English very hard language

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"Whassuppppp" "whaaaasssaaaaaaaaaaaapppppppppp"

How's it going bro?

or if you're learning english on tinder, its generally an average of 3 texts until "can i sex you in the bed" comes up.

But do they want to make sex?
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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I've heard many times that English was the hardest language to learn. For us English speakers languages like Russian Mandarin or Arabic would be very hard to learn. Spanish would be the easiest.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
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Remember: anyone that makes fun of someone's English that doesn't fluently speak at least two languages themselves is a total and complete douche.
 

John Connor

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I speak fluent Arabic and English. Am I a noob?


J/K. I only know some Arabic in part due to my uncle from Egypt.
 

thejunglegod

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English is tough. But at least you're better than the "CASH ME OUSSIDE, HOW BOUT DAH?" girl.
 

MrSquished

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I found English a bit hard in school when we learned it, but I imagine any language is hard at first. English is probably one of the easier ones to learn though. The part of English that still weirds me out to this day though is how some stuff is pronounced, it's totally not how I expect it to be. There's lot of words that don't tend to come up in speech but when they do and someone corrects me it always weirds me out to know that I've been thinking about it wrong all that time.

Like Orion. I don't remember why or how that came up in a conversation, but who would have thought it was pronounced Oh Ryan. I totally had it wrong in my head.

It's not. English is tough for pronunciation, spelling and vocabulary. It's not the hardest to learn but it's not easy either.
 

Murloc

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English has the easiest grammar of any language I know (italian, german, french, english). Building 100% correct sentences in terms of position of words and word choice takes time though.

Spelling is a mess but it's actually harder on natives because foreign learners learn languages from texts and grammar rules first.
Pronunciation is all over the place because of the irregular spelling, but movies with English subtitles fixed that fast for me (though it doesn't make my accent better of course).

Given that my mother language is strongly latin-based, I have an easy time with the words that americans use in spelling bees, and I tend to use complicated latin words instead of the more down-to-earth germanic ones.

Hyphenation is the one thing that I'm never sure about.

Still, the necessary things to be able to be understood in English are WAY easier to learn than in other languages.
Sure, skipping all exceptions to the grammar rules is incorrect, but you will be understood anyway and there's always a pidgin or dialect somewhere that doesn't respect that rule already.

Not having genders makes the vocabulary infinitely easier than in any other language where you always have to remember the noun as well.
In German, if you get the gender wrong, in certain cases your sentence may change meaning.

Latin can go eff itself... Seriously, gendered nouns? My French is shit and not memorizing if all the nouns are male or female is partly to blame. At least Spanish helps you usually by ending in -a or -o.

You also wouldn't have a million nouns/adjectives become verbs like in English. Someone would have to decide if the new verb has an er, re, ir, or whatever ending then conjugate it 50 ways...
actually German is germanic just like English and it's even worse because they have THREE genders.

And the genders don't even translate between latin languages, when it comes to German there's no relation at all.

Still, after a while you learn that words that follow certain patterns have certain genders.

At least Spanish helps you usually by ending in -a or -o.
but so does French.
Chat, chatte, fiancé, fiancée....
 
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MongGrel

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Remember: anyone that makes fun of someone's English that doesn't fluently speak at least two languages themselves is a total and complete douche.

This seem to be a norm, even if I'm still skeptical of the OP to begin with myself a bit.
 

zinfamous

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This is probably a good time to move to the US if you are a English very hard person.

I'm waiting for the Executive Order to come across that makes all but 72 words illegal.
 
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Chaotic42

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I've heard many times that English was the hardest language to learn. For us English speakers languages like Russian Mandarin or Arabic would be very hard to learn. Spanish would be the easiest.

I found Russian pretty straightforward, though I didn't get really far when I studied it. The grammar was fairly straightforward. I took a little Arabic and did okay with it as well. Chinese and Japanese are killers for me, especially when you start talking about tones. I wish we'd all switch to one language and just stick with it.
 

zinfamous

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Err how are they pronounced differently other than the extra er sound?

the 2nd "o" (and depending on where you are from, I guess both "o" pronunciations are different between the two words)

and the inflection in "photo" moves from 1st syllable to 2nd syllable.
 

sdifox

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the 2nd "o" (and depending on where you are from, I guess both "o" pronunciations are different between the two words)

and the inflection in "photo" moves from 1st syllable to 2nd syllable.

Wait what? The second o is not pronounced the same way as the first?

Are you one of those that say fouto?
 

repoman0

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Wait what? The second o is not pronounced the same way as the first?

Are you one of those that say fouto?

In photo both o sounds are long and the stress is on the first, in photographer the second o sound is short and is stressed. Not to mention the a in graph is pronounced differently as well. They are far from the same ....
 

Stopsignhank

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Photograph - Fotograf. With the long O sound and the emphasis on the first syllable
Photographer - Fotaugrafer. Long O sound and then a short O sound with the emphasis on the second syllable.

What the hell kind of English are you speaking?

I realized these words are pronounced differently when my autistic son said photographer differently.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Photograph - Fotograf. With the long O sound and the emphasis on the first syllable
Photographer - Fotaugrafer. Long O sound and then a short O sound with the emphasis on the second syllable.

What the hell kind of English are you speaking?

I realized these words are pronounced differently when my autistic son said photographer differently.

Depends on dialect, I always heard it as Fatagrahfer growing up, as in the two 'o's' and the 'a' all have the exact same pronunciation.
 
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Tequila

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I found Russian pretty straightforward, though I didn't get really far when I studied it. The grammar was fairly straightforward. I took a little Arabic and did okay with it as well. Chinese and Japanese are killers for me, especially when you start talking about tones. I wish we'd all switch to one language and just stick with it.


You obviously didn't get very far in Russian. The words straightforward and Russian don't mix. Like other European languages, Russian nouns have genders which can be masculine, feminine or neuter. Not only do adjectives change endings based on gender and case but also nouns, yes even proper nouns like a person's name! This is extremely difficult when you are first learning Russian but you slowly get used to it. The good news is Russian has no definite or indefinite articles and word order isn't as stringent like in German. Forming the past tense is really easy too. However there are other really nasty things to deal with
(1) prepositions that have multiple meanings (2) an endless amount of motion verbs to express that you are going somewhere
(3) imperfective vs perfective verb aspects which essentially means you have to memorize two verbs for every one. (4) counting in Russian is a bitch with 3 different endings based on the amount.
(5) stress changes when conjugating some verbs

I'll give you some easy examples to get the point across. There are six cases in Russian: nominative, accusative, dative, prepositional, instrumental, genitive. Nominative case is the easiest. This is probably where you stopped.

Nominative
An adjective like хороший(good) is used for masculine nouns but changes to хорошая for feminine, хорошое for neuter and хорошие for plural.
он хороший актёр. He is a good actor
она хорошая актриса. She is a good actor
они хорошие актёры. They are good actors
masculine adjectives have 3 different endings in the nominative but just showing you one. And don't get adjectives mixed up with adverbs like хорошо(well) as in он говорит по-русски хорошо.(he speaks Russian well)

Accusative.
feminine nouns change from а to у and from я to ю. Adjectives also take on this change. I.e in nominative the adjective русская is changed to русскую in accusative, but also any feminine nouns like литература.
я люблю читать русскую литературу. I like reading Russian literature.
вчера он читал книгу. Yesterday he read a book. (also example of past tense formation. читать becomes читал/читала/читали depending on gender of subject)
The good news is that neuter nouns don't change and masculine only change when using animate nouns like a person or animal.

Dative.
Ohhh my, you thought your name was Ivan(иван) or Anna(анна)? But if you give something to Ivan or Anna guess what? Yea their name changes endings too!
он дал ивану книгу. He gave a book to Ivan
она дала анне книгу. She gave a book to Anna.

At this point Russian isn't too hard but then you get into the really tricky grammar of the other 3 cases especially genitive and instrumental. Genitive isn't just used for possession but for quantities as in
nominative: это вода. This is water.
accusative: я хочу воду. I want a water. To make it worse the stress changes from the last syllable of water to the first
genitive: бутылка воды. A bottle of water. And the stress changes back to the 2nd syllable of water.

And for counting it really gets ugly. Take the word for hour(час). One hour is час, 2-4 hours is часа and 5-20 hours is часов. One ruble is рубль, 2-4 rubles is рубля, 5-20 rubles is рублей. So 114 rubles is 114 рублей and not рубля

Now for the fun stuff! Prepositions, motion verbs and aspects. Russian has a mind dizzying amount of verbs to describe that you are going somewhere and it is based on (1) one way or unidirectional (2) by foot or by vehicle and to make matter worse a bunch of prepositions to express going to a place. To make it even harder, each preposition has multiple meanings. I.e на can mean to, in, at, for. Same for В. i.e
я иду на работу. I'm going to work. (by foot)
я еду в магазин. I'm going to the store (by vehicle)
Yet you can use на and в to also mean in/at as in
я на работе. I'm at work
я в магазине. I'm in the store.
Noticed the noun change? This case is is prepositional so again the nouns and adjectives change ending

Aspects are used to express completion vs a continuous action. Sometimes you just have to prepend по or про or при to the verb but it is not always that easy. For example to express that you read a book yesterday but didn't finish it you'd use the impefective version
я читал книгу
But if you read it and finished it then you'd use the perfective version
я прочитал книгу
The problem is that not all verbs are this easy to form aspects. Sometimes the verbs are completely different so requires a lot of memorization.

Anyway, I barely touched on the grammar. Russian grammar gets very complicated and has A LOT of exceptions. But hey the tradeoffs are no articles and past tense is really easy. So not bad afterall eh?
 
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sdifox

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Photograph - Fotograf. With the long O sound and the emphasis on the first syllable
Photographer - Fotaugrafer. Long O sound and then a short O sound with the emphasis on the second syllable.

What the hell kind of English are you speaking?

I realized these words are pronounced differently when my autistic son said photographer differently.


I learned English in Buenos Aires. In a private school ran by an Austrian and my private tutor was German :awe:

I probably pronounce quite a few word in the latin language way.
 

zinfamous

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Wait what? The second o is not pronounced the same way as the first?

Are you one of those that say fouto?

You pronounce both "o"'s in "photographer" the same, just like in "photo"?

Are you French or something?
 

Stopsignhank

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I learned English in Buenos Aires. In a private school ran by an Austrian and my private tutor was German :awe:

I probably pronounce quite a few word in the latin language way.

A contractor we hired had this very unique accent. I asked him where he was from and he said Mexico, but the lady that taught him to speak English was from Australia. He had the most delightful accent.
 
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