Epic correction of the decade

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Hoo-wee, the New York Times will really have to extend itself to top the boner and mother-of-all-corrections at the American Journal of Political Science. This is the journal that published a finding much beloved of liberals a few years back that purported to find scientific evidence that conservatives are more likely to exhibit traits associated with psychoticism, such as authoritarianism and tough-mindedness, and that the supposed “authoritarian” personality of conservatives might even have a genetic basis (and therefore be treatable someday?). Settle in with a cup or glass of your favorite beverage, and get ready to enjoy one of the most epic academic face plants ever.

The original article was called “Correlation not causation: the relationship between personality traits and political ideologies,” and was written by three academics at Virginia Commonwealth University. Here’s the relevant part of the abstract:

Work in psychology, behavioral genetics, and recently political science, however, has demonstrated that political preferences also develop in childhood and are equally influenced by genetic factors. These findings cast doubt on the assumed causal relationship between personality and politics. Here we test the causal relationship between personality traits and political attitudes using a direction of causation structural model on a genetically informative sample. The results suggest that personality traits do not cause people to develop political attitudes; rather, the correlation between the two is a function of an innate common underlying genetic factor.

After the usual long winding path through the existing literature and exhausting discussion of their methodology, we get to some analysis and conclusions, and this is where the fun starts. There’s a lot of jargon and highly technical discussion as usual, but some comprehensible copy:

In line with our expectations, P [for “Psychoticism”] (positively related to tough-mindedness and authoritarianism) is associated with social conservatism and conservative military attitudes. Intriguingly, the strength of the relationship between P and political ideology differs across sexes. P‘s link with social conservatism is stronger for females while its link with military attitudes is stronger for males. We also find individuals higher in Neuroticism are more likely to be economically liberal. Furthermore, Neuroticism is completely unrelated to social ideology, which has been the focus of many in the field. Finally, those higher in Social Desirability are also more likely to express socially liberal attitudes.

Here I must explain that “Social Desirability” is a social science term that essentially translates into common sense language as someone who self-consciously wants to get along. Keep this in mind as we get to the epic correction. Keep also in mind where the authors also express some surprise that “neurotic” people would turn out to be liberals and support the welfare state:

People higher in Neuroticism tend to be more economically liberal. What is intriguing about this relationship is that it is in the opposite direction of what past theories would predict. . . That is, neurotic people are more likely to support public policies that provide aid to the economically disadvantaged (public housing, foreign aid, immigration, etc).

Now if you’re still with me, take in the opening of this very long correction:

The authors regret that there is an error in the published version of “Correlation not Causation: The Relationship between Personality Traits and Political Ideologies” American Journal of Political Science 56 (1), 34–51. The interpretation of the coding of the political attitude items in the descriptive and preliminary analyses portion of the manuscript was exactly reversed.

I’m just going to let that sit there for a moment while you swallow your beverage and put your cup or glass down so as not to risk damage to your keyboard. To continue:

Thus, where we indicated that higher scores in Table 1 (page 40) reflect a more conservative response, they actually reflect a more liberal response. Specifically, in the original manuscript, the descriptive analyses report that those higher in Eysenck’s psychoticism are more conservative, but they are actually more liberal; and where the original manuscript reports those higher in neuroticism and social desirability are more liberal, they are, in fact, more conservative.

If you go back to the excerpts above and swap out the ideological categories you will have to suppress a horselaugh. Liberals are more prone to “psychoticism” (which the authors hasten to explain doesn’t meant “psychotic,” but what the hell. . .), and hence authoritatianism, which would come as no surprise to any conservative who pays attention to authoritarian liberalism. And people higher in Social Desirability will turn out to be conservatives, which is also congruent with the many simpler survey findings that conservatives are happier than liberals.

If you continue with the explanation in the correction it would seem to suggest that someone simply transposed the data somewhere along the line during the coding steps. Or maybe the authors were hoping for a job with Dan Rather or Katie Couric if tenure didn’t come through? They are defending themselves by saying that the main point of the paper was to demonstrate the magnitude of correlations between personality traits and sociopolitical attitudes, and hence that the ideological direction of the correlation doesn’t matter. This doesn’t wash well with the great folks at the indispensible Retraction Watch, who interviewed one of the academics who spotted the mistake, Steven Ludeke of the University of Southern Denmark, who said:

The erroneous results represented some of the larger correlations between personality and politics ever reported; they were reported and interpreted, repeatedly, in the wrong direction; and then cited at rates that are (for this field) extremely high. And the relationship between personality and politics is, as we note in the paper, quite a “hot” topic, with a large number of new papers appearing every year. So although the errors do not matter for the result that the authors (rightly) see as their most important, I obviously think the errors themselves matter quite a lot, especially for what it says about the scientific process both pre- and post-review.

In other words, if this study hadn’t come out conforming to the liberal narrative and sliming conservatives, it wouldn’t have attracted much notice. By the way, your tax dollars paid for this essential social science research. A note at the end says, “The data for this article were collected with the financial support of the National Institute of Health.” And people wonder why Republicans in Congress want to cut off federal funding for social science research. As an alternative, I suggest redirecting federal social science funds to Retraction Watch.

And cue Emily Litella whenever you’re ready.

don't remember who, but one of the nitwits on the forums here constantly used this study in defense of it's viewpoint on, well most everything. although obvious from the start the reversal certainly lends credence to the fact that the backwards stupid shit turned out to be. backwards and stupid
 

abj13

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And people higher in Social Desirability will turn out to be conservatives, which is also congruent with the many simpler survey findings that conservatives are happier than liberals.

Sadly the plagiarized author doesn't understand how social desirability was defined in the study. What the study described:

"Finally, the Social Desirability scale measures the tendency to overestimate one's perceived positive characteristics and underestimate perceived negative ones. High scores indicate a propensity for social acquiescence and conformity, or a lack of self-insight"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3809096/
 

ivwshane

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What does this have to do with the new York times? A study contradicting another study isn't new, in fact it's part of the scientific process.
 

Perknose

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Sadly the plagiarized author doesn't understand how social desirability was defined in the study. What the study described:

"Finally, the Social Desirability scale measures the tendency to overestimate one's perceived positive characteristics and underestimate perceived negative ones. High scores indicate a propensity for social acquiescence and conformity, or a lack of self-insight"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3809096/

^^^ Which the hack OP or the hack he plagiarized tried to spin thusly:

Here I must explain that “Social Desirability” is a social science term that essentially translates into common sense language as someone who self-consciously wants to get along.

Which allows him to then spin this further bullshit:

And people higher in Social Desirability will turn out to be conservatives, which is also congruent with the many simpler survey findings that conservatives are happier than liberals.

Yesss! A craven propensity for social acquiescence and a total lack of self-insight (Social Desirability) are the keys to conservatives' happiness!

But, all of that kind of pales before his final bullshit barrage:

In other words, if this study hadn’t come out conforming to the liberal narrative and sliming conservatives, it wouldn’t have attracted much notice.

Sure! It wouldn't have made headline banners for weeks on Fox News, not to mention a thousand red-faced right wing blogs. Yup. Not at all. And in conclusion, may I just say, "BENGAZI."
 

Jhhnn

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Over the last few days Moonie has swung to the far right

He's just being particularly sardonic, I think, trying to get people to look in their own heads.

I think I kinda feel ya, Moonbeam.
 

Greenman

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Over the last few days Moonie has swung to the far right

I noticed a change, but I couldn't make enough sense out of his posts to have an opinion about his point. It's like trying to talk to someone over a really bad cell phone connection, eventually you just shrug and hang up. I'm actually a bit concerned about him.
 

Perknose

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I noticed a change, but I couldn't make enough sense out of his posts to have an opinion about his point. It's like trying to talk to someone over a really bad cell phone connection, eventually you just shrug and hang up. I'm actually a bit concerned about him.

I hear you, but I tend to agree with Jhhnn that he's just being especially sardonic. Bernie was his great hope, the CA results have probably hit him a bit hard.
 

Moonbeam

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Hoo-wee, the New York Times will really have to extend itself to top the boner and mother-of-all-corrections at the American Journal of Political Science. ....................

don't remember who, but one of the nitwits on the forums here constantly used this study in defense of it's viewpoint on, well most everything. although obvious from the start the reversal certainly lends credence to the fact that the backwards stupid shit turned out to be. backwards and stupid

You'll have to get up a lot earlier than this if you want to catch me. I got the word sometime back and immediately became a conservative. It's not been easy though for somebody like me with thin skin. I'm just amazed to find how much liberals hate us conservatives.
 
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dank69

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You'll have to get up a lot earlier than this if you want to catch me. I got the word sometime back and immediately became a conservative. It's not been easy though for somebody like me with thin skin. I'm just amazed to find how much liberals hate us conservatives.
I don't think you are. I think you've experienced this rage yourself on many occasions.
 
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So it's actually liberals who are the ones who tend to be "uncooperative, hostile, troublesome, socially withdrawn" as well as "manipulative"? Say it isn't so.
 

fskimospy

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So it's actually liberals who are the ones who tend to be "uncooperative, hostile, troublesome, socially withdrawn" as well as "manipulative"? Say it isn't so.

Didn't you contemptuously dismiss talk about a conservative brain defect before? What has changed to have you now accept it?
 

Greenman

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I hear you, but I tend to agree with Jhhnn that he's just being especially sardonic. Bernie was his great hope, the CA results have probably hit him a bit hard.

He's been a Trump supporter for some time though. Or perhaps I just missed the sarcasm?
 

interchange

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Didn't you contemptuously dismiss talk about a conservative brain defect before? What has changed to have you now accept it?

Haven't you heard him talk about the liberal brain defect?

Besides, with me being gone of late, he's had a lot in his plate.
 

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