Some unions do protect unfit workers.
You can change regulations on unions to marginalize that risk.
That's like saying we don't need cars because car accidents kill people.
Unions also protect lazy, incompetent, and unproductive workers.
Phokus, why can't we talk about multiple problems? Like I said, I fail to see the issue with that. I'm not disagreeing with you on those points, I actually fully agree with you, but it doesn't mean there aren't other problems we too can address.
Because, even IF unions areE a problem, at best they're like a dog pooping on your lawn. Wall street is like the guy fucking your girlfriend, setting your house on fire, then repeatedly punching you in your face.
I still don't want that dog shitting on my goddamn lawn. My only gripe is the extra regulation that has been stacked on over the years to put unions on "equal" footing with corps, when in actuality it isn't needed at all. Simply having the feds enforce and back our 1st amendment rights would be sufficient. All I want to do is get rid of needless legislation and bureaucracy.
I think that would be beneficial to us all, but it is by no means a solution to all of our problems or even to what truly ails us.
lol, such a good little union fluffing thug...
Where did you get this weird term "union fluffing"? Rush? Glen Beck?
Oh sure, unions used to have a place but they've become what they used to fight against. They are now worthless except as a means for people to extort wealth from others. But for some reason people still think they need to pay for this "protection"... must be weak...
Unions also protect lazy, incompetent, and unproductive workers.
Why do you keep worrying about fucking unions, you and the corporations you cheerlead have won, you effectively fucked them and the middle class in the ass, union participation rates are low compared to decades ago. WE'VE COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT WALL STREET.
ooops I said in the gun thread that I would refrain from using semantics in a argument until i found a right winger doing the same. Damn that only last 2 hours.
well wait.
Whats the difference between you all saying unions are bad because of lazy workers and me saying gun laws should be tight because some people will gun down the wrong people. Arent these inherently the same arguement?
So you're completely incapable of caring more than one train of thought or looking at more than one problem at once? No wonder you spout so much hate about the American people having the attention spans of 14 yr olds with ADD, you're one yourself. Also, I don't cheerlead for anyone besides myself.
Where did you get this weird term "union fluffing"? Rush? Glen Beck?
It's becoming clearer the dysfuncitonal thinking behind the right here who are supporting union busting, it's just delusional hate for the workers.
That's all.
They want to gut the benefits and pay for these people - return to the robber baron days - a sort of insanity, irrational.
They have as much business voting on issues as alcoholics do on 'free government booze'.
Rational people have a hard time accepting how irrational these people are, so keep trying to argue logically with them, wasting everyone's time.
You can rationally understand the dysfunction of a white supremacist, how it's his own problems creating hate for another group, but knowing that and persuading the supremacist are two different things. You need some sort of de-programming workshop to do much or you'll just get 'N***** lover' spat in your face just as you get 'Union lover' spat in your face here.
All this discussion is getting is anecdotes to justify the hate - 'I heard about a lazy worker!' just like the anecdotes used to justify race hate - I heard about a [race] criminal!'
These are irrational people who have no idea who is actually screwing them, as they dance on the strings they put on, dangled by the propagandists for the right.
Hate the unions! Hate the liberals! Hate the environmentalists!
They're out to take your money! Oppose them! Don't look too close at the right's con men!
Rational people have a hard time accepting how irrational these people are, so keep trying to argue logically with them, wasting everyone's time.
So now you're opposed to capitalism and corporations?
isnt it great. We sit here arguing about unions and gun control while they slowly fuck us out of everything.
Who is they?
I guess that would depend on ones perspective.
No, because Unions really aren't the problem you're making it out to be, it's a fucking Red Herring. What part of 'union participation is really really low' don't you seem to understand?
You don't need to end the Unions. They have been driving themselves out of business for years. It is just boiling up to a head now as they have priced themselves out of the market.