Engadget editor and diehard BB fan gives up her BB

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this article mirrors my thoughts exactly.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/15/editorial-rim-seems-to-be-as-lost-as-my-blackberry/

Editorial: RIM seems to be as lost as my BlackBerry

The only way to open this editorial is to admit something I've been rather shy about on the pages of Engadget: I've been an avid BlackBerry fan and user for about six years now. I mean a real addict -- the kind who wakes up each morning looking for a blinking red LED, the kind who's refused to give up push email and BlackBerry Messenger in favor of more powerful, polished, and progressive mobile operating systems like iOS, Android, and webOS. In fact, when my Verizon contract was up last year I opted to get a Curve 8530 instead of the Motorola Droid or Palm Pre -- to say nothing of making the leap over to AT&T for the iPhone.

There were lots of reasons I didn't want to give up my BlackBerry, but five days ago I lost that very Curve in a San Francisco cab. Then coincidentally, a day later I saw RIM co-CEO Mike Lazaridis speak at the D: Dive Into Mobile conference, where he almost embarrassingly avoided every question about the company's immediate smartphone strategy. I had always known that RIM was behind the curve (always a great pun!), but I also always had hope that the company would catch up with modern smartphones of today. Sadly, watching Mike dodge questions on the D stage took that hope away from me -- it's crystal clear that RIM won't have a solution to compete with those powerful smartphones anytime soon. So, what happens to a BlackBerry diehard like myself? Where do I go from here?

Before I get to the rather tragic events of the last week, it's only right to explain why I clung to a BlackBerry -- or "that dinosaur" as a certain clever, bagel-eating analyst repeatedly referred to it -- for so long. Yes, I endured countless inquisitions on why I refused to give up my Curve over the last couple of years, but I defended my attachment to the mobile platform with what became a prepared list of reasons. First, there was the form factor -- I absolutely love a good physical keyboard and I just couldn't imagine giving up the portrait keyboard for a soft keyboard. (I was able to type close to 50 words per minute on my old Curve 8330, after all.) And while I could get a physical keyboard on Android or webOS devices, I couldn't also get the messaging components of the BlackBerry OS -- and by that, I really mean BlackBerry Messenger. I'm more than aware that many don't understand the appeal of BBM (notably nearly all of my fellow Engadget editors!), but most of my closest friends and family have BlackBerrys, and the native messaging client absolutely destroys text messaging in terms of speed and capabilities. (I could spend a good 500 words on why BBM is so great, but that's really an entire editorial and RIM ad campaign unto itself.) There's also BlackBerry's unmatched push email speed -- many times I've reached for my BlackBerry to read a message long before it hit my laptop screen. Of course, there were other reasons to love my BlackBerry as well: good call quality, reliable networks, and yes, BrickBreaker. But BBM and the keyboard remained at the top of my list.

I figured that in a year or so, I'd buy a new BlackBerry -- one that would have all the features I love but also be faster, better at surfing the web, include real touch support, and have a broader selection of apps.
But, obviously, I had to make a lot of sacrifices for those features, including speed, app selection, and ease of use. How many times did a friend with an iPhone or an EVO look up a bar or restaurant using Google Maps at least a minute faster than me? At least 100. How long would I wait for my phone to reboot after installing an app? A solid four to five minutes without fail. How many times did I open my laptop and jump on 3G to look at a website, just to avoid having to wait until it would load on my phone? Believe me, more than I care to admit. Yes, I made lots of sacrifices for BBM and that keyboard, mostly because I believed RIM would eventually improve the OS and the hardware that powered it. I figured that in a year or so, I'd buy a new BlackBerry -- one that would have all the features I love but also be faster, better at surfing the web, include real touch support, and have a broader selection of apps.

Instead, RIM's given me the BlackBerry Torch as the answer to the iPhone and Android. I use the word "answer" lightly -- even a hard-core fan knows that the Torch isn't competitive, at least not in comparison to the other smartphones on the market. The Torch does provide a slightly better browsing experience, and BlackBerry 6 has been polished a bit, but still the general experience is sluggish and the applications are nowhere near as robust as the ones for iOS or Android. And when you look at it from a purely hardware perspective, the Torch offers a smaller screen, lower resolution, and slower processor than much more powerful phones on the market, yet costs nearly as much.

A major industry question suddenly became very personal: a year and a half after buying the 8530, was there really no solid smartphone option in the market from RIM?
Which brings me up to today. With my Curve lost somewhere between my hotel and San Francisco airport, a major industry question suddenly became very personal: a year and a half after buying the 8530, was there really no solid smartphone option in the market from RIM? Obviously, I knew the answers to that question -- I'm a tech editor after all -- but it wasn't until I saw Lazaridis speak a day later that I saw the writing on the wall for me and the company: RIM doesn't have a competitive smartphone now, nor will it have one any time in the near future. The mobile shackles I'd chosen to live in weren't going to be clipped off anytime soon -- in fact, it looked like the pain was only to get worse.

This must have been quite a performance by Lazaridis, right? It was, and I highly suggest you read the liveblog or watch the full interview. RIM's co-CEO muddled through explaining the company's mobile strategy, and while he stressed that it continues to see global growth, especially in 2G markets, he focused primarily on the upcoming PlayBook tablet. It was almost comical to watch Lazaridis respond to questions about the company's handset business with information about the upcoming tablet and skirt questions about its US smartphone business. Now, don't get me wrong, from what I've seen of the PlayBook, it looks absolutely awesome -- the QNX OS looks incredibly snappy and the interface is well laid out and extremely eye-catching -- but that's a tablet. What about the tablet that I want to put in my pocket, as one smart journalist asked Lazaridis at the conference? When will I get the power and apparent robustness of the PlayBook in a smartphone? Not for a while, Lazaridis let on. And that's where RIM seems to be totally adrift at the moment -- it's working on a powerful operating system for its seven-inch tablet without offering any hope that that work will pay off on its smartphones.

It's confusing -- RIM seems to be creating its own mobile class system of smartphone serfs and tablet nobles, if you will. Phones with an outdated OS have been given slight sprinkles of modern day functionality while the PlayBook receives fresh, multicore software with an innovative UI and apparently great performance. And while the plan is (apparently) to put QNX on higher end handsets once dual-core processors are ready, Lazaridis spent much of the interview defending BlackBerry 6 and avoiding offering any real timeframe on when we'd see QNX on phones -- even though dual-core chips like the Tegra 2 are already appearing on phones like the LG Star. It was all a bit hard to decipher, but the strategy seems to be: keep the current smartphone platform in the market at the moment, build out QNX on the PlayBook for a Q1 2011 release, work to bring the OS down to dual-core smartphones once the power consumption is right, and then finally enter the high-end smartphone game for real -- a timeframe that seems to stretch out at least a year if not more. That strategy might makes sense on a few levels, but Apple, Google, Microsoft and Palm aren't going to sit still while RIM gets to work, and I need a phone now.

Nope, it all doesn't leave a BBM-loving, BlackBerry diehard in search of more than just great messaging and a physical keyboard in a good place. And I think you can see why watching Lazaridis speak was the breaking point for someone like myself, who had been waiting for at least a year and a half for RIM to put out a phone we can call great by today's standards. Indeed, I'm excited about QNX on phones and everything else that's promised in the next few years (heck, add Windows 8 and Light Peak to the list!), but I'm left with zero options from RIM today, tomorrow, or even in the next few months. So, I had to do what lots of people out there have already done, the unimaginable for a true BlackBerry fan: I walked into a Verizon store, forgot about that BlackBerry defense list, and signed a two-year contract on a Droid 2 Global. I'd like to think that by the time my contract is up I'll be able to buy a BlackBerry with more than just great email and messaging, but until then I'm trading in BBM for SMS, Kik, and GChat.
 

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Technically, she lost it and chose to replace it with a competitor.

It's a good read, and mirrors many other's feelings about using a BB as a personal phone

I think BB is toast in the NA market.
 

Deeko

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lol - I read this article yesterday and my first thought was "hmmm...I wonder who will post this first, blahblah or pb"
 

Deeko

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For now, RIM's looming mindshare problem is more theoretical than it is practical -- as far as Wall Street's concerned, at least -- on today's news that they've beaten the consensus estimates for fiscal Q3 revenue and income with $5.49 billion and $911.1 million, respectively. The company also shipped a record 14.2 million units in the three-month period, up a whopping 40 percent year-over-year, but subscriber additions fell a bit short -- 5.1 million versus the 5.2 million that analysts had counted on. Interestingly, RIM has elected not to report adds anymore, which means they're not offering guidance on adds for the next fiscal quarter, either -- which certainly doesn't seem like a good sign. Be that as it may, Waterloo's confidence in its long-running leaders seems stronger than ever before, because co-CEOs Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis have just been made co-chairmen of the board... presumably just so they can crack jokes about running "dual-core" board meetings. Anyhow, they're looking at revenue for the next quarter of $5.5 to $5.7 billion and earnings per share of $1.74 to $1.80, both of which outstrip estimates, on device sales of 14 million. Any PlayBooks in that figure, do you suppose?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/16/rim-beats-earnings-estimates-falls-just-shy-on-subscriber-growt/

Once again, despite near constant doomsaying by the geek crowd, RIM shows that they are still doing fantastic. A massive 40% increase in units sold year over year, and revenue/income that again beat expectations.
 

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Yeah, one geek lost is a disaster and RIM is toast? I have 14.2 million reasons why that doesn't matter.

 

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Yeah, one geek lost is a disaster and RIM is toast? I have 14.2 million reasons why that doesn't matter.


Just imagine what the sales figures would be like if they made a smartphone that was competitive with Android OS'd phones and the iPhone.

And if you really think widely followed folk publicly abandoning the platform does no harm to BB, you're sadly mistaken.

Android will push into markets that RIM has virtually no competition in at present, with cheaper and more capable phones.

From the stats this year:

RIM's focus on international markets was particularly evident this quarter, with just one-third of its revenue coming from the U.S. The Waterloo, Ontario-based smartphone maker has seen its share of the North American smartphone market plunge from more than 50 percent a year ago to about 27 percent, according to Gartner Research.
 
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Deeko

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Just imagine what the sales figures would be like if they made a smartphone that was competitive with Android OS'd phones and the iPhone.

And if you really think widely followed folk publicly abandoning the platform does no harm to BB, you're sadly mistaken.

Android will push into markets that RIM has virtually no competition in at present, with cheaper and more capable phones.

From the stats this year:

We go over this every time these numbers come up, but they fail to resonate for some reason.

Yes - RIM is losing market share. However, it is an ever-expanding market. Therefore, despite having a smaller share - they are still selling more phones than ever before. They sold 40% more phones than they did last year! Considering they weren't exactly hurting last year, those numbers are very impressive, and you simply cannot deny it (although I'm sure you'll try).

The tech crowd can kick and scream about the imminent doom of RIM all they want...but we've yet to see any of these things happen. They just keep selling more and more.
 

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We go over this every time these numbers come up, but they fail to resonate for some reason.

Yes - RIM is losing market share. However, it is an ever-expanding market. Therefore, despite having a smaller share - they are still selling more phones than ever before. They sold 40% more phones than they did last year! Considering they weren't exactly hurting last year, those numbers are very impressive, and you simply cannot deny it (although I'm sure you'll try).

The tech crowd can kick and scream about the imminent doom of RIM all they want...but we've yet to see any of these things happen. They just keep selling more and more.

The point isn't that they're going under overnight (though I do agree, some people seem overzealous in their "RIM is dead" comments), but they're on a slippery downhill slope and don't seem to be doing much to rectify their situation. The phones they're putting out right now aren't appealing when compared to the flashy Android / iPhone / even WM7 phones available. The hardware is sub-par, the software (browser and lack of a good app store especially) leaves something to be desired, and they don't seem to be innovating.

It's like Ford / GM / Chrysler in the late '90s and early 2000s. They were still selling plenty of cars, but they just weren't innovating and improving like the foreign automakers were at the time. We all know where that story leads.
 

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The exodus of corporate customers is just going to snowball. More smartphones floating around => more people getting a taste of actual power => more screaming from employees to allow iOS/Android/WP7 alternatives. Heck, you probably know someone in this situation right now.
 

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The point isn't that they're going under overnight (though I do agree, some people seem overzealous in their "RIM is dead" comments), but they're on a slippery downhill slope and don't seem to be doing much to rectify their situation. The phones they're putting out right now aren't appealing when compared to the flashy Android / iPhone / even WM7 phones available. The hardware is sub-par, the software (browser and lack of a good app store especially) leaves something to be desired, and they don't seem to be innovating.

It's like Ford / GM / Chrysler in the late '90s and early 2000s. They were still selling plenty of cars, but they just weren't innovating and improving like the foreign automakers were at the time. We all know where that story leads.

The issue here is that if you don't enjoy RIM devices, if you don't care about RIM, then you don't listen when they have good news and make aquisitions that are clearly aimed at doing just that; rectifying the situation. Let's take a look:

- Purchase of Torch Mobile: Full overhaul of browising, introduciton of webworks accross the board in OS6 and BB-Tablet OS (You suggested, wrongly, that current phones have bad browsers. They don't, they are actually very good on OS6)
- Purchase of QNX: Fully scalable realtime non-stop SMP OS, first to be seen in PLayBook, later to replace OS6 in handsets.
- Purchase of TAT: Legendary UI designers, on-boarded to improve user experience

Now this is the stuff you can see. Trust me when I say that what you see is just the tip of the iceberg. There is much work going on inside RIM to address known pressure points that they are feeling from competing products.

To suggest RIM are sitting on their hands and waiting for the end is very, very shortsighted.
 
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RIM is smart not to continue on a path of foreseeable failure. Any smart business person will cut their losses as soon as possible. I don't see why they don't build an Android device, though. It's open source.

And as far as this lady's article, I think she skipped all the important, interesting parts that could have been and went on and on repeating herself - she feels like the boat has left without her. Yes it did. And that's what you get for being a fangirl.
 

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RIM is smart not to continue on a path of foreseeable failure. Any smart business person will cut their losses as soon as possible. I don't see why they don't build an Android device, though. It's open source.

And as far as this lady's article, I think she skipped all the important, interesting parts that could have been and went on and on repeating herself - she feels like the boat has left without her. Yes it did. And that's what you get for being a fangirl.

Why should they? It's not anywhere near as secure as the BB platform, most of the hardware sucks in one regard or another and they become just another Android peddler.

Only an Android fan would suggest such a thing.
 

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they could change the software to their liking, lock it down as much as they want and put it on whatever hardware they want.
 

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Why should they? It's not anywhere near as secure as the BB platform, most of the hardware sucks in one regard or another and they become just another Android peddler.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

:twisted: evil greed, necessity to survive, some call it. That's why.

Then they can put more energy into their BB OS.



Only an Android fan would suggest such a thing.

I have never been a BB fan. I have had a Palm Treo 650, not a fan of that. I have been a Symbian fan. I am a 17 day old Android fan, completely. It's either iOS or Android right now. No one else matters, except MAYBE Win Phone 7. Apple would never allow RIM to use their iOS. WP7 is questionable at best. Android is the clear option for large volume of sales. Why not? HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola - they all make Android phones. Why not? Sometimes you have to take a hit to the pride to build more pride. It's the companies who don't make those wise choices who fail.
 

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they could change the software to their liking, lock it down as much as they want and put it on whatever hardware they want.

Yup. It might even be the best rendition of Android yet. But, we will probably never know. They are fools to not build a handset with a keyboard that runs on BB modified Android. The code is already there, and they have software developers.
 

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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

:twisted: evil greed, necessity to survive, some call it. That's why.

Then they can put more energy into their BB OS.





I have never been a BB fan. I have had a Palm Treo 650, not a fan of that. I have been a Symbian fan. I am a 17 day old Android fan, completely. It's either iOS or Android right now. No one else matters, except MAYBE Win Phone 7. Apple would never allow RIM to use their iOS. WP7 is questionable at best. Android is the clear option for large volume of sales. Why not? HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola - they all make Android phones. Why not? Sometimes you have to take a hit to the pride to build more pride. It's the companies who don't make those wise choices who fail.

Read my post above explaining what they are doing. There is NO reason for RIM to 'ask' anyone for an OS. None.
 

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Read my post above explaining what they are doing. There is NO reason for RIM to 'ask' anyone for an OS. None.

Huh? I never suggested they should or would. That tablet's GUI looks like Android, by the way. The QNX tablet. But as the op-ed proclaimed, it's a tablet, and clearly not a handset. And there is no real LCD-consumer reason they would sell very well either. The stupid average consumer doesn't care about software pedigree or scalability or whatever... To understand what sells, look at the iPhone. There has NEVER been a good technical reason to buy an iPhone. I am not even really that into software or phones and I know the iPhone is all looks. Functionally it's always been inferior. So, whatever any company does, it has to appeal to the lowest common denominator with a feature or two. Blackberry just needs to grasp at it's already loyal fans. I think the best way to do that is for them to say, "I have Android on my Blackberry!" And Blackberry can easily modify and write widgets for the Android OS to make all the normal features of the Blackberry available. I don't think most people care about the underlying security of the Blackberries. An Android BB wouldn't be a whole new direction for the entire RIM company, just a product or two to bring in revenue and not lose their customer base. It's not like RIM is an artist who has to worry about their street cred.
 

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BB has its market so if they're in trouble, it would be a slow decline, which should give them enough time to come up with something new to compete.

Me personally, I'm not a fan of BB phones as both the hardware and software seems stagnant to me. On the other hand their Playbook is the opposite and has great hardware/software, so that device interests me more than their phones.
 

Deeko

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The point isn't that they're going under overnight (though I do agree, some people seem overzealous in their "RIM is dead" comments), but they're on a slippery downhill slope and don't seem to be doing much to rectify their situation. The phones they're putting out right now aren't appealing when compared to the flashy Android / iPhone / even WM7 phones available. The hardware is sub-par, the software (browser and lack of a good app store especially) leaves something to be desired, and they don't seem to be innovating.

The new browser in OS6 is actually pretty solid. No, they aren't flashy, but there's still a lot desirable in the phones too - same goes for the hardware, no, they don't have the best screens, but they still make the best keyboards in the business.

It's like Ford / GM / Chrysler in the late '90s and early 2000s. They were still selling plenty of cars, but they just weren't innovating and improving like the foreign automakers were at the time. We all know where that story leads.

minus the UAW being a massive draw on everything they do. Or the fact that Blackberry really has been trying to improve. While the Torch might not be everything it should have been, it was definitely a step in the right direction - and their 2010 acquisitions are too.

Yup. It might even be the best rendition of Android yet. But, we will probably never know. They are fools to not build a handset with a keyboard that runs on BB modified Android. The code is already there, and they have software developers.

Why would they do that? There are a lot of negatives to this. First off, I don't think you really appreciate the amount of work it would take to make Android as secure as BBOS, and to port their email system, BBM, and all the other things that make Blackberry, Blackberry. That's not something you just do overnight. Secondly, they have a powerful, full-fledged operating system of their own...why would they cede that to Google? The problem with Blackberry is not their infrastructure - conversely, they have some of the best infrastructure out there. The problem is the UI - and they just purchased a UI company to help improve that.
 
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The new browser in OS6 is actually pretty solid. No, they aren't flashy, but there's still a lot desirable in the phones too - same goes for the hardware, no, they don't have the best screens, but they still make the best keyboards in the business.

too bad the hardware that comes with it sucks so browsing is still sluggish, and the overall experience has an unrefined feel to it.
 

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As far as RIM buying TAT, I've seen some trendy stuff from them, but their claim to fame is the original Android GUI, not exactly considered a centerpiece of modern design, actually, most are unimpressed with it, and look forward to each new tweak to the GUI which I suspect is handled in house by Google now...

Lazardis himself says that BB is selling best in flipping 3rd world countries with developing infrastructure. They dropped from 50% marketshare in the US to 27%, that's a staggering drop. Those sales in developing countries are going to be gobbled up by entry level, cheap Android phones in a heartbeat.

I will be amazed in 2 years if RIM has anything like the sales/marketshare they have now...

RIM's strategy for the US is QNX on dual core phones? And yet another tablet with yet another OS that depends on web apps in HTML that Android and iOS devices can take advantage of as well?

And I gotta tell you, having sensors embedded on the bezel is pretty stupid too, you're going to have to hold it in a really awkward manner to use one...

Sigh.....
 
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Again - this isn't hard. A "staggering drop" in marketshare in an expanding market is not as dire as you'd like to make it sound. They sold 40% more phones this year than they did last year. That is a staggering increase

For some reason, it hurts your soul that RIM is still allowed to be a company. I regret to inform you that they're still doing quite well, whether you like it or not.
 

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As far as RIM buying TAT, I've seen some trendy stuff from them, but their claim to fame is the original Android GUI, not exactly considered a centerpiece of modern design, actually, most are unimpressed with it, and look forward to each new tweak to the GUI which I suspect is handled in house by Google now...

Lazardis himself says that BB is selling best in flipping 3rd world countries with developing infrastructure. They dropped from 50% marketshare in the US to 27%, that's a staggering drop. Those sales in developing countries are going to be gobbled up by entry level, cheap Android phones in a heartbeat.

I will be amazed in 2 years if RIM has anything like the sales/marketshare they have now...

RIM's strategy for the US is QNX on dual core phones? And yet another tablet with yet another OS that depends on web apps in HTML that Android and iOS devices can take advantage of as well?

And I gotta tell you, having sensors embedded on the bezel is pretty stupid too, you're going to have to hold it in a really awkward manner to use one...

Sigh.....

If I took all of your FUD apart it would take too long..., but well done using miss-quotes and out of context statements. 14.2 million devices sold is 14.2 millon devices sold. Market share is interesting, but a 40% increase in devices shipped year on year is epic, but keep on keeping on with your usual tired shtick.

As for the gestures on the bezel, I LOVE how you dismiss it before you, or anyone else, have used it, but it's your M.O. when it comes to BB & RIM.
 
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