[engadget] Origin PC drops AMD graphics options due to feedback, support woes

[MeldarthX]

You remember when I suspected there were AMD viral marketers here? How everyone came down on me (and several others) asking for a smoking gun or go home?

Welcome to my world Krumme. Enjoy.

Of course there are Keys; but can I remind you of Nvidia's viral marketers who were much; much worse ...

but I'll comment on OT in a moment.

 

[Keysplayr]

Of course there are Keys; but can I remind you of Nvidia's viral marketers who were much; much worse ...

but I'll comment on OT in a moment.

Not about which was worse. Is about requiring a smoking gun for proof.

Still require ANY solid proof. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually am appreciating blackened23's posts here on this subject. Well said and thought out. :thumbsup:

 

[ShintaiDK]

LOL Mantle is cheating? Sure it is.

Yep. But any sponsorship is. Its no different than lobbyism=corruption. We just like to call it something else so it sounds ok.

When AMD or nVidia hands a company 5-8 million. Its quite obvious they want something in return. And thats running better than it else would on their products, or even make the competitors product run worse. And thats outright cheating. AMD and nVidia didnt pay DICE and Ubisoft a free check of the desired millions with no obligations. No, they want return for their money.

 

[MeldarthX]

Right guys when I worked for Falcon Northwest; you know they company the coined gaming pc term....

We had this all the time - we were approached by Nvidia; Intel; ATI; AMD. I remember meeting a few sales guys from Intel during Athlon and just before X2 launch and they wanted to lock us into a contract only selling Intel.

Kelt; CEO/Owner of Falcon said; nope we will use the fastest. If yours is the fastest then that's what we'll use. He said the same to Nvidia; if you have the fastest; then we'll use you in our Mach V's.

As a custom system builder that's the best way to do it; Origin; they took the cash; that's why they've made these annoucements. If it was normal business and they took the cash; there wouldn't of been any banging on pans to let everyone know. This was part of the agreement. Short term; helps the bottom line; long term its going to hurt them....

 

[MeldarthX]

Not about which was worse. Is about requiring a smoking gun for proof.

Still require ANY solid proof. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually am appreciating blackened23's posts here on this subject. Well said and thought out. :thumbsup:

I completely agree - I don't always post; and yea I have admitted I tend to lean towards AMD over Nvidia simply because of business practices which I've seen first hand; but solid proof is needed.

That's why I've posted what I've posted; I've seen the back door deals. The ones that use this style the most; Intel and Nvidia. Was it right then? Nope; is it right now? Nope. Will it continue? Yep.

As I said; normal business if they were dropping an item; there would be no announcement about it; unless its part of the contract they just signed. To do that just before a launch; yes there was money parted; you can tell the way they've answered the questions.

In the long term; this doesn't really damage Nvidia; but it will damage Origin; but hey any PR is good right?

 

[Keysplayr]

It doesn't matter which way you lean. It doesn't make any difference. Its about fairness and innocent til proven guilty at these allegations. Just like most of this forum absolutely demanded not so long ago discussing AMD viral marketing. Smoking gun required. The bed has been pretty much made, and now it must be slept in. Right everyone?

 

[Rvenger]

There's enough information floating around the web to know it won't be. That said, I don't think you understand how all this works. AMD does not sell cards directly to Origin PC. Whoever Origin's supplier is will sell both brands. If you buy your video cards from Newegg and swear off Nvidia cards and buy only AMD cards, Newegg doesn't care, they're making money off you either way. If you later change your mind, Newegg isn't going refuse to sell you an Nvidia card because you badmouthed Nvidia previously.

My statement was completely hypothetical. I know because I purchase the product of the sort you explained above.

 

[SirPauly]

Origin PC CEO Responds to AMD GPU Controversy

Devin Connors: Has Origin PC received any incentive, cash or otherwise, from Nvidia that led to the discontinuation of AMD GPU sales by Origin PC?

Kevin Wasielewski: No. In fact, I called my NVIDIA rep and told them I am dropping AMD. Not the other way around.

DC: Did SemiAccurate reach out to you for comment before they published their article today?

KW: They did not reach out to me. No calls, emails, or tweets.

http://www.gamefront.com/origin-pc-ceo-responds-to-amd-gpu-controversy/

 

[96Firebird]

Shocking, Charlie didn't do any research before posting a controversial article.

Say it ain't so!

 

[Grooveriding]

Shocking! The Origin CEO denies anything shady, like he would admit it to it if it was true

 

[Rvenger]

Origin PC CEO Responds to AMD GPU Controversy




http://www.gamefront.com/origin-pc-ceo-responds-to-amd-gpu-controversy/

Why would he say that he called Nvidia and said he was dropping AMD? That throws a red flag in itself.

 

[Keysplayr]

Shocking! The Origin CEO denies anything shady, like he would admit it to it if it was true

In other words, your mind is made up and no amount of following up with all parties will change that.
Awesome there.

 

[caswow]

Why would he say that he called Nvidia and said he was dropping AMD? That throws a red flag in itself.

why would they put out a press release in the first place?

 

[Grooveriding]

why would they put out a press release in the first place?

Exactly.

A small unknown company takes the time to go around screaming from the rooftops that they are no longer using AMD just before AMD launches new cards and in tandem with trying to promote an overpriced 'battlebox' Trying to ride on the coat tails of the Battlefield 4 name that AMD has locked in with their brand.

 

[SirPauly]

Why would he say that he called Nvidia and said he was dropping AMD? That throws a red flag in itself.

It sure was nice to see a journalist ask a direct question though!

 

[SirPauly]

Exactly.

A small unknown company takes the time to go around screaming from the rooftops that they are no longer using AMD just before AMD launches new cards and in tandem with trying to promote an overpriced 'battlebox' Trying to ride on the coat tails of the Battlefield 4 name that AMD has locked in with their brand.

Oddly, it was just from this article:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/04/origin-pc-drops-amd-graphics-options/#continued

What rooftops? Screaming?

 

[krumme]

Origin PC CEO Responds to AMD GPU Controversy

http://www.gamefront.com/origin-pc-ceo-responds-to-amd-gpu-controversy/

He doesnt answer to what is important in this case.

The fact that lots of bs marketing pr was send from Origin PC, at a very peculiar time, regarding one of the most unimportant decisions in history. Spinned to look AMD look bad.

How do you guys think bribing words most of the time? - do you think its like someone saying a demand, and then you pay or exchange favors in accordance to that explicit demand. It seldom work like that, but most of the time, its simply done with implicit - or perhaps by slight hint - what is needed to please. Thats why its so damn difficult to stop even within a huge coorporation that clearly have different values than NV of bribing policy. Bribing gets more and more refined and complex. Its muddy waters that needs clear guidelines and topmanagement attention.

But its not that difficult to spot. As i said, NV or Origin might call this relation building. I dont care, their behavior is just bad. And its bribing whatever form it takes and whaever tools is used.

 

[NIGELG]

Not about which was worse. Is about requiring a smoking gun for proof.

Still require ANY solid proof. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually am appreciating blackened23's posts here on this subject. Well said and thought out. :thumbsup:

And yet you and your friends at another site called him a viral marketerand an AMD Shill!!!!

Anyhow where there is smoke there is most likely a fire.The whole 'Battlebox' deal is starting to smell.

Battlebox deal plus the press release by Origin PC plus the call to Nvidia by the Origin boss man are all mega suspicious.:\

 

[Rvenger]

And yet you and your friends at another site called him a viral marketerand an AMD Shill!!!!

Anyhow where there is smoke there is most likely a fire.The whole 'Battlebox' deal is starting to smell.

Battlebox deal plus the press release by Origin PC plus the call to Nvidia by the Origin boss man are all mega suspicious.:\

Its obvious since Origin makes the Battlebox... this is crazy smelly. I agree with you sir.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

They probably got fed up with AMD, doesn't take much of a leap of faith to see that happening. After they decided they wanted to drop AMD from their products they probably called Nvidia to see if they could get an exclusive deal with them.

Seems like smart business sense to me, and like all good PR moves it has a hint of shadiness to it. Origin already knew they'd lose a small amount of business dropping AMD, so what better way to recoup what you're about to lose than by laying in bed with the sole remaining option?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Kevin Wasielewski: No. In fact, I called my NVIDIA rep and told them I am dropping AMD. Not the other way around.

This is a very, very bizarre statement.

 

[wand3r3r]

Well, that certainly bought out the boys in Red........How dare they besmirch the mighty AMD...its untrue, it must be a lie!...wow, some have even done close on 1000+ words to prove its false...

This is a very, very bizarre statement.

Everything he says has been bizarre so far imo.

 

[KingFatty]

It doesn't matter which way you lean. It doesn't make any difference. Its about fairness and innocent til proven guilty at these allegations. Just like most of this forum absolutely demanded not so long ago discussing AMD viral marketing. Smoking gun required. The bed has been pretty much made, and now it must be slept in. Right everyone?

Agreed, and I'll also add that there is more nuance: it will depend on the initial evidence/claim.

Here, we see a somewhat bizarre statement, especially from a business - why alienate potential customers, most corporate/business thinking is the exact opposite. The phrasing is strangely lawyerly too, just weird.

So it's not like someone is coming out of left field to accuse Origin unfairly. This is not a claim that Origin is really a unicorn, so we need absolute proof. Instead, the situation is begging for clarification/explanation because it's a crazy situation/set of facts. If we just take the literal words of the statement, they leave gaping holes that beg for an explanation to be supplied. The set of facts don't seem to add up.

To extend the smoking gun analogy - we demand a higher burden of proof for capital crimes like murder - you need the smoking gun to overcome a higher burden of presumed innocence. But for something like jaywalking, you don't need a smoking gun. And for some situations, you are like "ok where is the video footage, this makes no sense!"

 

[SirPauly]

Battlebox deal

Nvidia’s Battlebox systems, which will be available from leading-edge PC makers, such as DigitalStorm, Falcom Northwest, Maingear, Origin and others, will cost from $2500 and upwards

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...h_End_PCs_to_Play_Games_in_4K_Resolution.html

http://www.falcon-nw.com/promo/battlebox

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/nvidia-battle-box.asp

http://www.maingear.com/battlebox/

http://www.originpc.com/landing/nvidia-battlebox/

Must be all in on it? Where there is fire there is smoke?

 

[Grooveriding]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...h_End_PCs_to_Play_Games_in_4K_Resolution.html

http://www.falcon-nw.com/promo/battlebox

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/nvidia-battle-box.asp

http://www.maingear.com/battlebox/

http://www.originpc.com/landing/nvidia-battlebox/

Must be all in on it? Where there is fire there is smoke?

LOL.

Just look at those systems. They cost twice, in some cases, three times as much as the components are worth.

Heck, I have a reasonable amount of disposable income but would never buy one of those things. Those are bigger rip-offs than the Titan was.