EPIC Fail, Graduate from Loyola University end up a Grocery Bagger.

[Pr0d1gy]

Nobody owes you a damn thing.

You fail to see the forest from the trees.

 

[TheSlamma]

Don't make it about the one person, the article is talking about this joke generation that can't get off the tit.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Helicopter/over-coddling parents and kids who think that they'll be 100% happy working their dream job, if they could only find it. These people need more Mike Rowe.

 

[Hugo Drax]

True but what's those people's options?

We're screwed if we don't get manufacturing back and protect our interests. There will be a few haves and a lot of have nots. And some want to let millions in that will gladly work for less than minimum wage, taking more jobs from low income Americans? Mind blowing.

None. Back in the days, the Surplus population would die of disease, wars and starvation.

At some point the surplus population will grow to a point that it will be unsustainable and some kind of correction would occur. (ie: civil war, etc..)

 

[shadow9d9]

Bwahahaha

Well I thought I pointed out that you're butt hurt, literally, because some old person touched you.:\

Whoosh.
So make your own way. You aren't promised shit.

And the real life examples posted here, of people succeeding, must be bogus since you haven't.

And you ridicule me because my child did physical labor and earned $$? Labor...oh, the horror.

I got your name exactly right in my sig. And I'm not really sorry you have a crap ton of college debt and a useless degree. That is until the debts are forgiven.

I graduated without any debt, from a scholarship, and I've owned my own business for 11 years now, since my Junior year in college.

So, aside from simply making up things out of thin air, to try to attack me with, you haven't even attempted once to address any of my legitimate points. Again, if you don't have the capacity to respond, then it is best to simply walk away. Alternatively, you could make a fool out of yourself with "lol" and "I will make this up about you and then pretend it is real, so I could attack you!"

"And the real life examples posted here, of people succeeding" - A handful of anecdotes do literally NOTHING to contradict any of the legitimate issues that are stumbling blocks that this generation has to deal with, that the elderly did not have to deal with, and were created BY the elderly for this new generation.

 

[Mai72]

None. Back in the days, the Surplus population would die of disease, wars and starvation.

At some point the surplus population will grow to a point that it will be unsustainable and some kind of correction would occur. (ie: civil war, etc..)

I agree with this statement.

No one wants to die but death serves a purpose. It thins out the population so the remaining few can thrive and prosper. Survival of the fittest! Today, we don't have the world wars, diseases and natural disasters that was once a part of the past. People are living longer and healthier which is great. The downside to this is they aren't dying quickly enough, so they are competing for jobs and taking valuable resources.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I agree with this statement.

No one wants to die but death serves a purpose. It thins out the population so the remaining few can thrive and prosper. Survival of the fittest! Today, we don't have the world wars, diseases and natural disasters that was once a part of the past. People are living longer and healthier which is great. The downside to this is they aren't dying quickly enough, so they are competing for jobs and taking valuable resources.

So the options are:

1) Create an economic system that accommodates the larger population.
2) Buy a gun, put it to your head, and help address the problem.

 

[shortylickens]

Did anyone else notice the OP's Title is an epic fail?


The girl did not END UP as a grocery bagger. Its the first job she had out of school. She's still got her whole life to accomplish god-knows-what kind of cool shit!

 

[shadow9d9]

Did anyone else notice the OP's Title is an epic fail?


The girl did not END UP as a grocery bagger. Its the first job she had out of school. She's still got her whole life to accomplish god-knows-what kind of cool shit!

When your argument is weak and you simply want to demonize people, you purposely misrepresent the other side and then attack.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I usually try to work with Asian kids, ideally born out of the country.

Me too. I loved them, so easy to push around. "You do all the actual work and math and a I will put it in a Powerpoint and present it." .

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Did anyone else notice the OP's Title is an epic fail?


The girl did not END UP as a grocery bagger. Its the first job she had out of school. She's still got her whole life to accomplish god-knows-what kind of cool shit!

No she doesn't. If you didn't accomplish an entire career's worth of achievements within six months of graduating, you are a failure and should never have gone to college in the first place.

So many people dropping out of college to become billionaires, hell, if you graduate you're a failure.

Meanwhile, a guy I knew in high school started a landscaping business. 5 years later, he was a millionaire with a bunch of employees of his own, not in debt like all those college students!

Etc.

Failure is relative to your goals, not external criteria.

 

[Black Octagon]

Degree in what exactly...?

+1
(and with what marks?)

Barely scraping through any 'easy' degree simply looks bad. Even if it's from the best uni in the world.

Been literally decades since a degree was a distinguishing achievement in and of itself

 

[alkemyst]

The Boomerang Kids Won't Leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101776842

After graduating from Loyola University Chicago, Kasinecz struggled to support herself in the midst of the recession, working a series of unsatisfying jobs—selling ads at the soon-to-be bankrupt Sun-Times, bagging groceries at Whole Foods


Bagging Groceries after getting a degree from Loyola University?

Thats a good school, High ranking MBA program.

Epic Fail if you graduate from Loyola University and your bagging groceries right next to the highschool dropout.

A close friend of mine had both a PhD and MBA working for $9/hr packing boxes because they couldn't find any other work. I don't know the exact schools, but they were decent ones.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

A close friend of mine had both a PhD and MBA working for $9/hr packing boxes because they couldn't find any other work. I don't know the exact schools, but they were decent ones.

After getting my Master's I needed some downtime too.

With a PhD, academic hiring is seasonal and it's a very competitive market.

 

[CountZero]

Helicopter/over-coddling parents and kids who think that they'll be 100% happy working their dream job, if they could only find it. These people need more Mike Rowe.

The parents/society shoulder some of the blame for the outlook of a generation.

I was the first in my family on either side to even go to college. My parents told me (and honestly believed) that going to college was a golden ticket that all but guaranteed you a good job. Never did the topic of what to study come up. Nor did the idea that you could graduate college and end up worse off for the experience cross their mind.

It wasn't just parents either. Pop culture, especially TV shows aimed at tweens and teens, basically laid it down as going to college equals success and not going equals failure and a life of abject poverty. I don't watch the modern versions of those shows but I imagine not much has changed.

I went to college with numerous people that had no idea why they were there aside from it's what they were told to do. They squandered loans, grants and their parent's money aimlessly until they were forced to choose a major and just go for it.

For me personally I never felt more lied to than riding a bus at 3am to Radio Shack to help open on Black Friday. It was naive of me to think of a degree as some kind of magic bullet that just opens all doors but it is what you are told over and over again. These days the reality is that a degree doesn't open doors it just keeps them from being slammed in your face but that narrative wasn't being shared when I was young and I doubt it is being shared today.

 

[alkemyst]

After getting my Master's I needed some downtime too.

With a PhD, academic hiring is seasonal and it's a very competitive market.

Both these guys were not looking for down time. They were unemployed for years at that point.

They even both included letters that they know they are over-qualified, but do not plan to jump ship.

It was sad. I was out there one day helping load a truck and these guys really hustled.

I do understand down time and taking an easy job for a bit to recover. I did that at one point.

 

[Hugo Drax]

A close friend of mine had both a PhD and MBA working for $9/hr packing boxes because they couldn't find any other work. I don't know the exact schools, but they were decent ones.

Probably spent too many years in school. Probably 7-8 years and never held a job till after attaining the degree.

It's like overlooking a steak. PhDs are useless unless your planning the University professor track and working towards tenure.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

The parents/society shoulder some of the blame for the outlook of a generation.

I was the first in my family on either side to even go to college. My parents told me (and honestly believed) that going to college was a golden ticket that all but guaranteed you a good job. Never did the topic of what to study come up. Nor did the idea that you could graduate college and end up worse off for the experience cross their mind.

It wasn't just parents either. Pop culture, especially TV shows aimed at tweens and teens, basically laid it down as going to college equals success and not going equals failure and a life of abject poverty. I don't watch the modern versions of those shows but I imagine not much has changed.

I went to college with numerous people that had no idea why they were there aside from it's what they were told to do. They squandered loans, grants and their parent's money aimlessly until they were forced to choose a major and just go for it.

For me personally I never felt more lied to than riding a bus at 3am to Radio Shack to help open on Black Friday. It was naive of me to think of a degree as some kind of magic bullet that just opens all doors but it is what you are told over and over again. These days the reality is that a degree doesn't open doors it just keeps them from being slammed in your face but that narrative wasn't being shared when I was young and I doubt it is being shared today.

Yeah, college isn't a magic wand. But I knew a lot of first-gens who thought it was. Or their parents did.

I call it "cargo cult education policy."

Strategery is importants.

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, college isn't a magic wand. But I knew a lot of first-gens who thought it was. Or their parents did.

I call it "cargo cult education policy."

Strategery is importants.

People just assumed that college being a ticket to success removed all the other prerequisites, when it really just added an additional one. You still need hard work, drive, good social skills, and a bit of luck.

 

[SP33Demon]

A close friend of mine had both a PhD and MBA working for $9/hr packing boxes because they couldn't find any other work. I don't know the exact schools, but they were decent ones.

and what was the phd in, history? MBA's aren't worth much either nowadays unless it's from a top 5 school like Michigan. Many Universities offer online MBA programs for cheaper than my instate graduate tuition which is around $500/credit.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

People just assumed that college being a ticket to success removed all the other prerequisites, when it really just added an additional one. You still need hard work, drive, good social skills, and a bit of luck.

*nods sagely*

Yup.

 

[Imp]

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For me personally I never felt more lied to than riding a bus at 3am to Radio Shack to help open on Black Friday. It was naive of me to think of a degree as some kind of magic bullet that just opens all doors but it is what you are told over and over again. These days the reality is that a degree doesn't open doors it just keeps them from being slammed in your face but that narrative wasn't being shared when I was young and I doubt it is being shared today.

Oh yeah... I still remember every time mommy shamed and disciplined me cause I got something lower than 100%. You wouldn't believe the shit I got for a B+ on a math test. Then when I graduated from my graduate degree, more shaming about how it wasn't a PhD. It was all worth it though... Thanks a lot for destroying my self-esteem and self-confidence, mom.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah, college isn't a magic wand. But I knew a lot of first-gens who thought it was. Or their parents did.

I call it "cargo cult education policy."

Strategery is importants.

College used to be a holy grail. Our socialism-backed policies have turned college into grades 13-16 now and totally devalued most degrees.

Fuck in some places you can get a full-ride to State Junior Colleges with just a 2.0-3.0 average in high school and then get full-ride to a State College maintaining a 3.0ish average.

 

[shadow9d9]

College used to be a holy grail. Our socialism-backed policies have turned college into grades 13-16 now and totally devalued most degrees.

Fuck in some places you can get a full-ride to State Junior Colleges with just a 2.0-3.0 average in high school and then get full-ride to a State College maintaining a 3.0ish average.

Haha. "Socialism based policies." Umm, no. Our greed based capitalistic policies have ensured marketing of 100k loans to mere children and the pure capitalist/randyian policies of eliminating jobs through outsourcing, removing of union based jobs race to the bottom have complimented the extreme college costs by giving people no option aside from going to college to compete.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Oh yeah... I still remember every time mommy shamed and disciplined me cause I got something lower than 100%. You wouldn't believe the shit I got for a B+ on a math test. Then when I graduated from my graduate degree, more shaming about how it wasn't a PhD. It was all worth it though... Thanks a lot for destroying my self-esteem and self-confidence, mom.

Had the same experiance myself. I guess it worked out in the end cause I have a very well paying engineering job right out of college, but man, those years of constant ridicule in high school did a number on my self esteem.