End Social Security

[Incorruptible]

Only for Muslims!

For everyone!

 

[First]

A rational person would change their voting behavior if their views did not match with those of the people they keep voting for.

Did you read what I wrote carefully? I'll repeat it for you; no one representative exists that will align with a voter's worldview 100% of the time, nor will that representative do everything you predict he/she will do. Such a utopia does NOT exist.

If the voters were concerned about the budget deficit and its impact on future generations, they would have not voted for the people who keep making it bigger.

Your simple-mindedness is cute, but ultimately not useful in the real world. People care about the deficit, but they care more about lots of things, depending on the voter; like jobs and the economy, healthcare, immigration, environment, etc. And they should care more about those things in the appropriate context.

Saying "I want a balanced budget" means nothing if you don't vote that way; either you don't really care about a balanced budget, or it is lower on your priorities than "gib me more free stuffs plz". Either way, the masses that keep voting in Democrats and Republicans are responsible for the budget mess.

Representatives that enact legislation are responsible, ultimately. Voters only have so much power or time.

One person cannot get legislation passed by himself. If he kept getting elected his constituency obviously thought he was doing a good job.

Oh the ironing. You just got finished telling me that voters are ultimately responsible for their rep's performance, yet you cannot hold Ron Paul's feet to the fire for never in his life getting a bill signed into law. I'm sorry you do not realize the hypocrisy here or the failure of a legislator like Ron Paul to perform his most basic of legislating duties.

I know this is hard for some people to understand, but the government does not need to be constantly passing new laws to be doing a good job. More laws usually creates problems, rather than solving the issues they were intended to fix.

Another simple-minded world view that isn't practically useful to people who want to get stuff done.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

How about this -

Tax me and everyone at 2% SSI tax + Company's to take care of the hard luck cases. Let me take the rest and invest it how I want.

 

[OverVolt]

People who are 20-29 are so stupid and can't think for themselves probably like 70% will vote to keep social security because its how their parents taught them to think.

I agree the younger generation is getting screwed, and if they had any common sense they would be pushing to end social security, but realistically it ain't gonna happen going by how most people in that age group think.

 

[Incorruptible]

People who are 20-29 are so stupid and can't think for themselves probably like 70% will vote to keep social security because its how their parents taught them to think.

I agree the younger generation is getting screwed, and if they had any common sense they would be pushing to end social security, but realistically it ain't gonna happen going by how most people in that age group think.

And this is exactly why not everyone should vote, there far too stupid to understand anything

 

[piasabird]

Social Security is only part of the problem. Somehow we added Disability and Welfare, and aid for widows into a system for retirement security. Then we also created a health care system for old people. All these things need to be separated into separate programs. None of these things are the responsibility of the federal government.

I would see nothing wrong with a voluntary retirement or savings system as long as everyone had an individual account and the principal was guaranteed and all the funds were kept separate from the budget of the Federal government. Otherwise, I think we should end Social Security. The Federal Government is stealing people's money and calling it an unfunded entitlement. Since the Federal Government has proven it can not be trusted with the citizens retirement money, we should take it all away from them. It is like keeping your back door open with a sign that says all thieves are welcome.

 

[piasabird]

There is no such thing as social security. Congress just steals that money.

 

[schneiderguy]

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Learn to argue without coming off like a condescending douchebag and you'll go much further in life.

You've had three posts directed towards me that are filled with nothing but personal attacks. I am done, have a nice day and please never reply to my posts again. Thanks.

 

[Incorruptible]

Learn to argue without coming off like a condescending douchebag and you'll go much further in life.

You've had three posts directed towards me that are filled with nothing but personal attacks. I am done, have a nice day and please never reply to my posts again. Thanks.

Agreed. Why is it that leftists always resort to personal attacks? They never debate the issues but this is typical of idiots

 

[First]

Learn to argue without coming off like a condescending douchebag and you'll go much further in life.

You've had three posts directed towards me that are filled with nothing but personal attacks. I am done, have a nice day and please never reply to my posts again. Thanks.

I'm sorry you don't have thicker skin and find it difficult to take insults over the Internet (also, my last reply to you was tame by almost any message board standard). My tactics are meant to shame you into rethinking your backwards positions.

 

[Corporate Thug]

SS should be optional.

If it was, poor planners and the real leaches would opt out of it to maximize their take home pay and then when time comes to retire, they will be SOL and would seek some other form of government assistance (like food stamps), essentially double dipping.

 

[Incorruptible]

If it was, poor planners and the real leaches would opt out of it to maximize their take home pay and then when time comes to retire, they will be SOL and would seek some other form of government assistance (like food stamps), essentially double dipping.

Which is why you end these welfare programs

 

[Corporate Thug]

my theory is to taper off social security and end the program. period.

10 years from now, maybe people get 90-95%, 20 years 80-85%, 30 years 50%, 40 years 20%, 50 years nothing. i have absolutely no intention of relying on social security for any form of retirement benefits. i expect it to pay me nothing upon my retirement. i have 20% of my current paycheck (15% mine + 5% matching) going towards my retirement (essentially a 401k)

why taper it off when it can be "fixed" with relatively small changes? I took am trying to fund my retirement under the assumption of $0 SS contribution but there would certainly be some drastic changes to retirement w/ SS vs w/o SS. Also, I'd be pissed if I paid into a system for 30 years and got nothing in return

 

[piasabird]

Medicare program uses more money than SS. I think in certain cases some people should be denied coverage for things like Transplants. If you drank like fish or smoked for 40 years maybe you dont deserve any extreme treatments like liver transplants and emphazima depending on how extreme your abuse was.

There is also some point like after 80 you dont get any extreme treatment. At some point we have to say "Just sit in the easy chair and take it easy.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Medicare program uses more money than SS. I think in certain cases some people should be denied coverage for things like Transplants. If you drank like fish or smoked for 40 years maybe you dont deserve any extreme treatments like liver transplants and emphazima depending on how extreme your abuse was.

There is also some point like after 80 you dont get any extreme treatment. At some point we have to say "Just sit in the easy chair and take it easy.

Denied all treatment or just to the transplant? What good does it do though? Same person, even without coverage, could walk into ER over and over again, passing the bill onto the tax payer in another way.

 

[Juror No. 8]

If Bernie Madoff operated a Ponzi scheme similar to that of the U.S. government's Social(ist) (in)Security program, he'd be in jail.

Oh wait...

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

If it was, poor planners and the real leaches would opt out of it to maximize their take home pay and then when time comes to retire, they will be SOL and would seek some other form of government assistance (like food stamps), essentially double dipping.

I think we should teach people accountability. No one's there to bail you out if you put your life savings on Red at the roulette table. Deal with it.

But seriously, people should be able to opt out of this stupid safety net if they want to. You just gotta waive your rights for that bailout.

 

[Incorruptible]

I think we should teach people accountability. No one's there to bail you out if you put your life savings on Red at the roulette table. Deal with it.

But seriously, people should be able to opt out of this stupid safety net if they want to. You just gotta waive your rights for that bailout.

This, the government takes away personal responsibility and you have idiots crying to the government instead of taking care of themselves

 

[Exterous]

I think we should teach people accountability. No one's there to bail you out if you put your life savings on Red at the roulette table. Deal with it.

While accountability has a lot to do with it it isn't everything. What about medical bankruptcy? What about theft? Fraud? SS is there as a lifeline. The average annual benefit is a mere $15,000 a year. Not exactly excessive IMO

As for opting out - I think that is too risky. Far too many people don't understand what is needed to retire and have repeatedly shown they can't save properly. Maybe if you meet certain savings levels/requirements? Even then I think you'd find a lot of people with a properly diversified portfolio would welcome a defined benefit plan backed by the US government

 

[NTMBK]

And this is exactly why not everyone should vote, there far too stupid to understand anything

Yes, because you're a real bright spark.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Yes, because you're a real bright spark.

lmfao I know, right? Welcome to a microcosm of the right.

 

[piasabird]

Just let sequestration kick in. Let the Bush Tax Cuts Expire. After all, Liberals claim that under Clinton the Economy was so great so lets just go back to Clinton's Budget. Bush aslo passed the bill that pays for the donut hole drugs. Lets put a stop to that along with CHIPS.

 

[piasabird]

Make women sign up for the draft also.

 

[hal2kilo]

We could put all the old people in nursing homes and LTR sucking up the Medicare and Medicaid on the ice flows, like Eskimos. Oh crap, the arctic ice is melting though.

 

[zinfamous]

all I ever see is copy-pasted talking points from OP.

Not once have a I ever seen him present a serviceable argument.