"engineering is a real major"

[DAGTA]

Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah
Wow. Just wow. Try being a Philosophy Major and reading through any of our stuff. Easy my ass.

*took a littl bit of offense to that*

Philosophy of Physics... come on... what can you expect from such a class. I just needed it to complete my humanity requirements. The philosophy of math was a little harder since it used notation I never saw before and expected you to understand it. (like the upside down A to mean 'for all' and the backwards E to mean 'there exists').

Meh - I didn't say Philosophy of Physics - I mean, a true, non-watered-down-for-the-idiot-lowerclassman-kick-you-in-the-balls 300 level philosophy class. Just pure philosophy. Like metaphysics, for instance.

But I was talking about philosophy of physics so there's no need to get offended.

01:730:426. PHILOSOPHY OF PHYSICS (3)
Prerequisites: One course in physics and one course in philosophy other than
Methodology of the physical sciences. Philosophical problems of space and time, measurement, and causation in modern physics.

When you have a person with a strong physics background taking philosophy of physics, all it becomes is physics without much math. That is what I was poking fun at. I have to admit that THAT class was alot of fun to take. It made me seriously consider the empirical belief system, something like "Things that can never be observed or measured is the same thing as not existing at all."

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I dunno about you... but Art is pretty hard for me....

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I have to disagree. I think a significant number of people would find Philosophy fine when compared to many other majors.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I have to disagree. I think a significant number of people would find Philosophy fine when compared to many other majors.

Most people are confused by logic.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: BlamoHammer
I'll start laughing when all of the engineering majors graduate with their impressive technical knowledge and then they are told what to do by a business major who is their boss.

you sir, are an idiot.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I dunno about you... but Art is pretty hard for me....

I guess it's up to the eye of the beholder, I suppose. Art is one of the easiest subjects for me. And as for math; you learn the equation, memorize when to use it, and you just plug in the numbers. How hard is that? I didn't have to take any math classes for my gen ed. because I scored ridiculously high on my ACT.

This is a perfect example, IMO - some people have problems in some subject areas, others in others - I just don't like it when people write their opinions, which are mere opinions and nothing more, as fact.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I have to disagree. I think a significant number of people would find Philosophy fine when compared to many other majors.

Most people are confused by logic.

Yes, but I think more people would be even more confused with even more courses when dealing with many other majors.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Jehovah
And as for math; you learn the equation, memorize when to use it, and you just plug in the numbers. How hard is that?

Maybe you should think about taking some mathematics courses if you think it's only what you described.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I have to disagree. I think a significant number of people would find Philosophy fine when compared to many other majors.

Most people are confused by logic.

Yes, but I think more people would be even more confused with even more courses when dealing with many other majors.

If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
engineering students are usually very arrogant

I don't think I am. I mean, English majors can write stuff that I will never be able to write. Art majors can create stuff I probably never could. Some majors are just flat out pointless though.

Which ones are pointless?

In order to not offend anybody I would not point them out. It's only my opinion anyway. I didn't mean to write pointless, maybe just easy.

If you find everything but engineering to be a cakewalk, why would anyone else be offended by mentioning those areas of study? Are you just in engineering for the challenge since you have mastered everything else?

Seriously, post a couple. I bet you're just an elitist prick.

Don't put words in my mouth, i never said everything but engineering is a cakewalk. Pre-professional programs (premed, prepharm, etc etc) are pretty hard. Math, Physics, Chemistry, CS are all hard majors.

Can you put a business grad with no prior engineering experience in an engineering position? Most likely not. Can liberal arts majors do engineering work (or math, physics, chemistry work for that matter), NO. With an engineering degree you're much more capable of doing many jobs even outside of engineering because engineers SOLVE PROBLEMS.

I'll stop reading the thread here. In my experience engineers cause problems that can be easily figured out with a little common sense.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

Sure, but I think more people would get logic than other basic courses.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Anyone that thinks all majors are equal in difficulty has either never been to college or has taken an easy major. There is nothing wrong with having an easy major IF IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN LIFE, but it's foolish to think there aren't majors that are harder than others.

Agreed - but I still refuse to even consider to think that ALL liberal arts majors are easy. Art is easy. Hell, math is easy for me. Philosophy, however, is a nutbuster-of a major. I'd think Philosophy is one of the hardest classes to learn.

I dunno about you... but Art is pretty hard for me....

I guess it's up to the eye of the beholder, I suppose. Art is one of the easiest subjects for me. And as for math; you learn the equation, memorize when to use it, and you just plug in the numbers. How hard is that? I didn't have to take any math classes for my gen ed. because I scored ridiculously high on my ACT.

This is a perfect example, IMO - some people have problems in some subject areas, others in others - I just don't like it when people write their opinions, which are mere opinions and nothing more, as fact.

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
engineering students are usually very arrogant

I don't think I am. I mean, English majors can write stuff that I will never be able to write. Art majors can create stuff I probably never could. Some majors are just flat out pointless though.

Which ones are pointless?

In order to not offend anybody I would not point them out. It's only my opinion anyway. I didn't mean to write pointless, maybe just easy.

If you find everything but engineering to be a cakewalk, why would anyone else be offended by mentioning those areas of study? Are you just in engineering for the challenge since you have mastered everything else?

Seriously, post a couple. I bet you're just an elitist prick.

Don't put words in my mouth, i never said everything but engineering is a cakewalk. Pre-professional programs (premed, prepharm, etc etc) are pretty hard. Math, Physics, Chemistry, CS are all hard majors.

Can you put a business grad with no prior engineering experience in an engineering position? Most likely not. Can liberal arts majors do engineering work (or math, physics, chemistry work for that matter), NO. With an engineering degree you're much more capable of doing many jobs even outside of engineering because engineers SOLVE PROBLEMS.

I'll stop reading the thread here. In my experience engineers cause problems that can be easily figured out with a little common sense.

"If it ain't broken... there aren't enough features!!!"

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

Sure, but I think more people would get logic than other basic courses.

I disagree, but it would be tough to find out for sure. :beer:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

Sure, but I think more people would get logic than other basic courses.

I disagree, but it would be tough to find out for sure. :beer:

I wonder if drop-out rates would be available according to majors. That could be a decent indication.

However, it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

Well, if you're asking how far did he go, he only went 40 miles from the starting point.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

Well, if you're asking how far did he go, he only went 40 miles from the starting point.

Total distance travelled.

Actually.. it ok. After some thinking, there's no point in putting you on the spot like this. It's not very polite. Regardless, I took philosophy classes that I had a good chance in. Discrete Logic, Logic and Reasoning, Philosophy of Math and Physics. So my experience in philosophy has been a good one.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

Sure, but I think more people would get logic than other basic courses.

I disagree, but it would be tough to find out for sure. :beer:

I wonder if drop-out rates would be available according to majors. That could be a decent indication.

However, it's not that big of a deal.

I think there are too many factors in dropping out than just hard classes. My classes were never hard and I dropped out.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

Sure, but I think more people would get logic than other basic courses.

I disagree, but it would be tough to find out for sure. :beer:

I wonder if drop-out rates would be available according to majors. That could be a decent indication.

However, it's not that big of a deal.

I think there are too many factors in dropping out than just hard classes. My classes were never hard and I dropped out.

Sure, but I think it would provide a general idea. Such explanations would be possible and evident for people of all majors.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

Well, if you're asking how far did he go, he only went 40 miles from the starting point.

Total distance travelled.

Dude, I've just driven ~10 hours today. Don't expect me to do math equations here. I made my point about what bothers me (opinion /= fact), you've agreed; can't we leave this well alone? [/weaseling out]

(But seriously, I had to drive 10 hours today, nevermind the fact that I had to go back and forth to Kinkos for a SINGLE FRIGGIN' JOB cause they don't know how to measure apparently, and my brain is mush right now . . ..)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
If they don't get logic, the rest of the philosophy courses are meaningless.

Sure, but I think more people would get logic than other basic courses.

I disagree, but it would be tough to find out for sure. :beer:

I wonder if drop-out rates would be available according to majors. That could be a decent indication.

However, it's not that big of a deal.

I think there are too many factors in dropping out than just hard classes. My classes were never hard and I dropped out.

Sure, but I think it would provide a general idea. Such explanations would be possible and evident for people of all majors.

What about a survey of various majors in a basic logic course? See how engineers, mathematicians, liberal arts, english, etc. students do in the course.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

Well, if you're asking how far did he go, he only went 40 miles from the starting point.

Total distance travelled.

Dude, I've just driven ~10 hours today. Don't expect me to do math equations here. I made my point about what bothers me (opinion /= fact), you've agreed; can't we leave this well alone? [/weaseling out]

(But seriously, I had to drive 10 hours today, nevermind the fact that I had to go back and forth to Kinkos for a SINGLE FRIGGIN' JOB cause they don't know how to measure apparently, and my brain is mush right now . . ..)

*nod* I took back the challenge in the above post. In case you're curious, I liked this puzzle because real 'mathy' people would do it the hard way. The easy way is this.

How long does it take for the cars to collide. 4 hrs
Since the bee is always flying at 40mph.. it'll go a total of 160 miles.. neato eh?

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

Well, if you're asking how far did he go, he only went 40 miles from the starting point.

Total distance travelled.

Dude, I've just driven ~10 hours today. Don't expect me to do math equations here. I made my point about what bothers me (opinion /= fact), you've agreed; can't we leave this well alone? [/weaseling out]

(But seriously, I had to drive 10 hours today, nevermind the fact that I had to go back and forth to Kinkos for a SINGLE FRIGGIN' JOB cause they don't know how to measure apparently, and my brain is mush right now . . ..)

*nod* I took back the challenge in the above post. In case you're curious, I liked this puzzle because real 'mathy' people would do it the hard way. The easy way is this.

How long does it take for the cars to collide. 4 hrs
Since the bee is always flying at 40mph.. it'll go a total of 160 miles.. neato eh?

*edit: damn - you're quicker than me!*