Came across this today posted somewhere. Apparently it was penned in 1959 by a judge. Ironically, it's probably more applicable today then it was back then.
Yeah, no. People have been saying this exact same shit for the last 3000 years. The cries of "todays youth are lazy" have been applied to every single generation of youth since the beginings of history.
It probably applies just as much as to the kids of 1959 as to the kids of now.
further proof that it doesn't matter where you went to school, but more about the degree. Hmm comm degree from Loyola vs mech engineering degree at the #1 party school in the country = guess who's more likely to be employed (assuming GPA are both good)? Nobody gives a fuck how much you spent on your education or where you went if your degree is useless.
Georgetown University: Would their organization/institution be hurt if people thought that there was an oversupply of <major offered by Georgetown> graduates?
Would Georgetown University be out millions of dollars and would administrators raking in $200k+/yr be affected by people not attending their institution?
I want to believe that educational institutions are impartial and only for the public good, but I thought the same about government. Just follow the money...
Just got around to reading this thread.
So which is the lie, the article or her linkedin? no mention of Whole Foods, and the closest thing to bartending is a Sales gig at River North Beer.
I never said it wasn't applicable to the kids of 1959... nor did I say it wasn't applicable to the youth of 986 B.C.
I said it's probably more applicable today than ever.
Figured that one out a while ago. Two degrees from what may be the top school, and hardest one, in my country and no dice. Meanwhile, people from "crappier" schools and had lower grades than me are higher up on the ladder.
Social skills + people you know = key (degree does help though)
Why is it that we need to work harder than people decades ago when productivity is, at minimum, eight fold greater than it used to be then?
How about you debate the actual data?
So - what specifically do you have issue with that you are using to refute their report? Or is this just some gut feeling you are using to reject their data backed study?
You seem very adamant about being right.
However, I'm leaning towards one side.
Because the world you live in today, the company you work for is part of an economy - at a minimum, eight fold greater than it used to be. Your company has to keep up with the global Joneses now, and if they can't because your productivity isn't enough...
Try looking past the nose on your face for once. Your self-centric views on the world are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. And that's what the article image I quoted is trying to convey.
If you have compelling data\study to refute their claim I would genuinely be interested in reading it and would be willing to change my mind.
However - disagreeing with a study without actual cause is a pet peeve of mine. It why we have so many anti-vaccine nuts
Why? What supporting information do you have that leads you to this leaning?
Agreed. housing prices for us millenials are completely OUTRAGEOUS. sure, there are millenials who are slackers, but for someone like me (and i'm assuming you) who graduated university with a useful degree, found a job with said useful degree, it will take you at least 10 years to be able to afford a home. I live with my parents for 3 years, which allowed me to pay off my car, student loans, helped them with their house, and save up for a down payment with my wife. we could barely afford a townhouse in our area, which go for 350k. If I didnt have the option to live with my parents, i'd still be paying off my car, student loans, and paying for a POS apartment somewhere. The change in housing prices is something I think many older generations can't / don't want to see and just write off our entire generation as underemployed slackers. My wife and I also lucked out in that we graduated and got jobs right before the 2008 crash. I have a friend with an engineering degree who graduated in 2009 and it took him a year and a half to find a job.
I know the older generation will bitch and moan and tell us we need to cut out cell phone bills, cable, etc. but that doesn't even meet the order of magnitude of bills you need to get into a decent home.
it's pretty tough even for the average newly employed millenial to pay off $120K of student debt, $10K car, and then buy a home. it's possible if you're making crazy money, but it's not like it was a generation ago.
"maybe this guy with a product's name is correct".
I'm going to first say. I feel for you. I see where you are coming from. You want to live a certain place and that's cool.
But let's look at this a little differently. If you want to get down to it it is a bit of entitlement is it not? You feel entitlement to live there. And this is the big problem these days. All the kids feel entitled to far to many things. Look at it this way, you can't afford to live there. So you should be moving some place else to live. But you don't want to. You feel you should get to live there. But as you said you can't afford to. So instead of moving you are angry about it and probably feel you want to give up and nothing else will do.
The answer is to move some place else. Get a different job, buy a cheaper house in another town. Just because that's not the life you dream of doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You can be discouraged or you can go do something and move forward. Nobody owes you and me that $350k house.
I was in the same situation. I can't go live in my own town I grew up in because the houses are to expensive. So what do I do? Did I stay there and bum around and maybe live with parents? No, I had to move some place else. I had to do jobs I may not have liked. Your parents probably bought their house when that market was small, the town was a smaller town (or city), it didn't have everything is has now. Well you need to go find a town like that used to be. Maybe less to do, less exciting, but better prices you can manage.
This is the problem with the newer generations. They believe they should be living like (and where) their parents live now, not how their parents lived when they first started.
Look at it this way, what if we grew up in Beverly Hills, do we then believe we are entitled to live in and afford Beverly Hills mansions? No, you gotta start some place else.
Lot's of good points in the thread but I take particular offense at the idea of someone working as a bagger as epic fail. That's the talk of someone who's life plan has worked out pretty good, who has been at the right place at the right time. I have a friend like that, sometimes he is insufferable.
I've seen right place/right time twice.
First I graduated BSEE in 2001. I was one of two people I was graduating with that had a job lined up. September the startup I was at went under, then 9/11 happened. Drained my accounts while trying to find a job in my field and eventually just went to get a job. Did a brief stint at Radio Shack (as an aside sometimes it's just better to not try to correct the piss poor circuits people wanted to make since they won't listen to you anyways).
Tired of selling phones went for a better paying, closer job at Whole Foods. Working in prepared foods doing similar work to what I did my first two years of college. For a bit I still pretended like I was going to get a job in my field but at some point a year has passed, there are a new bunch of graduates and I have exhausted my small network. So I deal with it. Three months after starting I got for a supervisor position and get it. Four months after that an administrative position opens, I go for it but don't get it, the backup for that position gets it. Instead the store manager is impressed with my interview and puts me on as a backup to the cash office, loading dock, in store IT and occasionally accounts receivable. That same manager gets tapped to open up the (at the time) biggest whole foods and so I apply for the IT position there and get it. We're going to spin off into a new region and so I start networking with the new regional folks that are being picked up. Nothing is certain in life but I'm at the front of the pack to take up the regional IT position. I had gone from making under the median income to over it in 2.5 years. With the regional position staring me in the face I realize I don't really want to do that. So I gamble and quit my job, go back to school full time to get a MSEE.
I meticulously plan out my schooling. Take classes from professors I want to work with in order to get RA positions or at the least the recommendations for TA (MS students have a harder time getting these). I do the degree in two years so that I can squeeze an internship in there for real world experience. I do the RA thing for most quarters aside from the first quarter before I could network with a prof. I graduate in 2007 and everyone is hiring. They are throwing money at people to get them in the door. Nearly everywhere I drop my resume leads to an interview. Get a good paying job with an awesome signing bonus doing exactly the work I wanted to do. If I had graduated one year later when no one was hiring who knows if I'd even have a job in my field or that even uses my degree.
TL;DR Graduated 2001, little to no work prospects. Take "high school droput" job, work my way up quickly to making ok money. Quit that job, gambled on going back to school. Graduated when hiring was hot, got lucky. Had I put off school one more year I might have been totally hosed.
Luck is huge in getting anywhere. Hard work helps you take advantage of lucky situations but hard work alone means nothing.