"engineering is a real major"

[Mani]

Originally posted by: spidey07
All I'm really saying is engineers typically don't move into management.

They simply don't have the skills, training or education to do so.

Sure it happens. But again in my experience in fortune 100 companies it is rare.

managers don't engineer. They manage.

Directors don't engineer, they direct.

And all of your classes will never teach you how to manage or how to direct.

Why do you think "dilbert" seems to be so dead on? Pointy haired boss isn't an engineer, he has a BA and as such learned budgeting, managing people and performance, etc.

The only engineers that don't move up in companies are those with few to no social skills. Engineers with solid communication and leadership skills are among the most valued commodities in the workforce today because they bring an strong analytical and technical background in addition to management qualities. I work for a fortune 50 company and there are people with engineering backgrounds all the way up to the very highest levels of management here.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: benchiu
Engineering is a joke, you're just too stupid.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting your engineering degree? Podunk U?

 

[MrDudeMan]

just to chime in...the company i worked at was engineers all the way up.

 

[ActuaryTm]

As a mathematics undergraduate many years ago, had a Numerical Analysis professor who began the first day with the following introduction:

"Good morning. Those of you who are engineering majors, computer science majors, or any other non-mathematics majors will want to take your leave immediately, drop this class and add MAD 3301 instead [which I believe was Introduction to Numerical Analysis for non-majors]; otherwise, you will feel sorely out of place here, as we will not be dumbing-down any of the material."

Was all I could do not to burst out laughing as several disgruntled students left the room.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm
As a mathematics undergraduate many years ago, had a Numerical Analysis professor who began the first day with the following introduction:

"Good morning. Those of you who are engineering majors, computer science majors, or any other non-mathematics majors will want to take your leave immediately, drop this class and add MAD 3301 instead [which I believe was Introduction to Numerical Analysis for non-majors]; otherwise, you will feel sorely out of place here, as we will not be dumbing-down any of the material."

Was all I could do not to burst out laughing as several disgruntled students left the room.

I didn't know which multivariable calc class to take, since I AP'd out of the first two semesters, and so I attended all three possibilities for the first week.

Multivariable Calc for Math/Science/Engineers: It was ok.
Honors Multivariable Calc for Math: It was ok but it went FREAKING FAST!!!
Honors Multivariable Calc for Engineers: Easy... but only because it was a small class.

Oh and I purposely chose the Numerical Analysis class for computer science majors instead of the math version. Hahaha.. it was so easy.

 

[LongAce]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm
As a mathematics undergraduate many years ago, had a Numerical Analysis professor who began the first day with the following introduction:

"Good morning. Those of you who are engineering majors, computer science majors, or any other non-mathematics majors will want to take your leave immediately, drop this class and add MAD 3301 instead [which I believe was Introduction to Numerical Analysis for non-majors]; otherwise, you will feel sorely out of place here, as we will not be dumbing-down any of the material."

Was all I could do not to burst out laughing as several disgruntled students left the room.

Many years ago? How long... 50 years. You're an old ass.

 

[klah]

EE failures become Business majors. Business failures become Communications majors. When they fail they move back home.

 

[alphatarget1]

out of curiosity, which engineering disclipines are you guys in?

I met this guy in my geology class today and he was an ex-business major, now he's doing engineering/physics because "business is a joke". I welcomed him to the dark side...

 

[Mday]

I graduated with a degree in EE and math from 2 different schools. Currently looking for work. I dont know about your schools, but both degrees were easy. No real challenge at all.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: LongAce
Many years ago? How long... 50 years. You're an old ass.

Terribly old. About to spill into three decades of age.

Do adore how this judgement was based on empirical evidence - engineering major perchance?

 

[CarpeDeo]

When Humanities Majors take Engineering Classes

Humanities major: "I understood everything until the Jesus fish started shooting laser beams at the horseshoe."

Engineering major: "Uhhh . . . that was alpha equals omega."

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Multivariable Calc for Math/Science/Engineers: It was ok.
Honors Multivariable Calc for Math: It was ok but it went FREAKING FAST!!!
Honors Multivariable Calc for Engineers: Easy... but only because it was a small class.
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I bet. I took Multi/vector calc during a 8wk summer seession that finished in 7 1/2 wks and it was a bitch.

 

[Goosemaster]

From what I have learned, engineering focuses on the analytical and the exact. Biology and other medical fields seem to focus on memorization, but honestly, I do not know a lot about bio.

Communications/English seem to be more subjective in that they might grade a document based on the quality of the demonstration of skill rather than the demonstration of comprehension such as my math classes.

Business, from what I have observed, focuses on being able to execute processees dynamically in a dynamic enviroment.


Basically, I find that Eng/Phys/Math are more demanding in terms of a certain type of logic while other majors focus on a different logic....lol...continuing like little schpeal is not worth it

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: BlamoHammer
I'll start laughing when all of the engineering majors graduate with their impressive technical knowledge and then they are told what to do by a business major who is their boss.

huh? Would it make more sense if the boss has an engineer background?

 

[Fabkid]

blah blah blah... im bored...

 

[Chaotic42]

Math isn't hard for me.
Chemistry isn't hard for me.

Philosophy would kick my butt up and down the campus.

Difficulty just depends on the person.

 

[XNice]

engineering students work hard to be offered jobs by business majors when they get otu of college. hence the scorn and resentment that is traditional of engineers, especially when forced to memorize 40 pages of EE nonsense while the IST major is playing counterstrike off a server he runs and actually makes money off of. LOL



jus jokes...lol..

 

[Goosemaster]

In the end, realize that there is no point in criticizing "easy" majors (if you get off on that stuff keep it to yourself). Their existance epitomizes the success of our nation, and many times leads to the production of some of our most valued byproducts.

All of our citizens may be important, regardless of their education, be it a dropout after 6 years such as John Steinbeck who won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1963, a non-attendant of college such as Jack London who wrote such treasures as "the Call of the Wild," or a Political Science major such as former President Wilson who was awarded the Nobel Peace prize in 1919. We need them just as much as the engineers. They are the fruit of a fruitful nation. Hell, many of the engineers are fruits of the nation. It may seem clear to some that their fields of study seem simpler, but it is important to understand that many majors require a developed society to exist and thrive, while engineering and such are designed to rely on nothing but pencil and paper. To thrive, artists need the brushes ready, writers need drama from their world, politicians need a desire for change, and businessmen need a good economy. Engineering is designed to make you self-suffiecent, a walking calculator if you will, but that does not make it "special" in an of its own. Many non-technical majors require no such self-sufficiency, so at first glance, they seem "easier" and less worthy of praise.

I think most people are in agreement when I say that potential has been proven to be quite limitless, regardless of your major. To criticize and even chastize someone for their choices in life because they do not fall in line with your vision of achieving greatness is a great injustice, even if it is perfectly human.

 

[TooOne21]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
engineering students are usually very arrogant

HA!! Students... You should try working with "Professional" Engineers! :thumbsdown:

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: XNice
engineering students work hard to be offered jobs by business majors when they get otu of college. hence the scorn and resentment that is traditional of engineers, especially when forced to memorize 40 pages of EE nonsense while the IST major is playing counterstrike off a server he runs and actually makes money off of. LOL



jus jokes...lol..

You honestly think business majors graduate and shoot up in to upper management? Try managing your local Mcds or low level manager of a department at Walmart.
Most Business graduates enter in to entry level positions when they graduate. The difference is that those entry level positions probably pay a bit less than an engineering entry level position.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: XNice
engineering students work hard to be offered jobs by business majors when they get otu of college. hence the scorn and resentment that is traditional of engineers, especially when forced to memorize 40 pages of EE nonsense while the IST major is playing counterstrike off a server he runs and actually makes money off of. LOL



jus jokes...lol..

You honestly think business majors graduate and shoot up in to upper management? Try managing your local Mcds or low level manager of a department at Walmart.
Most Business graduates enter in to entry level positions when they graduate. The difference is that those entry level positions probably pay a bit less than an engineering entry level position.

Exactly.

The truth of the matter is..... you won't move up into management unless you have an advanced degree, or you are a superstar, which most undergrad "business" majors aren't.