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xeemzor

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damn, no dynamics experience.

Salaries are similar for SAP/Oracle. Your best bet to break in was still while you were at the big 4. I would try to reach out to your connections there to see if they are interested in hiring any experience folks, though it may be a long shot.
 

OutHouse

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Anyone with ERP implementation experience in Dynamics AX. Extra points if you were a project manager. I also posted in the networking thread so feel free to PM me if interested.

thats a pretty specific area and why its 6 figures. we just went through upgrading to syteline 9 last year.
 

fleshconsumed

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Apparently this is a reprint from NYT article over here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/22/magazine/its-official-the-boomerang-kids-wont-leave.html#

I'm not going to shame millennials for moving back in with their parents. I got lucky to get a job in 2007 just prior to the financial collapse a year later. If I graduated just a year later I would have been screwed. Even despite having a job I still lived with my parents for several years after graduation because I was feeling horrid about economy in general and because I wanted to save money. My girlfriend was not so lucky. She has BA in Anthropology and Master's in teaching and she also has special ed endorsement. Yet, she still works as a teaching assistant at $12 an hour because she can't find anything better. There is nothing out there for her. She keeps applying, from time to time she gets interviews, but 3 years after getting her Master's teaching degree she still can't get a teaching job. Millenials are truly facing difficulties not seen since great depression, and yes, I do think it's almost as bad. American's standard of living is rapidly declining. I have a number of friends who are working part time jobs because they can't find anything better, and even those who do have jobs are struggling to make a living. They're either upside down on their condo, struggling to make car payments, having to take on roommates, get help from family, etc, etc, etc... There is a generational divide that some people just do not see because neither they, nor their friends and family are affected by it.

However, I went through the slides on NYT website and I'm going to have to say WTF on the slide #12:
Lila Ash, 24, Washington Heights, N.Y.

Degree: B.F.A., painting, Rhode Island School of Design. Career goal: Cartoonist. Current job: Decorative finisher for an interior designer. Student loans: More than $25,000.

‘‘My mom’s happy I’m home. She gave me her room, and my sister has the other bedroom. She sleeps on the couch. My mom likes having us around: She cooks all the time and bakes all the time, and right now she’s making dinner, and she is really supportive. She’s helping me find a class where I can learn how to do Adobe Creative Suite and get certified so I can get a job that makes real money. She’s also newly unemployed, so she likes to cook and stuff to keep busy.’’

Way to go kicking your mom out of her bedroom and making her sleep on the couch. WTF? And shouldn't you be looking for those Adobe Creative Suite classes instead of making your mom? Unfortunately a few bad apples like her put the whole generation in the negative light, making it especially easy to paint them as slackers and spoiled entitled kids. In reality, most are not like her.
 

xeemzor

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thats a pretty specific area and why its 6 figures. we just went through upgrading to syteline 9 last year.

It's not just Dynamics AX, thought that is pretty hot right now. Most enterprise IT implementation jobs pay similar figures. Moreso if you are an independent contractor with rates up to ~130/hr, just ask IndyColtsFan.
 

jpiniero

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My girlfriend was not so lucky. She has BA in Anthropology and Master's in teaching and she also has special ed endorsement. Yet, she still works as a teaching assistant at $12 an hour because she can't find anything better. There is nothing out there for her.

Majoring in Anthropology was her mistake. Apparently in order to teach at the lower levels you need to major in Elementary Education and in the higher levels a major relevant to what you would be teaching (English, History, Math, etc). Having neither would make getting a teaching job really difficult these days.
 

fleshconsumed

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Majoring in Anthropology was her mistake. Apparently in order to teach at the lower levels you need to major in Elementary Education and in the higher levels a major relevant to what you would be teaching (English, History, Math, etc). Having neither would make getting a teaching job really difficult these days.

AFAIK the actual major doesn't matter as long as you have the certification. Nobody ever tells her why she is not getting the jobs she is interviewing for, but she thinks it's because of her Master's degree she had to do to get the teaching certificate and that makes her too expensive. She may have made a mistake, but if that was a mistake, it's the one that is very difficult if not impossible to correct and she's not alone in that. You can pin the blame all you want, but the fact is, it's a lot more difficult for millenials to get a start on their lives. That includes those with teaching degrees. With the states clamping down on education spending made it 100x more difficult to get a teaching job. The year she did her teaching internship (or whatever they call it) was the year when the schools started laying off people en masse and when every single teacher in the school she was interning started wearing pink ribbons so show support for those laid off. Sigh...
 

shadow9d9

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AFAIK the actual major doesn't matter as long as you have the certification. Nobody ever tells her why she is not getting the jobs she is interviewing for, but she thinks it's because of her Master's degree she had to do to get the teaching certificate and that makes her too expensive. She may have made a mistake, but if that was a mistake, it's the one that is very difficult if not impossible to correct and she's not alone in that. You can pin the blame all you want, but the fact is, it's a lot more difficult for millenials to get a start on their lives. That includes those with teaching degrees. With the states clamping down on education spending made it 100x more difficult to get a teaching job. The year she did her teaching internship (or whatever they call it) was the year when the schools started laying off people en masse and when every single teacher in the school she was interning started wearing pink ribbons so show support for those laid off. Sigh...

Don't forget that teaching used to give insane pensions that don't exist anymore. Teacher in the 80s in NYC? You are now retired, making 100k a year plus full health insurance.
 

shortylickens

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This thread makes me sad when we still can't find people for my line of work. The starting salary with 3 years of experience is six figures, with full benefits and incentives, and 45 hour work weeks.

HOW THE FUCK DO I GET EXPERIENCE IF YOU WONT GIVE ME ANY?


 

Aldon

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There is a thing called internships and sucking your boss' cock under his desk. That's the real way of getting hands-on experience.
 

LegendKiller

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There is a thing called internships and sucking your boss' cock under his desk. That's the real way of getting hands-on experience.

Internships in the post-crisis world, at least in finance, have become far more rare. Part of that is the notion that they *HAVE* to be paid, and paid reasonably well. Because of that companies are a lot less likely to hire them. I told my boss repeatedly I'd like to have one over the summer since I have a lot of data-grunt work to do, but we couldn't get one due to budgetary reasons.

All part of the same old "stretch the existing workers" ploy companies are doing.
 

Imp

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Majoring in Anthropology was her mistake. Apparently in order to teach at the lower levels you need to major in Elementary Education and in the higher levels a major relevant to what you would be teaching (English, History, Math, etc). Having neither would make getting a teaching job really difficult these days.

I've actually been looking into becoming a teacher. My impression is that majoring in English is the most desirable in that leaves the most teaching opportunities open (i.e. grade ranges).

Right now, my impression is that the most directly unemployable majors (with just undergrad) are the most preferred for teaching... "Academic" majors are preferred/required. Huh?

I think I might qualify for teaching two majors that are science/math related, but I want to do social studies...
 

Ns1

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I've actually been looking into becoming a teacher. My impression is that majoring in English is the most desirable in that leaves the most teaching opportunities open (i.e. grade ranges).

Right now, my impression is that the most directly unemployable majors (with just undergrad) are the most preferred for teaching... "Academic" majors are preferred/required. Huh?

I think I might qualify for teaching two majors that are science/math related, but I want to do social studies...

I have 4 friends that are teachers, 2 miraculously got employed and 2 are constantly searching for work. that shit is rough.
 

Imp

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I have 4 friends that are teachers, 2 miraculously got employed and 2 are constantly searching for work. that shit is rough.

Yep... Colleges probably pumping out too many teachers. It's law school or teacher's college if you can't get a job?

Governments loaded with debt and cutting back doesn't help.
 

shortylickens

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Which is funny cuz all I hear from parents is complaints that classes are too damn big and theres not enough teachers.

So where the hell is the disconnect?
 

Kaido

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Epic Fail if you graduate from Loyola University and your bagging groceries right next to the highschool dropout.

What stinks is that the bills keep coming. I'm back in school & Uconn just announced a 6.5% tuition hike. We are doing an absolute crap job of investing in the future of America. We've outsourced all of the manufacturing jobs & now we're shooting the next generation in the foot by making college so expensive that kids will have student loan debt for the rest of their lives. Boomerang kids = less investment in housing because they're paying off school loans rather than investing in a mortgage every month. Garbage. This bothers me a lot :thumbsdown:
 

Aldon

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You're paying for brands, not education. There have been numerous discussions and articles published regarding marketable degrees and names. There will ALWAYS be losers, and blaming someone else for it makes you a much bigger loser.
 

Aldon

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Internships in the post-crisis world, at least in finance, have become far more rare. Part of that is the notion that they *HAVE* to be paid, and paid reasonably well. Because of that companies are a lot less likely to hire them. I told my boss repeatedly I'd like to have one over the summer since I have a lot of data-grunt work to do, but we couldn't get one due to budgetary reasons.

All part of the same old "stretch the existing workers" ploy companies are doing.

So there is a limit or minimum salary for interns? Who sets those and why?
 

Exterous

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I've actually been looking into becoming a teacher. My impression is that majoring in English is the most desirable in that leaves the most teaching opportunities open (i.e. grade ranges).

Right now, my impression is that the most directly unemployable majors (with just undergrad) are the most preferred for teaching... "Academic" majors are preferred/required. Huh?

I think I might qualify for teaching two majors that are science/math related, but I want to do social studies...

It depends on your state but a lot of states have made it pretty hard for new teachers to find jobs. From our own personal experience Math seems to be the more in demand certification, at least at the HS level. My wife has two certifications and even when she interviews for her primary they always ask if she would be willing to teach math

Something else to keep in mind - continuing education costs. Many states (Like Michigan) require you to take and pay for continuing education classes which may include getting a Master's degree. So be aware that teaching may tie you more closely into the college tuition spiral. I am thankful we are almost done paying for her's out of pocket.
 

Imp

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It depends on your state but a lot of states have made it pretty hard for new teachers to find jobs. From our own personal experience Math seems to be the more in demand certification, at least at the HS level. My wife has two certifications and even when she interviews for her primary they always ask if she would be willing to teach math

*shudders*

I spent most of my life in math classes -- extra classes outside school, lots of "academic" classes in high school, most of college was essentially math classes (engineering). Same boring routine of watching the instructor show you a formula, go through an example, then tell you to practice using the textbook in class or at home. Limited discussion, group work, or non-technical/math analyses.

In high school, most classes were filled with the stereotypical nerds with poor social skills -- including myself -- who'd either not talk, not speak English, or blow off the work telling everyone how smart they were. Instructors were also not the most people-friendly.

No thank you...
 

IndyColtsFan

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HOW THE FUCK DO I GET EXPERIENCE IF YOU WONT GIVE ME ANY?



If you're serious, the first step is to get a couple of small certifications (like an A+ or maybe Network+) and then work on a help desk or as a desktop support tech somewhere. From that spot, work your way up to a server/network engineer position to get more experience, and from there, specialize in a specific area and go the consulting route.
 

xeemzor

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If you're serious, the first step is to get a couple of small certifications (like an A+ or maybe Network+) and then work on a help desk or as a desktop support tech somewhere. From that spot, work your way up to a server/network engineer position to get more experience, and from there, specialize in a specific area and go the consulting route.

This. The other option is to go back to school for a very specific, targeted program. I know many people who got great jobs after completing a 1 year accounting program, often from unrelated fields. The key is to know what you want before you enter the program and tailor your experiences towards the job. Don't go in expecting it all to work out with minimal effort or you will waste a ton of money.
 

shortylickens

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If you're serious, the first step is to get a couple of small certifications (like an A+ or maybe Network+) and then work on a help desk or as a desktop support tech somewhere. From that spot, work your way up to a server/network engineer position to get more experience, and from there, specialize in a specific area and go the consulting route.

Yeah, we've had this conversation.
Nobody fucking hires me for those jobs either.


Probably because I'm a miserable piece of shit.
But whatever.
 
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