Engineer Gets 110 MPG Out Of '87 Mustang

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Bignate603
I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: episodic
They could do all of this and more if they wanted too

You honestly believe automakers don't want increase their fuel economy? Think about it, all the US automakers are doing terribly, if any of them made a car that got mileage like that they would sell as many as they could make, it would be a cash cow.

Just because you think they SHOULD make cars doesn't change the laws of thermodynamics or the realities of engineering. If you think it's possible then you can make it, I'd buy one.

basically yea just one autocompany buying it would put them ahead of the pack in a way that would make the prius look rather pathetic. course its just not real which is the problem.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: KillerCharlie

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: episodic
They could do all of this and more if they wanted too

You honestly believe automakers don't want increase their fuel economy? Think about it, all the US automakers are doing terribly, if any of them made a car that got mileage like that they would sell as many as they could make, it would be a cash cow.

Just because you think they SHOULD make cars doesn't change the laws of thermodynamics or the realities of engineering. If you think it's possible then you can make it, I'd buy one.

Shhh, don't feed the dumba... err trolls or whatever they call them these days.

I just get ticked off when I run in to people that think if there's something they don't like that it must be a conspiracy. Maybe, just maybe, there is something that they don't understand that explains why it's the way it is. Just because it's not convenient to them doesn't mean that someone is plotting against them or is lazy.

 

[0roo0roo]

i remember a while back 60 minutes ran a segment where they went over to india where some guy claimed that his special cylinder head shape made his engine massively more efficient.
haven't heard about it since

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i remember a while back 60 minutes ran a segment where they went over to india where some guy claimed that his special cylinder head shape made his engine massively more efficient.
haven't heard about it since

That's probably because Exxon and Chevron "made him an offer he couldn't refuse"...

 

[IEC]

Psst... it's probably a 100mpg carburetor. FAIL.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: skywhr
Engineer Gets 110 MPG Out Of '87 Mustang

Change the year and the car, and you have any of many earnest Popular Mechanics or Popular Science articles from the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, '70's or beyond.

. . . NOT TO MENTION the tiny little ads in the back!

 

[randay]

outrageous claims, check.
scientific "facts", check.
no proof, check.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: randay
outrageous claims, check.
scientific "facts", check.
no proof, check.

Well, here's your proof, you naysayer! It's all true because Pelmear says it's true. It has a lot more electronics on it!

Pelmear said the car has 400 horsepower, goes well over 100 mph and can go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds.

"We redesigned a lot of different things on the [engine] block," Pelmear told the paper. "It's still a rod-and-piston engine; it just has a lot more electronics on it."

Pelmear, who lives in Napoleon, Ohio, has tweaked his Mustang to get 110 mpg, making the engine nearly five times as efficient as a traditional gas engine, he told the Toledo Blade newspaper.

Whoa! What's this? As of a scant 3 months ago, no Dougie-Doug or even anyone from the great state of Ohio had even entered this contest!

Paging Mr. Pelmear!

I guess Dougie just recently affixed his "lot more electronics" to his (lol) '87 Mustang.

That boy sure does work fast!!

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° AirShip Technologies Group (Lake Oswego, OR, USA)
° Alpha-Core/Poulsen Hybrid (Bridgeport, CT, USA)
° Aptera Motors (Carlsbad, CA, USA)
° Arkas Automotive (Istanbul, Turkey)
° Avion Car Company (Bellingham, WA, USA)
° Brilliant Automotive, (Fairfield, IA, USA)
° Belloso Motor Company (Salisbury, MD, USA)
° Brilliant Automotive (Southfield, IA, USA)
° Commuter Cars Corp (Spokane, WA, USA)
° Cornell University (Ithaca, NY, USA)
° DEHyds (Tenino, WA, USA)
° Delta Motorsport (Northamptonshire, UK)
° Desert Fuel (Phoenix, AZ, USA)
° Disruptech (Newhall, CA, USA)
° Team Dragonfly (Northampton, UK)
° Electric Truck Inc (Greenwich, CT, USA)
° Energy Highway (Pleasanton, CA, USA)
° Esterer Engineering Ltd. (Vancouver, BC, Canada)
° FuelVapor Technologies BC, (Maple Ridge, BC, Canada)
° Global-E (Mandeville, LA, USA)
° Goodwin-Young ?Linc Volt? (Wichita, KS, USA)
° Greenhouse 2000 (Orlando, FL, USA)
° Gunn Team (San Jose, CA, USA)
° HerfDuo (Berlin, Germany)
° Hybrid Technologies (Mooresville, NC, USA)
° HyKinesys (Rolling Hills Estate, CA, USA)
° ICEwave (Terre Haute, IN, USA)
° Illuminati (Virden, IL, USA)
° Kinetic Vehicles (Creswell, OR, USA)
° Kuttner Doran Innovations (Charlottesville, VA, USA)
° laeN?O (Marshall, NC, USA)
° Loremo (Munich, Germany)
° Lydell Industries (Frewsburg, NY, USA)
° Maine Automotive X (Camden, ME, USA)
° Mann Research & Development, (Benton, KY, USA)

° laeN?O (Marshall, NC, USA)
° Loremo (Munich, Germany)
° Lydell Industries (Frewsburg, NY, USA)
° Maine Automotive X (Camden, ME, USA)
° Mann Research & Development, (Benton, KY, USA)
° MDI and Zero Pollution Motors,, (Nice, France and New Paltz, NY, USA)
° Michigan Vision (Ann Arbor, MI, USA)
° Miles Electric Vehicles (Santa Monica, CA, USA)
° Motive Industries, Inc. (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)
° MotoTron Disrupt (Oshkosh, WI, USA)
° Northwest Energy Research Association (Arlington, WA, USA)
° Phoenix Motorcars (Ontario, CA, USA)
° Physics Lab of Lake Havasu (Lake Havasu, AZ, USA)
° Porteon Electric Vehicles, Inc. (Portland, OR, USA)
° Prometheus Systems (Flagstaff, AZ, USA)
° Psycho-Active (Moore, SC, USA)
° RaceAbout Association (Helsinki Finland)
° Red Light Racing (RLR) (Callaway, MD, USA)
° Revolución Motors (Lawrence, KS, USA)
° Society for Sustainable Mobility (Beverly Hills, CA, USA)
° Spirit One (Alberta, CA, USA)
° T3 Motion (Costa Mesa, CA, USA)
° Team TWIKE IV (Germany)
° Tesla Motors (San Carlos, CA, USA)
° Tilting Vehicle Australia (Kilburn, Australia)
° TriTrack (Georgetown, TX, USA)
° USA Electric Cars, LLC (Cortland, NY, USA)
° Valentin Technologies (Elm Grove, WI, USA)
° Velozzi (Beverly Hills, CA, USA)
° Venture Vehicles (Beverly Hills, CA, USA)
° Visionary Vehicles (New York, NY, USA)
° West Philly Hybrid X Team (Philadelphia, PA, USA)
° Western Washington University/Vikings (Bellingham, WA, USA)
° X Tracer Team Switzerland (Winterthur, Switzerland)
° ZAP (Santa Rosa, CA, USA)

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: randay
outrageous claims, check.
scientific "facts", check.
no proof, check.

These people seem to be a dime a dozen these days making outrageous claims that they somehow figured something out themselves that no car company in the world could.

I remember one guy making a water/gasoline hybrid. That was hilarious he creates a "water" powered engine and for some reasons still wants a gasoline engine with it making it a hybrid. Some local news station covered that as well though. lol

 

[Perknose]

And LOOK! Doug's so fast, he's already had his self-promotional blurb kicked off Wikipedia!.




Here's another take on his story:

A Toledo, Ohio-area mechanic is claiming to have a miracle breakthrough originally conceived by his grandfather more than 60 years ago. The development has supposedly been installed on Doug Pelmear's 1987 Ford Mustang and allows it to achieve 80-110mpg, depending on which story you believe. Personally, I'm not inclined to believe either story. Particularly since Pelmear also claims that the Mustang now produces 400hp and 500lb-ft of torque and accelerates from 0-60mph in 3 seconds with a top speed of 180mph. 400hp would not be nearly enough to move a Fox-body Mustang of this vintage through the air at that speed nor would it give the car that kind of acceleration especially not while achieving that kind of fuel efficiency.

A Toledo TV station visited with Pelmear and reporter Aaron Brilbeck decided that any hint of skepticism or even probing questions about exactly how this machine works would be inappropriate. The Mustang does have E85 stickers on it, although using ethanol would be unlikely to be beneficial unless the mileage number is based purely on the amount of gasoline used directly as fuel and ignoring the ethanol. Pelmear apparently intends to enter his car in the Automotive X-Prize, where a few more probing questions will be asked.

Doug has been a bit short on answers.

What radical technology did Mr. Pelmear introduce? His patents are not fully in place, but he said it mostly is a matter of electronics and precision.

From another: "Pelmear won't show us under the hood."

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Perknose
And LOOK! Doug's so fast, he's already had his self-promotional blurb kicked off Wikipedia!.




Here's another take on his story:

A Toledo, Ohio-area mechanic is claiming to have a miracle breakthrough originally conceived by his grandfather more than 60 years ago. The development has supposedly been installed on Doug Pelmear's 1987 Ford Mustang and allows it to achieve 80-110mpg, depending on which story you believe. Personally, I'm not inclined to believe either story. Particularly since Pelmear also claims that the Mustang now produces 400hp and 500lb-ft of torque and accelerates from 0-60mph in 3 seconds with a top speed of 180mph. 400hp would not be nearly enough to move a Fox-body Mustang of this vintage through the air at that speed nor would it give the car that kind of acceleration especially not while achieving that kind of fuel efficiency.

A Toledo TV station visited with Pelmear and reporter Aaron Brilbeck decided that any hint of skepticism or even probing questions about exactly how this machine works would be inappropriate. The Mustang does have E85 stickers on it, although using ethanol would be unlikely to be beneficial unless the mileage number is based purely on the amount of gasoline used directly as fuel and ignoring the ethanol. Pelmear apparently intends to enter his car in the Automotive X-Prize, where a few more probing questions will be asked.

Doug has been a bit short on answers.

What radical technology did Mr. Pelmear introduce? His patents are not fully in place, but he said it mostly is a matter of electronics and precision.

From another: "Pelmear won't show us under the hood."

Oh, I get it now. Electronics AND precision! Duh!

 

[Chiropteran]

It's got what engines crave! It's got electronics!

 

[SSSnail]

He could have just gotten as much powers and fuel efficiency if he put two stickers on it; one reads "Save the Earth" and the other "Powered by <insert after market parts maker of choice>".

He obviously hasn't considered the effects of efficiently engineered stickers.

 

[mattlear]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
It's got what engines crave! It's got electronics!

Lol... idiocracy!

 

[Greenman]

I have no problem believing the car gets a 100mpg, under specific conditions. The issue is going to be that those conditions don't exist outside of the laboratory.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Greenman
I have no problem believing the car gets a 100mpg, under specific conditions. The issue is going to be that those conditions don't exist outside of the laboratory.

downhill with the engine off isn't outside of a laboratory?

 

[Engineer]

Any comments on Hydraulic hybrids? (nothing to do with OP...just didn't want to start another thread).

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Any comments on Hydraulic hybrids? (nothing to do with OP...just didn't want to start another thread).

I LOVE the concept. I think that, once we truly get serious about fuel efficency -- something we should have been doing since the very first oil crisis in the early '70's -- we will truly achieve breaktakingly positive results. They just won't appear in a stickered-up 1987 Mustang whose owner won't let anyone look under the hood.

Sweet Jeebus, it's been 40 years now, but WE WENT TO THE DAMN MOON! Nothing is easy; everything is ultimately achievable! :thumbsup:

Nothing good comes without some sacrifice and one ton of determination. We have let our politicians pander us into believing otherwise.

True patriotism doesn't come from finding scapegoats among the less fortunate in our country to hate and blame for our problems. It does not come from turning our back on our blue collar workers like they were so much disposable collateral damage.

Sorry, I know this isn't P&N, but George Bush and Dick Cheney are moral midgets still in bed with the Saudis and Exxon. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, for all his faults, was a LEADER and a MAN who said, in paraphrase:

"Ask not what tax cuts for the already well off your country can give you, Ask what YOU can do for your country."

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Engineer
Any comments on Hydraulic hybrids? (nothing to do with OP...just didn't want to start another thread).

I LOVE the concept. I think that, once we truly get serious about fuel efficency -- something we should have been doing since the very first oil crisis in the early '70's -- we will truly achieve breaktakingly positive results. They just won't appear in a stickered-up 1987 Mustang whose owner won't let anyone look under the hood.

Sweet Jeebus, it's been 40 years now, but WE WENT TO THE DAMN MOON! Nothing is easy; everything is ultimately achievable! :thumbsup:

Nothing good comes without some sacrifice and one ton of determination. We have let our politicians pander us into believing otherwise.

While reading the article of the modified vehicles and their before and after mpg's (after being converted to hydraulic hybrids), I was thinking that if one could combine such a hybrid with a 6 stroke engine (assuming they get the better mileage that I've read about), it would be possible to achieve a vehicle of decent size and weight and yet get nearly 100mpg with little or no power losses. I know...I know...I'm sure others have thought of these ideas and may be working on them as we (I) speak. Makes for good conversation especially when so many are talking. When many talk, action usually follows at some point.

 

[biggestmuff]

I guess I have to repeat myself. The claim isn't for 110 MPG. It's for 110 MPGe.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
I guess I have to repeat myself. The claim isn't for 110 MPG. It's for 110 MPGe.

No need to repeat (at least on my part) as I read your reply and understood the first time. However, the technologies I'm talking about above have indeed produced 100+ mpg cars and involve nothing more than mechanical changes (no chemical reaction, no batteries other than original car battery, etc.).

 

[Fritzo]

Wholey crap! This guy is a client of mine! I'll have to talk with him and see what's up.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Perknose
And LOOK! Doug's so fast, he's already had his self-promotional blurb kicked off Wikipedia!.




Here's another take on his story:

A Toledo, Ohio-area mechanic is claiming to have a miracle breakthrough originally conceived by his grandfather more than 60 years ago. The development has supposedly been installed on Doug Pelmear's 1987 Ford Mustang and allows it to achieve 80-110mpg, depending on which story you believe. Personally, I'm not inclined to believe either story. Particularly since Pelmear also claims that the Mustang now produces 400hp and 500lb-ft of torque and accelerates from 0-60mph in 3 seconds with a top speed of 180mph. 400hp would not be nearly enough to move a Fox-body Mustang of this vintage through the air at that speed nor would it give the car that kind of acceleration especially not while achieving that kind of fuel efficiency.

A Toledo TV station visited with Pelmear and reporter Aaron Brilbeck decided that any hint of skepticism or even probing questions about exactly how this machine works would be inappropriate. The Mustang does have E85 stickers on it, although using ethanol would be unlikely to be beneficial unless the mileage number is based purely on the amount of gasoline used directly as fuel and ignoring the ethanol. Pelmear apparently intends to enter his car in the Automotive X-Prize, where a few more probing questions will be asked.

Doug has been a bit short on answers.

What radical technology did Mr. Pelmear introduce? His patents are not fully in place, but he said it mostly is a matter of electronics and precision.

From another: "Pelmear won't show us under the hood."

I talk to him about once every three months. He IS a bit of a nutball.

 

[dmcowen674]

7-3-2008 $50,000 VW 8.5 HP diesel gets 235 MPG

With gas prices going through the roof and regulators requiring cars to be ever more miserly, Volkswagen is bringing new meaning to the term "fuel efficiency" with a bullet-shaped microcar that gets a stunning 235 mpg.

Volkswagen's had its super-thrifty One-Liter Car concept vehicle -- so named because that's how much fuel it needs to go 100 kilometers -- stashed away for six years. The body's made of carbon fiber to minimize weight (the entire car weighs just 660 pounds) and company execs didn't expect the material to become cheap enough to produce the car until 2012.

But VW's decided to build the car two years ahead of schedule.

VW's engineers -- who spent three years developing the car -- made extensive use of magnesium, titanium and aluminum to bring it in at less than one-third the weight of a Toyota Echo. According to Canadian Driver, the front suspension assembly weighs just 18 pounds. The six-speed transmission features a magnesium case, titanium bolts and hollow gears; it weighs a tad more than 50 pounds. The 16-inch wheels are carbon fiber. The magnesium steering wheel weighs a little more than a pound. How much of the concept car's exotic hardware makes it to the production model remains to be seen.

As for the engine, the concept had a one-cylinder diesel engine producing 8.5 horsepower and 13.5 foot-pounds of torque. Car says the production model will use a two-cylinder turbodiesel for a little more oomph. Doubling the number of cylinders is sure to cut fuel economy, so VW may install a diesel-hybrid drivetrain. The engine turns off at stop lights to save fuel, then automatically restarts when the driver depresses the accelerator pedal.