EPIC Fail, Graduate from Loyola University end up a Grocery Bagger.

[OverVolt]

I'm going to first say. I feel for you. I see where you are coming from. You want to live a certain place and that's cool.

But let's look at this a little differently. If you want to get down to it it is a bit of entitlement is it not? You feel entitlement to live there. And this is the big problem these days. All the kids feel entitled to far to many things. Look at it this way, you can't afford to live there. So you should be moving some place else to live. But you don't want to. You feel you should get to live there. But as you said you can't afford to. So instead of moving you are angry about it and probably feel you want to give up and nothing else will do.

The answer is to move some place else. Get a different job, buy a cheaper house in another town. Just because that's not the life you dream of doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You can be discouraged or you can go do something and move forward. Nobody owes you and me that $350k house.

I was in the same situation. I can't go live in my own town I grew up in because the houses are to expensive. So what do I do? Did I stay there and bum around and maybe live with parents? No, I had to move some place else. I had to do jobs I may not have liked. Your parents probably bought their house when that market was small, the town was a smaller town (or city), it didn't have everything is has now. Well you need to go find a town like that used to be. Maybe less to do, less exciting, but better prices you can manage.

This is the problem with the newer generations. They believe they should be living like (and where) their parents live now, not how their parents lived when they first started.

Look at it this way, what if we grew up in Beverly Hills, do we then believe we are entitled to live in and afford Beverly Hills mansions? No, you gotta start some place else.

The millennials will be the ones getting the last laugh when the boomers try to sell their homes that rose 400% In value over their lifetimes when they retire and go to downsize. The millennials have time on their side. One more downturn and the boomers retirement goes poof into the abyss of paper losses. The boomers shouldn't be so smug about what they think millennials should or should not be buying. What are the odds of a downturn over the next 10-20 years? Pretty much guaranteed. You had the 70's oil crisis, 1987 2001 and 2008. Good luck old tards, even if the millennials do move out of the overpriced neighborhoods that's going to leave nothing but a geriatric husk of a neighborhood economy wise 10 years down the road. Young people spend the most money, not soon to be fixed income boomers no matter how far they shove their head up their arse and sing lalalalalalalla hope my retirement pans out.

 

[highland145]

The millennials will be the ones getting the last laugh ...

The "Joe Biden's" are getting the last laugh...until the whole thing collapses.

 

[shadow9d9]

further proof that it doesn't matter where you went to school, but more about the degree. Hmm comm degree from Loyola vs mech engineering degree at the #1 party school in the country = guess who's more likely to be employed (assuming GPA are both good)? Nobody gives a fuck how much you spent on your education or where you went if your degree is useless.

Even this is a new occurrence. In the elderly generation, not only was it ridiculous cheap to get college, but even a meaningless college degree was better than high school, since not everyone went to college.

 

[shadow9d9]

I'm going to first say. I feel for you. I see where you are coming from. You want to live a certain place and that's cool.

But let's look at this a little differently. If you want to get down to it it is a bit of entitlement is it not? You feel entitlement to live there. And this is the big problem these days. All the kids feel entitled to far to many things. Look at it this way, you can't afford to live there. So you should be moving some place else to live. But you don't want to. You feel you should get to live there. But as you said you can't afford to. So instead of moving you are angry about it and probably feel you want to give up and nothing else will do.

The answer is to move some place else. Get a different job, buy a cheaper house in another town. Just because that's not the life you dream of doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. You can be discouraged or you can go do something and move forward. Nobody owes you and me that $350k house.

I was in the same situation. I can't go live in my own town I grew up in because the houses are to expensive. So what do I do? Did I stay there and bum around and maybe live with parents? No, I had to move some place else. I had to do jobs I may not have liked. Your parents probably bought their house when that market was small, the town was a smaller town (or city), it didn't have everything is has now. Well you need to go find a town like that used to be. Maybe less to do, less exciting, but better prices you can manage.

This is the problem with the newer generations. They believe they should be living like (and where) their parents live now, not how their parents lived when they first started.

Look at it this way, what if we grew up in Beverly Hills, do we then believe we are entitled to live in and afford Beverly Hills mansions? No, you gotta start some place else.

The nice areas now were still nice areas 30 years ago, except they are now 400% more expensive. People need to just stop throwing the word "entitled" around. It makes everyone look like a parrot. Why were the elder generation more "entitled" to live in that same area for 1/4 the price? We are not talking about a place that was bought for 1/4 the price, but was a shithole, and now the area has rebounded with their hard work and it is more expensive. We are talking about the exact same area.

 

[shadow9d9]

wut?

lolol

Oh.

Damn this is repetitive...lolol.

Guess you missed that part.

Reported.

"lol" is not an argument. It shows your capacity to comprehend and refute arguments.

"Reported"- This shows your capacity to understand what is around you and to handle it like a mature adult. "Reported" is what a 13 year old would say... Ooooh... I think I get it now... Seriously, it is the equivalent of a child saying "I'm telling on you!" Hell, I would have more respect for such a sad position if you didn't feel the need to loudly exclaim that you are telling on me because I hoit your wittle feelings!

 

[shadow9d9]

For all the people saying, "If only he/she did not have a useless degree..."

I've got news for you...if all of the liberal arts graduates majored in "useful fields" we would have...soup-prise!...a large oversupply of people with college degrees in "useful fields".

In other words, tripling the number of engineers (or scientists, or mathematicians, etc.) produced will not magically triple the number of jobs for engineers (etc.) at currently prevailing wage rates. It would either drive down wages for people in those "useful fields" or result in unemployed/underemployed surplus college graduates with degrees in "useful fields".

They are repeating talking points without stopping for a second to examine the legitimacy of them. You are dealing with people incapable of thinking independent thoughts, which is why they have to resort to parroting what they've been told to think.

Anyone with half a brain would realize that if everyone went for the "valuable" degrees, they would cease to be valuable. There are simply not enough high quality/paying jobs to support all of the people that want high quality/paying jobs. Period.

 

[shadow9d9]

Getting kicked out of the house after college will get her in gear. Worked for me, but then again my parents didn't give a shit about my career and just wanted me out of the house.

So, they set her up by leaving her uneducated about college costs vs viability, and which degrees to go after... Yet instead of punishing them for being lousy parents who didn't prepare her for the world and do their actual JOBS, SHE, as a child, should be the one punished? Brilliant!

 

[shadow9d9]

Work it shadow, work it.



Is this like hunting over a baited field?

You have nothing. Not a single thing of substance in the entire thread. You haven't even attempted.

Go back to bragging about your child being a special snowflake just...because you as the parent think they are. If you want to actually discuss something, then actually make your first comment that actually is a cohesive statement dealing with the topic.

Hell, you can't even use the copy and paste button to get my name right in your signature. I haven't seen a waste of a space on these forums like you in quite some time.


I list what the elderly generation had: Cheap college, college was actually considered valuable because not everyone went to college, cheap real estate, jobs with pensions, jobs with security/lifetime work, unions, interests rates higher than .01% in banks... Then, they outsourced tons of jobs, raised tuition by a few thousand percent, inflated the job market, used greed to collapse the financial/worldwide market twice, blew trillions upon trillions on wasteful wars and federal spending, eroded unions, got rid of pensions, got rid of company loyalty.

Your response?

"lol"
"My 13 year old did manual labor, so this girl is dumb"

Seriously. Pathetic.

 

[Zebo]

Times have changed. As we become poorer you will see this more.

I've traveled the world and adults living with parents is fairly common even 3-4 generations in the same house!!!

Today more than ever it's important to push you kids into fields which have potential of employment e.g. medicine, petroleum engineering, accouting etc.

If your kids don't want any part of college or dont have aptitude send them to tech school for stuff like HVAC repair, plumbing, cell tower repair and what not which are very good jobs.

Eitherway you need to sit down with them and make a plan. No more of this "whatever makes you happy dear" wont work in todays economy

 

[evident]

So, they set her up by leaving her uneducated about college costs vs viability, and which degrees to go after... Yet instead of punishing them for being lousy parents who didn't prepare her for the world and do their actual JOBS, SHE, as a child, should be the one punished? Brilliant!

Personally I think she and other people who get basket weaving degrees should have the foresight and responsibility to see what they can earn in the future with said degree. Maybe my parents gave me the real world insight and advice to pursue something that can pay well, but I would like to give myself some credit for making that choice too...

I really would like the old folks here to try and picture what it would be like if you just graduated within the last few years and got a decent job. Calculate and see how much you need to save up to get into a place you would like to be. Yes our generation bitches a ton, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to.

 

[zanejohnson]

At least women can sell their body to make money.

exactly....i'll never feel bad for a brokeass woman.... and i'll never buy a brokeass woman anything....until she slobs on me for a bit at least..

 

[zanejohnson]

but in reality.. it's not surprising, this country is so fucked economically at this point.. out of like the 10 friends iv'e kept up with over the last 10 years...


4 or 5 have jobs.... and they are less than 15 dollar an hour jobs... none of them own a home, all of them struggle just to eat and pay rent.... 3 are in prison, lol...

yeah this country is very fucked... get used to it.

 

[Zebo]

probably philosophy, the worlds most useless degree

What's the problem Chelsea Clinton got that and got $600,000 a year right out of college.

 

[shadow9d9]

Personally I think she and other people who get basket weaving degrees should have the foresight and responsibility to see what they can earn in the future with said degree. Maybe my parents gave me the real world insight and advice to pursue something that can pay well, but I would like to give myself some credit for making that choice too...

I really would like the old folks here to try and picture what it would be like if you just graduated within the last few years and got a decent job. Calculate and see how much you need to save up to get into a place you would like to be. Yes our generation bitches a ton, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to.

His suggestion was that the parents, who failed at their jobs, should punish her. I was pointing out that this made no sense, since they were the ones actually guilty of allowing their child to put themselves in that position. Should she have common sense? Sure. Still, it makes no sense that the child should be punished, but not the adult parents that failed at their job for 20 full years and should know better. She is just starting her life. They have 40+ years of experience and allowed it to happen.

I simply didn't understand the suggestion that the child, who was just following her parents' (lack of) guidance should be the one punished out of the two.

 

[Drako]

The millennials will be the ones getting the last laugh when the boomers try to sell their homes that rose 400% In value over their lifetimes when they retire and go to downsize. The millennials have time on their side. One more downturn and the boomers retirement goes poof into the abyss of paper losses. The boomers shouldn't be so smug about what they think millennials should or should not be buying. What are the odds of a downturn over the next 10-20 years? Pretty much guaranteed. You had the 70's oil crisis, 1987 2001 and 2008. Good luck old tards, even if the millennials do move out of the overpriced neighborhoods that's going to leave nothing but a geriatric husk of a neighborhood economy wise 10 years down the road. Young people spend the most money, not soon to be fixed income boomers no matter how far they shove their head up their arse and sing lalalalalalalla hope my retirement pans out.

Wow, you sound like you got screwed by your loving parents. :hmm:

Left out of the will? :biggrin:

 

[Hugo Drax]

Times have changed. As we become poorer you will see this more.

I've traveled the world and adults living with parents is fairly common even 3-4 generations in the same house!!!

Today more than ever it's important to push you kids into fields which have potential of employment e.g. medicine, petroleum engineering, accouting etc.

If your kids don't want any part of college or dont have aptitude send them to tech school for stuff like HVAC repair, plumbing, cell tower repair and what not which are very good jobs.

Eitherway you need to sit down with them and make a plan. No more of this "whatever makes you happy dear" wont work in todays economy

If they don't have the aptitude or problem solving skills etc.. they wont cut it for things like HVAC repair, plumbing, cell tower repair etc..


The reason they went to college and got the easy degree was due to the minimum of effort required to attain the degree.

That person is not gonna cut it at a tech school having to learn how to troubleshoot a commercial HVAC system. No way. It would require too much thinking, too much problem solving skills, reading comprehension and too much effort.

A lot of college programs are "Paint by numbers" it is real hard to fuck up and real easy to graduate for the average person, even with that some people take longer than 4 years to finish. That is what happens when you spend 4 years painting by numbers and then you graduate to the real world which is a blank canvas and a bucket of brushes, you cant cut it and end up like that girl.

 

[Mai72]

If they don't have the aptitude or problem solving skills etc.. they wont cut it for things like HVAC repair, plumbing, cell tower repair etc..


The reason they went to college and got the easy degree was due to the minimum of effort required to attain the degree.

That person is not gonna cut it at a tech school having to learn how to troubleshoot a commercial HVAC system. No way. It would require too much thinking, too much problem solving skills, reading comprehension and too much effort.

A lot of college programs are "Paint by numbers" real hard to fuck up, real easy to graduate for the average person.

I agree. We've gotten ourselves in a difficult situation and it's going to be an issue that's going to have to be dealt with soon. The problem is a lot of people feel like their entitled to everything. How many young people actually work while attending college? How many people are working in their teenage years? You build the essential skills needed to succeed when you begin work. The problem is a lot of young people put off work until they're in their mid-20's anymore. I was working at 13 years old. I was cleaning tables and washing dishes. Few young people want to do this anymore. In my area, the only young people I see working are the young college students from other countries. I hardly see young American teenagers working anymore. Does anyone else notice this as well?

When my parents had their restaurant they were reluctant to hire American kids. Normally they were the worst workers and they always wanted days off. We had kids ask for days off during the busiest times of the year.

Not everyone is like this.

 

[Zebo]

I agree. We've gotten ourselves in a difficult situation and it's going to be an issue that's going to have to be dealt with soon. The problem is a lot of people feel like their entitled to everything. How many young people actually work while attending college? How many people are working in their teenage years? You build the essential skills needed to succeed when you begin work. The problem is a lot of young people put off work until they're in their mid-20's anymore. I was working at 13 years old. I was cleaning tables and washing dishes. Few young people want to do this anymore. In my area, the only young people I see working are the young college students from other countries. I hardly see young American teenagers working anymore. Does anyone else notice this as well?

When my parents had their restaurant they were reluctant to hire American kids. Normally they were the worst workers and they always wanted days off. We had kids ask for days off during the busiest times of the year.

Not everyone is like this.

lol My Parents are immigrants and my dad eventually had a lighting manufacturing company. He wouldnt hire Americans. Not racist just bad economics. Is it any wonder Chamber of Commerce wants amnesty?

 

[Zebo]

If they don't have the aptitude or problem solving skills etc.. they wont cut it for things like HVAC repair, plumbing, cell tower repair etc..


The reason they went to college and got the easy degree was due to the minimum of effort required to attain the degree.

That person is not gonna cut it at a tech school having to learn how to troubleshoot a commercial HVAC system. No way. It would require too much thinking, too much problem solving skills, reading comprehension and too much effort.

A lot of college programs are "Paint by numbers" it is real hard to fuck up and real easy to graduate for the average person, even with that some people take longer than 4 years to finish. That is what happens when you spend 4 years painting by numbers and then you graduate to the real world which is a blank canvas and a bucket of brushes, you cant cut it and end up like that girl.

 

[highland145]

I hoit your wittle feelings!

Bwahahaha

You haven't even attempted.

Well I thought I pointed out that you're butt hurt, literally, because some old person touched you.:\

Hell, you can't even use the copy and paste button to get my name right in your signature.

Whoosh.

Then, they outsourced tons of jobs, raised tuition by a few thousand percent, inflated the job market, used greed to collapse the financial/worldwide market twice, blew trillions upon trillions on wasteful wars and federal spending, eroded unions, got rid of pensions, got rid of company loyalty.

So make your own way. You aren't promised shit.

And the real life examples posted here, of people succeeding, must be bogus since you haven't.

I simply didn't understand the suggestion that the child, who was just following her parents' (lack of) guidance should be the one punished out of the two.

And you ridicule me because my child did physical labor and earned $$? Labor...oh, the horror.

I got your name exactly right in my sig. And I'm not really sorry you have a crap ton of college debt and a useless degree. That is until the debts are forgiven.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont blame them. At school I hate working with American students. Especially white females. Most of them are just a little too dumb & lazy to be good teammates, especially where my grades are concerned.

I usually try to work with Asian kids, ideally born out of the country. Asians born here only take one generation before they turn full-on American and get irritating.

 

[highland145]

If they don't have the aptitude or problem solving skills etc.. they wont cut it for things like HVAC repair, plumbing, cell tower repair etc..


That person is not gonna cut it at a tech school having to learn how to troubleshoot a commercial HVAC system. No way. It would require too much thinking, too much problem solving skills, reading comprehension and too much effort.

True but what's those people's options?

We're screwed if we don't get manufacturing back and protect our interests. There will be a few haves and a lot of have nots. And some want to let millions in that will gladly work for less than minimum wage, taking more jobs from low income Americans? Mind blowing.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/annie-kasinecz/21/367/b55

Her degree is in communication and interests are "Work life balance". Degree in communications qualifies you for the same jobs as a highschool degree and "work life balance" is a euphemism for "I'll be halfway to my car at at 4:59pm"

Work life balance is a fine interest to have but it is not one you advertise when you are unemployed. I would think that a communications major would know that.

On another note the article hit on some good points. Gone are the days when a bachelors degree means guaranteed employment, much less guaranteed comfortable employment. Too many people are getting a bachelors now. This has diluted the value of the degree considerably, though the cost of obtaining a bachelors has skyrocketed. A bachelors used to be a sign that someone had a brain. Now for many it is a sign that they can simply find a school that will issue them a piece of paper in exchange for enough money.

My hope is that one of these days people in this country will stop assuming that the road to better things is unequivocally through more education.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

The problem is a lot of young people put off work until they're in their mid-20's anymore. I was working at 13 years old. I was cleaning tables and washing dishes. Few young people want to do this anymore. In my area, the only young people I see working are the young college students from other countries. I hardly see young American teenagers working anymore. Does anyone else notice this as well?

I've noticed it and have even gone so far as to ask some local business owners about it. Not to make excuses for the young, but in my area when the economy tanked in 2009 it forced many retired people back into the workforce. Many of those people are competing for the same jobs that teenagers would typically do in my area (grocery bagger, checkout, stocking, retail, movie theater, etc.). In my area you are more likely to a 60+ year old bagging groceries at the three local grocers than you are a teenager.

That said there are still opportunities for teens who want to work. Hell when I was 14 I had a pretty good lawn mowing business going. I would do most yards for 10 bucks (back in 1991) and I had ~15 lawns a week a one point. Not bad pay for a young kid. Particularly when my dad helped me out by letting me use his lawnmower.

 

[Atreus21]

The Boomerang Kids Won't Leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101776842

After graduating from Loyola University Chicago, Kasinecz struggled to support herself in the midst of the recession, working a series of unsatisfying jobs—selling ads at the soon-to-be bankrupt Sun-Times, bagging groceries at Whole Foods


Bagging Groceries after getting a degree from Loyola University?

Thats a good school, High ranking MBA program.

Epic Fail if you graduate from Loyola University and your bagging groceries right next to the highschool dropout.

Eh. My brother got a Master's Degree in Music Performance from FSU. His first job was delivering pizza.

I imagine when you get a degree like that, you have certain expectations of immediate difficulty once you graduate.