[engadget] Origin PC drops AMD graphics options due to feedback, support woes

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Adampa1006

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Yeah, letting your rep know you are only going to be buying from them now to more than likely try to re-negotiate purchase price on Origin's part is illegal....

You really have no clue what in the world you are talking about.

Didn't he throw out all his leverage? If that story is true, he should have called Nvidia, and said let's negotiate better prices, maybe I'll drop AMD and go with a big fancy announcement that if I like what I hear.

Not drop AMD first and then beg for better price
 

krumme

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Read this again:
"Devin Connors: Has Origin PC received any incentive, cash or otherwise, from Nvidia that led to the discontinuation of AMD GPU sales by Origin PC?

Kevin Wasielewski: No. In fact, I called my NVIDIA rep and told them I am dropping AMD. Not the other way around."


Now, here's the million-dollar question:

WHY?
WHY would Kevin need to call his NV rep and tell them that he's dropping AMD?

Sir, tell me why!!


BtW, I have a 5-year old (4 sons total) who can lie just as good as that, but he never gets away with it, hehe..

Lol. The statement made me think about excactly the same. Children is training at an early time. We know from studies that those who goes to daycare does better in life for the same reason. Bargaining, lying and learning to cooperate at the same time. Now imagine if you had 4 girls you probably wouldnt even notice you were cheated
 
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3DVagabond

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Lol. The statement made me think about excactly the same. Children is training at an early time. We know from studies that those who goes to daycare does better in life for the same reason. Bargaining, lying and learning to cooperate at the same time. Now imagine if you had 4 girls you probably wouldnt even notice you were cheated

Mom knows, though.
 

PingviN

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Maybe because they will be buying more Nvidia cards now, so Nvidia will maybe give them a bulk purchase deal?

You wwer overall profit margin, but higher overall revenue. Pretty much common busionder why Wal-Mart sells the same stuff for less? Because they buy larger quantities so manufacturers sell to them at a lower price. The manufacturers make a loness practice across the board.

Yes, but if you make a public statement saying you're not going to be buying products from company A, why would company B offer a better deal? Nvidia will already get 100% of Origin GPU purchases with AMD out of the game, so why would they lower prices? If Nvidia is no longer having to compete with AMD for Origin's business, there's not reason to offer lower prices.
 

Rvenger

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Not sure if this was posted but this seems more legit and AMD should reach out to Origin PC IMO.

Update 10-7-13: Origin PC co-founder Richard Cary took to the Origin PC forums with a more detailed claim as to why the company decided to dump AMD graphics cards.
"The decision to take AMD GPU&#8217;s off the web was made based on support. More Specifically, support from AMD to Origin, and Origin to our customers.
Take their last chipset announcement for example. It was another hardware representative that informed us of the new Hawaii chipset. AMD never told us anything about it, nor shared a road map outlining its future integration. When we did get with our AMD representative, we were told that there was a new chipset launching, and we could watch the event live and get answers to our questions.
We also asked for samples to start our research and development process, something that is standard in the industry for bleeding edge integrators, and we were met with resistance there... When they did agree to send samples it was for [two] R9 270&#8217;s, rather than the R9 280's or 290's that we would be more likely to offer...
Moreover, this wasn&#8217;t the first time AMD had done something like this to us. Support from AMD to Origin hasn&#8217;t been where it should be or up to par like we get from other vendors. In my opinion it's due to our size. We don&#8217;t move enough AMD product for them to worry about us. You would think they would work with us to help grow the Origin-AMD business relationship."


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2052...ion-to-so-publicly-dump-amd-video-cards-.html
 

Rvenger

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Yes, but if you make a public statement saying you're not going to be buying products from company A, why would company B offer a better deal? Nvidia will already get 100% of Origin GPU purchases with AMD out of the game, so why would they lower prices? If Nvidia is no longer having to compete with AMD for Origin's business, there's not reason to offer lower prices.


Volume discount is standard practice in distribution, so yes they could get better pricing. It is up to them to pass it on to the customer.
 

smackababy

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So nobody told them anything in advance and they didn't get (as much) free stuff as they wanted. Boo hoo.

More like AMD acted like they didn't care about a vendor, so the vendor dropped them. It makes very little sense to send them 2 test 270s. I know people that use boutique builders like Origin aren't buying budget parts. AMD just didn't treat them as well as their other vendors, so they publicly stated such.
 

AnandThenMan

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AMD just didn't treat them as well as their other vendors, so they publicly stated such.
According to their whiny little baby of a CEO. This guy has no clue how to act professionally, you don't burn your bridges and call out companies in public. What a maroon.
 

smackababy

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According to their whiny little baby of a CEO. This guy has no clue how to act professionally, you don't burn your bridges and call out companies in public. What a maroon.

It's not like it will really effect his business though. It puts their name in the press and Nvidia isn't going to be all like "oh my god! you bad mouthed AMD, we are not selling you cards!".

I honestly thought this thread was about EA's Origin having like downloadable driver updates for AMD cards and removing them.
 

Erenhardt

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It's not like it will really effect his business though. It puts their name in the press and Nvidia isn't going to be all like "oh my god! you bad mouthed AMD, we are not selling you cards!".

I honestly thought this thread was about EA's Origin having like downloadable driver updates for AMD cards and removing them.

What if nvidia screws their next driver release? They will drop nvidia aswell and will offer watercooled multiGPU intel HD graphics solution?
 

smackababy

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If Nvidia screws their next driver release, they can just have the people with problems not upgrade their drivers, or at worst, roll back to a previous driver release.
 

Vesku

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More like AMD acted like they didn't care about a vendor, so the vendor dropped them. It makes very little sense to send them 2 test 270s. I know people that use boutique builders like Origin aren't buying budget parts. AMD just didn't treat them as well as their other vendors, so they publicly stated such.

He didn't say whether he was willing to pay for the samples. Small businesses often have to pay to play while bigger businesses have suppliers doing cartwheels for them.
 

AnandThenMan

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What if at some point Nvidia is way behind like with the Fermi delay? This clown burned his bridge with AMD so what then, he has to wait it out and lose revenue until Nvidia gets their ducks in a row? It's happened before, it could happen again. That's why anyone with a mild amount of business sense doesn't pull this crap. Sure it might help him in the short term, but short term thinking in business is a recipe for failure.
 

smackababy

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He didn't say whether he was willing to pay for the samples. Small businesses often have to pay to play while bigger businesses have suppliers doing cartwheels for them.

You're right, he didn't. But, his reply suggested AMD wasn't acting as 'friendly' as their other vendors. It just seems rather silly for AMD to send their budget bin cards for a company that probably has an average system cost of like $3000-4000. Nobody paying that much scratch is going to use some rebadged budget $200 cards.

And, if AMD was going to only send 2 test cards, if them saving the $1300 of sending two top end cards was worth Origin's entire business, more power to them I guess.
 

Stuka87

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So basically, their CEO whom has the mentality of a 15 year old is whining about not getting free cards before everybody else.

Nobody outside of the AIB's had access to the cards early. This is not abnormal. Small boutique builders typically get cards when reviewers get them. Its not like they are custom manufacturing parts that take a long time to design and build.

They just put parts together so those that have more money than brains don't have to. It really sounds like he got butt hurt over being told they are not going to get cards earlier than anybody else and threw a tantrum.

AnandTech (Whom is FAR higher profile that Origin) only got cards 5 days ago.

It still stands that his original post was more or less a lie. It wasn't for bad support, or driver/hardware issues.
 

Stuka87

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I think he meant bad support from AMD, not bad support for end users.

Oh, thats exactly what he meant if you read his original quote. He went off on how AMD has GPU performance/drivers/stability issues, and requests from their (Origins) support staff.

And then goes off on how nVidia is the best there is.

And now he completely changes his story and says its because they didn't get unreleased cards early.
 

AnandThenMan

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If I ever go to buy a high end pre-built PC (which will be never) it sure as heck won't be from this company.
 

Grooveriding

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lol, this keeps getting better. Now their story is ever evolving and changing. They should of orchestrated this failed attempt at viral PR better. Sad.
 
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