Programs/Internet Explorer folder was empty - lol). I believe this happened to me in Windows 7. Definitely surprised me too. I had to change my default browser to avoid it I think. I think you can disable Help and Support in msconfig too (not sure if it works).

 

[pmv]

There is no real excuse not to be using one of the many newer operating systems nowadays IMHO.

.

What about the Voyager probes? How are they supposed to update them, eh?
(apparently they run a custom-written OS from JPL). I reckon they have a pretty good excuse, what with only having 500k of memory, for one thing.

Really, if its not on the net then I see no urgent need to upgrade. I've converted a few elderly relatives' machines to linux - crossing my fingers as to how that will go.

 

[pmv]

I don't think it will be Armageddon the day after EOS. But it does seem to me that hackers and n'er-do-wells will be able to reverse-engineer updates for other Windows O/Ss to get a good clue as to what will now work with XP.

And good user habits will help, but if persons unknown were able to release a trojan that screwed up the Iranian nuclear program by means of zero-day exploits, surely nobody will now be safe?

I really think people should now move away from XP as soon as they can, _if_ the machine isn't completely stand-alone.

 

[nemesismk2]

You really are ignorant. The benefits of 8.1, forget 7:
Then you keep on ignoring the fact that XP still has close to 30% usage. THIRTY. And it will not be supported anymore in two months. It will not fade. It will be exploited and ripped apart. It will be a huge mess.

I have seen various sites saying that the users with Windows XP is increasing and not decreasing like Microsoft would like.

 

[nemesismk2]

I just don't get all these doom sayers because i was online when Windows 98 SE reached it's end of support and that was a popular operating system lol. I had the best anti virus with firewall and i didn't have any problems at all.

 

[Morbus]

There will always be viruses/malware on Windows

No, there won't. Not like Windows XP is getting now and CERTAINLY not like it will get after April. So, again, no, there won't "always" be viruses/malware on Windows.

Since you're putting it in those terms.

Anyone who cares (and is doing things that could exploit their system) can use anti-virus / sandbox etc.

Anyone who cares will not use Windows XP. Draconian "fixes" like sandboxing the browser will be less than properly effective, and anti-virus ARE powerless against a multitude of attacks, today and on any system, so they are never a replacement for a good OS security architecture, and are definitely no help against 0-day exploits.

@VirtualLarry: I'm guessing you used IE/Java/Adobe/Office or clicked on random exe to get porno virus? Tell us more :awe: :biggrin:

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise if you think the only way you can get your machine compromised is through shady websites...

 

[Morbus]

worst comes to worst and MAC makes mistake after mistake after mistake at least you will still be on a platform generations ahead in stability than Mircosoft, especialy with Microsofts new Mcdonalds or GM style marketing model, quantity over quality

In my personal experience, which isn't saying that much TBH, a properly maintained Windows 7 is more stable than Mac OS...

[-computer illiterate] < This is the majority.

Of course.

.. GET A MAC

Or, for the same money, buy a PC that's just as powerful, if not power, a smartphone and a tablet!

I don't think a Mac is the best solution for people that need their money for other things...

 

[ninaholic37]

snip

Yes, that was already part of the "etc." in my post (Linux, ChromeOS, MacOS, etc.)

 

[jolancer]

if persons unknown were able to release a trojan that screwed up the Iranian nuclear program

that was awesome, but less mysterious after seeing the report of how they did it. part of which requiring an inside agent/mole to actually figure out which systems to target.
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Not like Windows XP.. no, there won't "always" be viruses/malware on Windows.

made practical sense untill "won't be malware on future windows"... LOL windows is shipped with OEM malware. Besides the fact it makes nosense hackers would give up and find new jobs, seeing due to inflation and overpopulation, even in thriving economies, the global economy will always get worse causing more people to turn to such behavior as hacking. I fail to connect how upgrading windows versions, solve inflation/flawed bureaucratic buissness models/overpopulation/poverty/etc.

Anyone who cares will not use Windows XP. Draconian "fixes" like sandboxing the browser will be less than properly effective

I don't think the majority cares at all, seeing as thy wouldn't care of dieing from cancer/aids/etc. offtopic but related iv seen people post suggestions of using sandbox/vmware for important online tasks in upgrades systems post XP, not that i agree if its necessary or not but only agree with the hole concept behind it that microsoft is doing Nothing to protect you before the fact, no matter the version of OS.

Oh boy, are you in for a surprise if you think the only way you can get your machine compromised is through shady websites...

Its possible your system could be compromised when turned OFF by a meth addict running there car through your living room, or a meteor strike, etc. however just as improbably one would think by being compromised through a legit site IF your using something like NoScript, to avoid probs IF there domain got jacked or something.. which is not a prevelant occurance in the first place. now how is this relating to the OS again without having any relevance to the actual interface of the site?your webbrowser?
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In my personal experience, which isn't saying that much TBH, a properly maintained Windows 7 is more stable than Mac OS...

I see it this way, MAC similar to Linux except they have done all the work for the person. using OSx on a hackintosh would probably be equal to stablizing linux dependancies on your system.. I didn't say try installing OSx on your hardware, I said get a Mac. There OS may not be more stable on random hardware, but is there product and support superior to windows for basic users who don't want to fuss around have to tinker to get things working right and have to figure out every month which patch update broke there OS?

and the added benefit of them having MAC multimedia software, since one of the few extra extracurricular activities the majority may use it for past simple web/email, is basic photo/video crap for there social networking addiction.

Or, for the same money, buy a PC that's just as powerful, if not power, a smartphone and a tablet!

upgrading to another pc for the reason of this topic is like a merry-go-round. I don't comment on tablets vs comps thats a personal choice for your tasks, however you definitly don't avoid security issues with tablets and such so that decision should be aside from security topic, unless more specified.

I don't think a Mac is the best solution for people that need their money for other things...

...neither is upgrading for no reason. Thats the hole point if your going to spend for the sake of nonsense, making it worth while is less of a waist in the long run.

..like upgrading from a fordexploder or a crapalier to another ford or gm simply because you got a flat tier, or its past its warranty policy. At least if you buy a toyota your not only putting your waisted money toward a worth while product, but also avoiding supporting a company that screws over others.

 

[Morbus]

I fail to connect how upgrading windows versions, solve inflation/flawed bureaucratic buissness models/overpopulation/poverty/etc.

That's far from your only failure, if you don't mind me saying.

Ditching XP will be a boon for all buissness (sic) models that require the internet, if only because there will be less hacking and spam as a result. XP is much more vulnerable to hacking attempts and it facilitates the propagation of botnets and spam networks, and, as such, increases the overall danger of browsing the internet. In other words, XP machines may be sending out email in spades without the owner even noticing, all because they're machine is infected.

I don't think the majority cares at all, seeing as thy wouldn't care of dieing from cancer/aids/etc. offtopic but related iv seen people post suggestions of using sandbox/vmware for important online tasks in upgrades systems post XP, not that i agree if its necessary or not but only agree with the hole concept behind it that microsoft is doing Nothing to protect you before the fact, no matter the version of OS.

Well, that's just a lie.

Its possible your system could be compromised when turned OFF by a meth addict running there car through your living room, or a meteor strike, etc. however just as improbably one would think by being compromised through a legit site IF your using something like NoScript, to avoid probs IF there domain got jacked or something.. which is not a prevelant occurance in the first place. now how is this relating to the OS again without having any relevance to the actual interface of the site?your webbrowser?

You know full well compromised systems are usually owned by computer illiterates. Coincidentally, those who think it's ok to run XP in this day and age are also, most of the time, computer illiterates.

I didn't say try installing OSx on your hardware, I said get a Mac.

Neither did I.

upgrading to another pc for the reason of this topic is like a merry-go-round.

Far from it. To many people who are not willing to learn Linux, it's probably the only sane alternative.

...neither is upgrading for no reason.

No reason? You must be confused. Last time I checked, the only REAL reason to upgrade is when the software you use isn't running well (or at all) in your current machine. You don't expect people with old Pentium 4s and Athlon XPs to crap Windows 7 into their machines and run with it, do you? They either install a lightweight Linux distro or they upgrade. Not for no reason: because the software they run doesn't work on their systems.

spend for the sake of nonsense

Let me also remind you that security isn't nonsense. Plenty of people ditch their perfectly working 15 year old car for a newer model for safety reasons.

..like upgrading from a fordexploder or a crapalier to another ford or gm simply because you got a flat tier, or its past its warranty policy. At least if you buy a toyota your not only putting your waisted money toward a worth while product, but also avoiding supporting a company that screws over others.

You're english is not very good, I don't understand half the stuff you said.

Windows XP doesn't have a flat tire: it has the roof full of holes and 3 of the wheels are missing.

 

[ViRGE]

As a point of public order, jolancer has been thrown out of this thread (and put on vacation) for repeated personal attacks. As such I'd ask that the rest of you please re-focus on the subject at hand, since we've gotten somewhat off-topic and overly hostile here.

-Thanks
ViRGE

 

[Mem]

As a point of public order, jolancer has been thrown out of this thread (and put on vacation) for repeated personal attacks. As such I'd ask that the rest of you please re-focus on the subject at hand, since we've gotten somewhat off-topic and overly hostile here.

-Thanks
ViRGE

As always you are the voice of reason around here ,getting back on topic looks like Microsoft are trying to push XP users to Win8.1 via their springboard insider email ,quote below,

Welcome to February&#8217;s of the Springboard Series Insider. We are now a month into 2014 and the end is almost here; there are just over 60 days until Windows XP will reach end of support on April 8th, 2014. Hopefully you have already completed your migration. If not, then we have some useful resources for you in this month&#8217;s newsletter including tips on how to use the User State Migration Tool migrate your systems from Windows XP to Windows 8.1.

If your biggest obstacle in moving to Windows 8.1 is preparing your end users for the change, then make sure you check out this month&#8217;s New Resources section for information on the variety of business user readiness resources now available. From quick guides to how-to videos, these materials are just the first installment of what we are creating to help our friends in IT departments everywhere communicate and educate their users about the Windows 8.1 experience.

We also know that oftentimes when deploying a new operating system, you are also deploying a new version of Microsoft Office. As a result, this month our longtime friend and deployment expert Jeremy Chapman, now of Office and The Garage Series fame, details all you need to know about how Office 365 ProPlus Click-to-Run works and how to install it using automation.


NEW RESOURCES

Windows 8.1 End User Readiness Materials
Check out the first installment of guides and tutorials to help you familiarize your users with both the basic and advanced features and capabilities of Windows 8.1. Materials now available include the Windows 8.1 Quick Guide for Business and the Windows 8.1 Power User Guide for Business in addition to a series of how-to video tutorials covering the following topics:

&#8226; Meet the new Windows &#8226; Get around faster with the charms &#8226; Your familiar desktop, only better &#8226; Make Windows all about you &#8226; Quick link menu and File Explorer &#8226; Taskbar, multiple monitors, Task Manager &#8226; Internet Explorer 11 &#8226; Exploring PC settings

Windows 8.1 Deployment Guides for Education
Looking for guidance on how to deploy Windows 8.1 in an academic environment? Look no further than this newly updated series of step-by-step guides:

&#8226; Windows 8.1 Deployment Planning &#8226; Windows 8.1 Deployment to PCs &#8226; Deploying Windows RT 8.1 &#8226; BYOD Devices &#8226; Virtual Desktop Infrastructure &#8226; Windows Store Apps &#8226; Windows To Go

App-V 5 SP2 Application Publishing and Client Interaction Guide
Designed to help both new and experienced users of Microsoft Application Virtualization (App-V) gain a better understanding of how the App-V 5.0 Service Pack 2 (SP2) Client processes packages and presents them to users, this guide provides details around typical client operations with important locations for data storage, how the publishing refresh process works, and the available integration points with the local operating system. WINDOWS TIP OF THE MONTH

Use the User State Migration Tool

When migrating from Windows XP to Windows 8.1, the User State Migration Tool (USMT) can be your best friend. The USMT automates the process of migrating user data during deployment; however, there are some key tips you should know when migrating from Windows XP.

The version of USMT that comes with the Windows Assessment and Deployment Kit (Windows ADK) for Windows 8.1 does not support Windows XP. Fortunately, there is a way to work around this: use the version of USMT included in the Windows ADK for Windows 8 to capture the user data and then restore the data using the newer version of USMT included with the Windows ADK for Windows 8.1.

The next obvious questions is, "How can I make this work with the deployment tools that I am currently using?" Luckily, deployment guru Michael Niehaus and the System Center Configuration Manager team have created detailed blog posts on how to do exactly this using the Microsoft Deployment Toolkit or Configuration Manager.

Lots of info there.

 

[B-Riz]

I don't understand why MS doesn't drop the price for an 8.1 copy, I'm sure quite a few XP boxes are capable of running newer Windows.

I have an XP box that can run 7 or 8.1, but have not felt like spending ~ $100 for 8.1, not because I dislike 8.1.

 

[Mem]

I don't understand why MS doesn't drop the price for an 8.1 copy, I'm sure quite a few XP boxes are capable of running newer Windows.

I have an XP box that can run 7 or 8.1, but have not felt like spending ~ $100 for 8.1, not because I dislike 8.1.

I purchased two Win8 keys from Microsoft for £15(for my laptop) and £25(main PC) when it was first released,they were very good purchases at that price,yes it would be a good idea if Microsoft did that for XP users maybe a two to four week period at a reduced price.