"engineering is a real major"

[CanOWorms]

I've always thought of Philosophy and PoliSci as the easiest majors (not saying that they're useless) for people in general.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What about a survey of various majors in a basic logic course? See how engineers, mathematicians, liberal arts, english, etc. students do in the course.

That wouldn't really mean much without a comparison within other majors. You would have to show how a philosophy student does in an engineering or physics course.

I think drop out rates would be the best and easiest to find.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Just a little evaluation:

You have two cars moving towards each other starting 140 miles apart, one at 10mph and the other at 25mph. A bee that starts on 10mph car flies at 40mph to the other car. When he reaches it, he turns around and flies back to the first car.. back.. and forth and back and forth until the cars meet. How far did he go?

But I agree... easy and hard are subjective words and so the statement "blah is HARD" or "blah is EASY" can never be a fact and only opinions.

Well, if you're asking how far did he go, he only went 40 miles from the starting point.

Total distance travelled.

Dude, I've just driven ~10 hours today. Don't expect me to do math equations here. I made my point about what bothers me (opinion /= fact), you've agreed; can't we leave this well alone? [/weaseling out]

(But seriously, I had to drive 10 hours today, nevermind the fact that I had to go back and forth to Kinkos for a SINGLE FRIGGIN' JOB cause they don't know how to measure apparently, and my brain is mush right now . . ..)

Kinkos is hiring the engineers that couldn't find a job.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What about a survey of various majors in a basic logic course? See how engineers, mathematicians, liberal arts, english, etc. students do in the course.

That wouldn't really mean much without a comparison within other majors. You would have to show how a philosophy student does in an engineering or physics course.

I think drop out rates would be the best and easiest to find.

Well.. I can vouch on one professor's experience. He found that engineers suffered in his psychology class the most. It was a class called personality psychology... let the jokes begin!

<---- was a victim

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've always thought of Philosophy and PoliSci as the easiest majors (not saying that they're useless) for people in general.

Wow. If only this was true. Is this true in your university? 'Cause, if it's true, than I'm going there:

Also, you have to consider other factors - if you go to U of Illnois, for instance, of course their Engineering degree is going to be hard - they're one of the top schools for that in the US - I think if you go to any of the school known for some degree, then that said degree's automatically going to be a nutbuster of a major.

But, at the same time, their Aerial Aviation Majors are the easeist on the U of I campus, I believe. Go figure.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think the general impression is that Philosophy is an easy major. No offense. It looks like your school is different. Where do/did you attend?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've always thought of Philosophy and PoliSci as the easiest majors (not saying that they're useless) for people in general.

Wow. If only this was true. Is this true in your university? 'Cause, if it's true, than I'm going there:

Also, you have to consider other factors - if you go to U of Illnois, for instance, of course their Engineering degree is going to be hard - they're one of the top schools for that in the US - I think if you go to any of the school known for some degree, then that said degree's automatically going to be a nutbuster of a major.

But, at the same time, their Aerial Aviation Majors are the easeist on the U of I campus, I believe. Go figure.

I think it's true at most universities.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think the general impression is that Philosophy is an easy major. No offense. It looks like your school is different. Where do/did you attend?

I am going to attend Illinois State University - but I think it's a little bit more than that - the thing is, unlike a lot of the hard sciences, Philosophy is very, very interpretive, and hence, very flexible; Philosophy classes for the masses (non-majors) tend to be really lenient because there is a lot of prerequisite knowledge required for the subjects most students are interested in, so they kinda fudge it and let it go . . . and since Philosophy is very interpretive, professors can get away with giving students better grades depending on how much they actually improve throughout the semester, other than just giving out grades based upon a hard, set-in-stone grading system.

I think the challenge comes from that, mostly. The fact that you have to show that you're making actual progress throughout the semester in understanding the material.

 

[alphatarget1]

mathematics is NOT just formulas.

that is just like saying that philosophy is just reading.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
mathematics is NOT just formulas.

that is just like saying that philosophy is just reading.

Kinda like saying "Yeah, any non-technical disclipine are easy as hell"?

 

[kerokeroppi82]

I'd do comp sci over physics or math any day...to each their own I guess

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think the general impression is that Philosophy is an easy major. No offense. It looks like your school is different. Where do/did you attend?

I am going to attend Illinois State University - but I think it's a little bit more than that - the thing is, unlike a lot of the hard sciences, Philosophy is very, very interpretive, and hence, very flexible; Philosophy classes for the masses (non-majors) tend to be really lenient because there is a lot of prerequisite knowledge required for the subjects most students are interested in, so they kinda fudge it and let it go . . . and since Philosophy is very interpretive, professors can get away with giving students better grades depending on how much they actually improve throughout the semester, other than just giving out grades based upon a hard, set-in-stone grading system.

I think the challenge comes from that, mostly. The fact that you have to show that you're making actual progress throughout the semester in understanding the material.

Are you going to double major? I don't know many philosophy majors so perhaps this is why I say the next statement. I always viewed philosophy as a tool to understand or develop ideas. But I think to be truly useful, you need to have a 2nd focus like physics, law, politics or something.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think the general impression is that Philosophy is an easy major. No offense. It looks like your school is different. Where do/did you attend?

I am going to attend Illinois State University - but I think it's a little bit more than that - the thing is, unlike a lot of the hard sciences, Philosophy is very, very interpretive, and hence, very flexible; Philosophy classes for the masses (non-majors) tend to be really lenient because there is a lot of prerequisite knowledge required for the subjects most students are interested in, so they kinda fudge it and let it go . . . and since Philosophy is very interpretive, professors can get away with giving students better grades depending on how much they actually improve throughout the semester, other than just giving out grades based upon a hard, set-in-stone grading system.

I think the challenge comes from that, mostly. The fact that you have to show that you're making actual progress throughout the semester in understanding the material.

Are you going to double major? I don't know many philosophy majors so perhaps this is why I say the next statement. I always viewed philosophy as a tool to understand or develop ideas. But I think to be truly useful, you need to have a 2nd focus like physics, law, politics or something.

That sort of seems like what a lot of people (not me personally) think of math and sometimes physics.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I think the general impression is that Philosophy is an easy major. No offense. It looks like your school is different. Where do/did you attend?

I am going to attend Illinois State University - but I think it's a little bit more than that - the thing is, unlike a lot of the hard sciences, Philosophy is very, very interpretive, and hence, very flexible; Philosophy classes for the masses (non-majors) tend to be really lenient because there is a lot of prerequisite knowledge required for the subjects most students are interested in, so they kinda fudge it and let it go . . . and since Philosophy is very interpretive, professors can get away with giving students better grades depending on how much they actually improve throughout the semester, other than just giving out grades based upon a hard, set-in-stone grading system.

I think the challenge comes from that, mostly. The fact that you have to show that you're making actual progress throughout the semester in understanding the material.

Are you going to double major? I don't know many philosophy majors so perhaps this is why I say the next statement. I always viewed philosophy as a tool to understand or develop ideas. But I think to be truly useful, you need to have a 2nd focus like physics, law, politics or something.

No - but you're right - it does put a different perspective on things - it's a very useful major for anyone going into grad school, any major, and we tend to score higher on corporate tests since we're very interpretive and are used to reading really abstract out-there sh!t (so they looove us) - but having one major in philosophy is a big enough challenge for me at this point.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What about a survey of various majors in a basic logic course? See how engineers, mathematicians, liberal arts, english, etc. students do in the course.

That wouldn't really mean much without a comparison within other majors. You would have to show how a philosophy student does in an engineering or physics course.

I think drop out rates would be the best and easiest to find.

Perhaps, but I still don't think drop out rates would tell us much of anything. Too many variables.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
What about a survey of various majors in a basic logic course? See how engineers, mathematicians, liberal arts, english, etc. students do in the course.

That wouldn't really mean much without a comparison within other majors. You would have to show how a philosophy student does in an engineering or physics course.

I think drop out rates would be the best and easiest to find.

Perhaps, but I still don't think drop out rates would tell us much of anything. Too many variables.

Yes, but those variables would be the same for all majors and we are looking at this from a rate based sense.

I'm not saying that it is perfect, but it will provide some insight into this topic.

 

[Rainsford]

This is kind of funny because I was just talking about this with my brother. I give him a lot of crap because he's majoring in journalism and I'm in computer engineering. I view his major as a slacker major, while mine requires actual work. He of course protests that journalism is just as difficult, but in a different way. Fine, I said, if we were planning on switching majors right now, which one of us would be more worried?

A valid question for all the non-technical people who think engineers just whine a lot.

 

[Dragnov]

You know which President was an engineer? Jimmy Carter. And he took that engineering brain to the White House, and look how well that turn out right?

"I took a harder class than you!"
Ooooooh! Here's your cookie.

My dick is still bigger than yours though. :roll:

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
You know which President was an engineer? Jimmy Carter. And he took that engineering brain to the White House, and look how well that turn out right?

"I took a harder class than you!"
Ooooooh! Here's your cookie.

My dick is still bigger than yours though. :roll:

:thumbsup:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
You know which President was an engineer? Jimmy Carter. And he took that engineering brain to the White House, and look how well that turn out right?

"I took a harder class than you!"
Ooooooh! Here's your cookie.

My dick is still bigger than yours though. :roll:

Touche. But please remember that it's not "a" harder class. As an engineer, I feel safe in assuming almost every class I take is harder than what you take. Don't get all defensive about it, but this whole idea of all majors are equal is pretty hard to defend.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Dragnov
You know which President was an engineer? Jimmy Carter. And he took that engineering brain to the White House, and look how well that turn out right?

"I took a harder class than you!"
Ooooooh! Here's your cookie.

My dick is still bigger than yours though. :roll:

<---- sucks at history. What was the major setback in the Carter administration?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
engineering students are usually very arrogant

Especially towards the business majors, guys who they'll be begging raises from for the rest of their lives.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
engineering students are usually very arrogant

Especially towards the business majors, guys who they'll be begging raises from for the rest of their lives.

Exactly where would I find these business majors? I have never even seen one in my past internships.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
engineering students are usually very arrogant

Especially towards the business majors, guys who they'll be begging raises from for the rest of their lives.

hhaha..... what a joke

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
I love engineering majors... they choose to take on an exceptionally difficult major, then all they do is bitch about how easy others are.

Nope, I just used to laugh when the liberal arts guys bitched about how hard their stuff was