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Lifer
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The problem isn't that unions exist, it's that our government up and above enforcing the 1st amendment rights of its citizens and wrote extra legislation bolstering them. Nothing besides the 1st amendment is needed for the protection of unions, we just need to make sure the federal government enforces it.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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middle class = privileged class

hahahah. Keep it up and I may make some real money.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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middle class = privileged class

hahahah. Keep it up and I may make some real money.

Yeah seriously. Billionaire banksters are the poor and downtrodden that needs a helping hand. Whining about public unions is fucking stupid when it's wall street that's going to destroy this country. The credit ratings agencies are already rating wall street firms on the assumption of 'perpetual bailouts'. 100% of our anger and fury should be directed at them before we even talk about unions. Fuck this shit.
 

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Lifer
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Yeah seriously. Billionaire banksters are the poor and downtrodden that needs a helping hand. Whining about public unions is fucking stupid when it's wall street that's going to destroy this country. The credit ratings agencies are already rating wall street firms on the assumption of 'perpetual bailouts'. 100% of our anger and fury should be directed at them before we even talk about unions. Fuck this shit.

why can't we discuss all potential issues? I see no reason why we can't tackle multiple issues at once. This is America goddamnit, we can do whatever the fuck we put our minds to.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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why can't we discuss all potential issues? I see no reason why we can't tackle multiple issues at once. This is America goddamnit, we can do whatever the fuck we put our minds to.

Because wall street is public enemy #1 and we've already fucking forgot about them? Unions have hardly any power or leverage, while wall street has a gun to every American's head by having the ability to take the whole global economic system down unless we do what they tell them. They need to be regulated a new asshole and the financial execs need to start going to jail. THEY CONTROL OUR POLICE (i.e. the SEC) for God's sakes. They're like the Mexican drug cartels who have the Mexican police/politicians by the balls, of course they're more urgent than unions.
 

bfdd

Lifer
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I haven't forgot about wall street, but I believe them and our current government which caters to them are the #1 enemy, not just wall street solely. Like I said, I'm not against going after them I'm just curious why discussing other issues and potentially tackling those at the same time is off the table? I mean we have quite a few reps, quite a few senators and the president has a whole team of people who work are supposed to work on these issues.

I mean would you have preferred my way of dealing with things and saying "fuck you wall street" and letting the entire economy collapse? People would be a lot more pissed at the assholes who made billions off it than they are now.
 

Phokus

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I haven't forgot about wall street, but I believe them and our current government which caters to them are the #1 enemy, not just wall street solely. Like I said, I'm not against going after them I'm just curious why discussing other issues and potentially tackling those at the same time is off the table? I mean we have quite a few reps, quite a few senators and the president has a whole team of people who work are supposed to work on these issues.

I mean would you have preferred my way of dealing with things and saying "fuck you wall street" and letting the entire economy collapse? People would be a lot more pissed at the assholes who made billions off it than they are now.

Because your average American has the attention span of a hormone enraged 14 year old afflicted with ADD. Union membership has been destroyed in this country and keeps going down, how much more do you want to destroy the middle class? The middle class has NO power while Wall Street holds all the cards.

Actually, no i wouldn't have preferred your way. My way would NOT have been bailouts but temporary nationalization of the banks, heavy regulation (like they have in Canada), and mass criminal charges against the banksters (maybe with GITMO, waterboarding, and firing squads thrown in). Your way would have led to some sort of Mad Max post apocalyptic scenario.
 

bfdd

Lifer
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You think it would have, I tend to think it wouldn't have and even if it did I'm ok with it. BTW I'm not saying unions are a big problem, my biggest position on them is that they don't need extra government regulation outside of the 1st amendment to protect them. Anything else is bullshit stacked on top.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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You think it would have, I tend to think it wouldn't have and even if it did I'm ok with it. BTW I'm not saying unions are a big problem, my biggest position on them is that they don't need extra government regulation outside of the 1st amendment to protect them. Anything else is bullshit stacked on top.

Uh yes, it would have destroyed the world economy. Companies would not have been able to even make payroll, lending would have ceased, liquidity nonexistent. I don't know about you, but i'm not thrilled with the prospect of the grid going down and looting/murder/raping to be a commonplace occurrence.

You might as well say you want unions to go away if they only have the '1st amendment' to go on. Unions have little to no leverage. Private Unions have already been decimated.
 

bfdd

Lifer
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Uh yes, it would have destroyed the world economy. Companies would not have been able to even make payroll, lending would have ceased, liquidity nonexistent. I don't know about you, but i'm not thrilled with the prospect of the grid going down and looting/murder/raping to be a commonplace occurrence.

You might as well say you want unions to go away if they only have the '1st amendment' to go on. Unions have little to no leverage. Private Unions have already been decimated.

Oh noes the US dollar would have been worthless, what ever shall we have done? The world has switched reserve currencies before, it has entertained the thought in relatively recent years and who's to say a complete restructuring of the way our national banking and currency system wouldn't have been a good thing? I don't deny that the out come could have been terrible, but I must have a higher opinion of us humans than most.
 

Darwin333

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Shocking, a Republican strategist puts out propaganda against unions.

Yes now that workers are the dominant power in the country, who needs unions?

For the last few decades, worker income has gone up far faster than than of the billionares, and unemployment is at a low point. Time for a shift to the rich.

It's sad some people fall for this crap, not understanding the role unions play - imperfect as they are - in giving workers some power against the corporations.

As for their funding democrats - unions are a David to the Republicans' corporate Goliaths, now unleashed by the Supreme Court to give unlimited amounts in elections.

In the last election, most top givers were corporate donations, 93% of the Chamber of Commerce went to Republicans.

This is nothing but partisan political attacking against Democrats' funding.

I'm looking for one word in this Republican's oh so concerned for society article against the corruption of the corporatocracy, against the Wall Stree too big too fail - not a word.

This guy is just the sort of poster child for the forces that are destroying the country - a hired hand propagandist to get the people to vote against their own interest.

Fact is, unions not only protect their own workers, the things they get raise the compensation for non-union workers as well. If you like the third world, listen to McKinnon.

State does not equal corporation.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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Oh noes the US dollar would have been worthless, what ever shall we have done? The world has switched reserve currencies before, it has entertained the thought in relatively recent years and who's to say a complete restructuring of the way our national banking and currency system wouldn't have been a good thing? I don't deny that the out come could have been terrible, but I must have a higher opinion of us humans than most.

The outcome would have been extremely terrible. We're talking about the ability to pay employees. If nobody gets paid, nobody has an incentive to work. That's extremely risky. I'm all for restructuring how we do banking, but it has to be in an orderly fashion.
 

Fandango21

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A minimum wage. A set total number of hours people can be forced to work. NO child labor. Thank you, Unions. If it wasn't for you I wouldn't have these things and if you stop they'll just take them back away. P.S. If these idiots keep talking shit about you, I'd be glad to kick their ass so you can keep saving mine from slavery.
 
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CADsortaGUY

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A minimum wage. A set total number of hours people can be forced to work. NO child labor. Thank you, Unions. If it wasn't for you I wouldn't have these things and if you stop they'll just take them back away. PS. If these idiots talk shit in front of you I'd be glad to kick their ass so you can keep saving mine from slavery.

lol, such a good little union fluffing thug...
 

Fandango21

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lol, such a good little union fluffing thug...
Whether or not you're willing to admit it, you enjoy the benefits of what they have been able to accomplish. If you can't stand up for something that helps you, you've got more problems than worrying about me.
 

Acanthus

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Belonging to a union does not make you a thug any more than being rich makes you a baron.

Unions protect workers from unfair practices and are critical to American prosperity.
 

bfdd

Lifer
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The outcome would have been extremely terrible. We're talking about the ability to pay employees. If nobody gets paid, nobody has an incentive to work. That's extremely risky. I'm all for restructuring how we do banking, but it has to be in an orderly fashion.

The banks don't deserve order since they caused such chaos. We won't ever know though because we took a different course of action, which imo seems to be leading us down a road of prolonged death(seems to be the American way) instead of swift so we could start rebuilding. It will take a very very long time to root out the issues we've compounded on ourselves, especially through legislation which is a huge part of the problem anyways, when the system you're talking about restructuring has a stranglehold on our political process and economic politics.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Whether or not you're willing to admit it, you enjoy the benefits of what they have been able to accomplish. If you can't stand up for something that helps you, you've got more problems than worrying about me.

Oh sure, unions used to have a place but they've become what they used to fight against. They are now worthless except as a means for people to extort wealth from others. But for some reason people still think they need to pay for this "protection"... must be weak...
 

Phokus

Lifer
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The banks don't deserve order since they caused such chaos. We won't ever know though because we took a different course of action, which imo seems to be leading us down a road of prolonged death(seems to be the American way) instead of swift so we could start rebuilding. It will take a very very long time to root out the issues we've compounded on ourselves, especially through legislation which is a huge part of the problem anyways, when the system you're talking about restructuring has a stranglehold on our political process and economic politics.

Yes, that's why you punish the shit out of the banksters instead of NOT prosecuting them. Our problem is that the SEC is now in the back pocket of the banks. One regulator was actually fired for trying to dig too deep... eventually all the top SEC bosses go to work for the banks or law firms connected to them. Somehow we actually accept this... if the Chief of your state police suddenly stopped going after druglords and instead worked for them after he retired, nobody would tolerate that, but for banksters we just let it slide. And we're talking about UNIONS?
 

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Lifer
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Phokus, why can't we talk about multiple problems? Like I said, I fail to see the issue with that. I'm not disagreeing with you on those points, I actually fully agree with you, but it doesn't mean there aren't other problems we too can address.
 
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