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filthylopez

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I'm interested to know if anyone here has been/is a student at MIT and could tell me how hard it is to get in?

More generally, I am wanting to get a general idea of why any of you who do Engineering do it?. Also, what sort of salaries can an Engineer expect to get? I could check salary.com, but I also find it helps to hear accounts form real people too.

Any takers?
 

videogames101

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I wish I was in MIT, rofl...

Anyways, I love engineering because I enjoy solving problems and making things and the pay isn't bad at all.
 

RESmonkey

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My friend just found out last Saturday. He didn't get in. We expected him to, really.
 

videogames101

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Originally posted by: RESmonkey
My friend just found out last Saturday. He didn't get in. We expected him to, really.

hmmm, expecting to get into MIT?

yeah... go ahead with that =)
 

darthsidious

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I've graduated recently from MIT. I can't tell you how *hard* it is to get it, except for the fact that the selection rate is typically between 10-15% of the applicants.

As for engineering salaries, it really depends on a)what your degree is in b) where you work c) if you have an advanced degree. As a general rule of thumb, with a bachelor's, you'll make 45-70k. A master's will bump you up 10-20k ususally. ChemE pays top dollar when it comes to undergrads, followed by EE and Computer Science. mech E/civil are usually lower. But honestly, don't get into engineering if you just want to make money. It'll get old really fast. You've got to like it.

Originally posted by: filthylopez
I'm interested to know if anyone here has been/is a student at MIT and could tell me how hard it is to get in?

More generally, I am wanting to get a general idea of why any of you who do Engineering do it?. Also, what sort of salaries can an Engineer expect to get? I could check salary.com, but I also find it helps to hear accounts form real people too.

Any takers?

 

bobsmith1492

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Forget it for undergrad, they focus on the grad students. Then again, you'll know what's what there if you did...

I half-heartedly applied for grad school there but didn't get in.
 

JohnCU

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i worked with a girl from MIT during an internship one time, she was fucking crazy weird, but kinda cute
 

filthylopez

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Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

i guess but i don't wanna do equations all day
 

Epic Fail

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Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

Maybe as high school math teacher.
 

darthsidious

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

Maybe as high school math teacher.

Yeah. Most engineers don't have the skill or inclination to be a mathematician (IMO).

 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: darthsidious
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

Maybe as high school math teacher.

Yeah. Most engineers don't have the skill or inclination to be a mathematician (IMO).

all i did in school was math...? i'd say they have the skill.
 

darthsidious

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Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Forget it for undergrad, they focus on the grad students. Then again, you'll know what's what there if you did...

I half-heartedly applied for grad school there but didn't get in.

They focus on grad students, but that doesn't mean they ignore the undergrads. All classes are taught by professors, unlike some ivy league schools. The staff is very helpful, and most of all the community is great. IMO, what makes or breaks a school is the quality of its student body. MIT was a great undergrad experience in large part because of the amazing student community. It's not the sort of place everyone would like though, so YMMV.
 

darthsidious

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: darthsidious
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

Maybe as high school math teacher.

Yeah. Most engineers don't have the skill or inclination to be a mathematician (IMO).

all i did in school was math...? i'd say they have the skill.


I don't know about you in particular, but how much complex/real anaysis does the average engineer take? How about topology, group theory, abstract algebra? Engineering focusses on calculus, basic linear algebra, and applied fourier transforms fot the most part. The focus is on applications, not on exact, rigourous proofs, unlike real math majors. For most engineers, fourier transforms are a tool, and few have the knowledge or the interest in delving deep into the the theory.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: darthsidious
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: darthsidious
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

Maybe as high school math teacher.

Yeah. Most engineers don't have the skill or inclination to be a mathematician (IMO).

all i did in school was math...? i'd say they have the skill.


I don't know about you in particular, but how much complex/real anaysis does the average engineer take? How about topology, group theory, abstract algebra? Engineering focusses on calculus, basic linear algebra, and applied fourier transforms fot the most part. The focus is on applications, not on exact, rigourous proofs, unlike real math majors. For most engineers, fourier transforms are a tool, and few have the knowledge or the interest in delving deep into the the theory.

hmm i see your point.
 

Kadarin

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This is America! You're not supposed to aspire to be an engineer; you're supposed to get a law degree and become a lawyer... Get with the program!
 

imported_Imp

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Originally posted by: filthylopez
Is it a choice between doing something that has a practical application and is tangible, because most Engineers could probably have a good career in mathematics. Anyone agree?

Nope. I'm 2 months from finishing my civil engineering program and suck at math; hate it too. A few of my professors, including some of the old guys who literally write the books on the stuff, openly dislike math and admit to not being good with it (ya, that part's bs).
 

filthylopez

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Imp, I'm seriously interested in what you say. How can someone hate math and not be good at it and be an Engineer? I thought you had to be very good at math to even get on an Engineering degree?
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: filthylopez
Imp, I'm seriously interested in what you say. How can someone hate math and not be good at it and be an Engineer? I thought you had to be very good at math to even get on an Engineering degree?

i don't know how you can get an engineering degree without being good at math, but i haven't used it since.
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
i worked with a girl from MIT during an internship one time, she was fucking crazy weird, but kinda cute

Isn't that how we roll here at ATOT?



MotionMan

 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
This is America! You're not supposed to aspire to be an engineer; you're supposed to get a law degree and become a lawyer... Get with the program!

Yeah, like we need more lawyers.

:roll:

MotionMan
 

KillerCharlie

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Having a few coworkers at MIT (and getting accepted there for graduate school myself), I can tell you there is little extra value going there (as an undergraduate) as opposed to a state school that has a good engineering program.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: filthylopez
I'm interested to know if anyone here has been/is a student at MIT and could tell me how hard it is to get in?

More generally, I am wanting to get a general idea of why any of you who do Engineering do it?. Also, what sort of salaries can an Engineer expect to get? I could check salary.com, but I also find it helps to hear accounts form real people too.

Any takers?

engineering is VERY broad - there's civil/architectural, mechanical, electrical, materials, petroleum, mining, computer, nuclear, aerospace (mechanical, electrical, civil, aero are most common).

engineers obviously must be adept at solving problems, learning, and critical thinking.

I'm studying to be a materials engineer. this field involves material behaviors including mechanical, electrical, magnetic, and corrosive properties (if applicable) of metals, ceramics, and polymers, as well as processing behaviors.

actually, i have a final for my metals processing class tomorrow, so i might want to get back to studying.

point being - find out what engineering field you think would fit you best, but don't discount something just because you've never heard of it. then do research on it. there are lots of engineers here on anandtech, and if you want, i'd gladly share my experiences in materials engineering so far.

edit: just as a note, not all steels are created equally. even those with the exact same composition. how's that for a brain-buster?
 

MrBond

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Originally posted by: filthylopez
Imp, I'm seriously interested in what you say. How can someone hate math and not be good at it and be an Engineer? I thought you had to be very good at math to even get on an Engineering degree?

I am not a math fan and really not good at it, but I'm still an engineer. As a ChemE, I took four semesters of math (Calc and differential equations), then I took two more semesters in grad school. My math classes were the hardest classes for me and I worked my ass off to do well.

I don't use intensive math in my day to day job (then again, I have a job that's probably different than most other engineers out there). When I do need to use math, usually a simpler form can get me by. A good example is something we were talking about today - I need to design a system to heat up a fluid. Now there are three ways I could go about this:

1) Set up an experiment and run it. Vary my design until I get it right

2) Run a quick set of calculations (quick being a relative term here) to estimate my equipment needs, then set up the experiment and arrive at my final destination with a minimal amount of tweaking to my equipment

3) Do a full fluid flow analysis in two or three dimensions (the above method would involve the same analysis, but I'd do it in one dimension and make the math much easier). The math here would be really intense and I'd have to use a computer to solve the problem. I'd arrive at a solution and could probably spec my equipment and get it right the first time.

All three methods are valid, they just take varying levels of time. I'm going to go with solution 2, because I'm not great at math (if I was I'd probably go with #3) and it'll be the fastest solution for me.

I could do any of those three methods based on what I learned in college. Because I am not what you would call "very good at math" I tend to balance theory and practical experience to get the job done the fastest.

The first method anyone could do and you'd be surprised at how many things are engineered that way. It's not really a good way to go about it, because you can end up wasting a lot of time pursuing a solution that may not even work. That's where some knowledge of theory helps.

I make decent money, I'm right about average for this area. With my Masters degree I'm making more right now than most of my classmates who just did a bachelors degree. You have to be careful with advanced degrees - they can sometimes make it harder to find a job. I never would have landed this job without my masters degree (I got lucky and picked a great thesis topic I guess)
 
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