engines that use timing chain

[thomsbrain]

F20C and F22C from Honda S2000.
Honda 2.4L in CR-V.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Why don't you just learn to do timing belts yourself and save some cash? It's not a difficult job, just annoying. Most of the cost to have someone else do it is labor. It's billed for several hours even though you can do it yourself in an an hour or two if you've done it before. You'll learn something and get a better sense of pride in your ride.

Transverse mounted engines are a pain to deal with. We tried doing it once on a 96 accord v6. Jacked up the engine a little, loosen the engine mount bolt and took the covers off. Couldn't get the crankshaft pulley bolt out even with an impact wrench, so we put it all back together and had a shop do it. I can do oil, transmission, brakes and all that but timing belt is a little bit more dicey.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: NutBucket
FYI, chains require replacement at some point as well and they aren't failure proof either.

My understanding is that most manufacturers don't have a recommended replacement schedule for timing chains. If the chain would last 250k miles before it starts having problems, I'd still rather go with an engine with a timing chain. By the time the timing chain breaks, the car will probably be so old that it wouldn't be worth it to fix it anyway.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: T2urtle
Just because you have a chain doesn't mean the chain or guides wont wear out.

But i understand your point its not every 60-105k that you need to replace it. 60k for most people is 3 years $600-900 is not that bad of a price to spend, its like tires for the most part. Yea some people with chains dont have to pay for it. I wouldn't go away or towards a car based off it they had a timing chain or not.

I drive a 05 subie and it has a belt. You're right about not picking a car just based on it being driven by a timing belt or chain, but I would much rather buy a car with a timing chain with all else being equal... One less expense.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Kermy
Current Civics do.

Yep.

Apparently you do need to service the chain at around 170,000kms (110,000 miles) vs. 100,000kms (62,000 miles) on cars like the Hyundai Elantra that use a belt.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Kermy
Current Civics do.

Yep.

Apparently you do need to service the chain at around 170,000kms (110,000 miles) vs. 100,000kms (62,000 miles) on cars like the Hyundai Elantra that use a belt.

I find that unlikely... Unless the chain is held together by toothpicks.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Kermy
Current Civics do.

Yep.

Apparently you do need to service the chain at around 170,000kms (110,000 miles) vs. 100,000kms (62,000 miles) on cars like the Hyundai Elantra that use a belt.

I find that unlikely... Unless the chain is held together by toothpicks.

Chains stretch also, even the best quality ones. It is much easier to change a timing belt than a timing chain. I do the work myself so I would actually prefer timing belts, but a non-interference engine is preferable if you would like to push the service limit a bit. I just finally did the belt on my Lexus LS400 at 130K miles when it should have been done at 90K but if it would have snapped the only difference would have been having to have AAA tow it home.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
2000+ Corolla. 2002+ Sentra (I think).

1998+ Corolla/Matrix. 2000+ Celica GT (GTS as well, afaik). Pontiac Vibe.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Most BMW motors.

 

[AMCRambler]

The Ford Duratec 2.5 V6 found in such venerable cars as the Ford Contour and Mercury Mystique. Pretty sure the Ford Tarus 3.0 has timing chains too.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Kermy
Current Civics do.

Yep.

Apparently you do need to service the chain at around 170,000kms (110,000 miles) vs. 100,000kms (62,000 miles) on cars like the Hyundai Elantra that use a belt.

I find that unlikely... Unless the chain is held together by toothpicks.

Chains stretch also, even the best quality ones. It is much easier to change a timing belt than a timing chain. I do the work myself so I would actually prefer timing belts, but a non-interference engine is preferable if you would like to push the service limit a bit. I just finally did the belt on my Lexus LS400 at 130K miles when it should have been done at 90K but if it would have snapped the only difference would have been having to have AAA tow it home.

My car is a good example why I said what I said. It revs 8000+ and has no timing chain service interval. I doubt a civic would. Granted they are different design, but it makes no sense for them to move to a timing chain and STILL have a service for it. I think the whole point of the move was to eliminate maintenance.

If anyone has a new civic service manual, chime in...

 

[cheesehead]

Triumph Stag V8.

Just making the point that chains aren't exactly a perfect solution.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Kermy
Current Civics do.

Yep.

Apparently you do need to service the chain at around 170,000kms (110,000 miles) vs. 100,000kms (62,000 miles) on cars like the Hyundai Elantra that use a belt.

I find that unlikely... Unless the chain is held together by toothpicks.

Chains stretch also, even the best quality ones. It is much easier to change a timing belt than a timing chain. I do the work myself so I would actually prefer timing belts, but a non-interference engine is preferable if you would like to push the service limit a bit. I just finally did the belt on my Lexus LS400 at 130K miles when it should have been done at 90K but if it would have snapped the only difference would have been having to have AAA tow it home.

My car is a good example why I said what I said. It revs 8000+ and has no timing chain service interval. I doubt a civic would. Granted they are different design, but it makes no sense for them to move to a timing chain and STILL have a service for it. I think the whole point of the move was to eliminate maintenance.

If anyone has a new civic service manual, chime in...

At the Honda dealership, one person told me that you never need to service the chain, whereas somebody else told me that you need to do it at around the 170,000km mark, but that it depends.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Triumph Stag V8.

Just making the point that chains aren't exactly a perfect solution.

That motor sounds great, but is epic in its many failures.

 

[chin311]

pretty sure my nissan versa has a chain