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bupkus

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EPOX 8RDA3+ appears on banner ad on the EPOX.COM

Banner lists:
200MHz Clock
6CH Audio
nForce2 SPP+MPC
1394
AGP 8X
SERIAL-ATA

I'm a little disappointed in the MPC particularly because of THW's recent article Sound can be hazardous to games.
Is the chip to shoot for the MPC-T? After waiting for the 8RDA3+ I just may go for another board like the ASUS.

I'm hoping Anandtech and THG both have retail copies of Epox's new nforce2 board and will report on them tomorrow or atleast this week.
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: bupkus
EPOX 8RDA3+ appears on banner ad on the EPOX.COM

Banner lists:
200MHz Clock
6CH Audio
nForce2 SPP+MPC
1394
AGP 8X
SERIAL-ATA

I'm a little disappointed in the MPC particularly because of THW's recent article Sound can be hazardous to games.
Is the chip to shoot for the MPC-T? After waiting for the 8RDA3+ I just may go for another board like the ASUS.

I'm hoping Anandtech and THG both have retail copies of Epox's new nforce2 board and will report on them tomorrow or atleast this week.
If it has Firewire, then that should be an indication that it does have the MCP-T, not the baseline MCP. I guess they do have the option to not use the nForce APU present in the MCP-T, but we'll see what they do.

 

yodayoda

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the + mobos have the MCP-T southbridge and one's without the + at MCP only.
 

majewski9

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I really couldnt care less about onboard sound seeing how my SB live has served me well for years. Frankly I couldnt care less about what tomsphotoshopguide.com says about sound hurting games. I mean we are talking a frames here and it wouldnt be noticeable to the naked eye. It would be nice to have the Nforce2 sound though.
 

WetWilly

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If it has Firewire, then that should be an indication that it does have the MCP-T,

Not quite true. Epox is using an Agere FireWire controller vs a PHY. The last board pic I saw also showed them using a Realtek 81xx LAN controller for the second NIC. It's astounding that they would dump the MCP-T in favor of the MCP then re-add external controllers for the second NIC and FireWire to replace the functionality lost by not using the MCP-T. Worse, the external controllers are PCI-based meaning you lose the advantages of having them integrated into the southbridge. It also looks like these same specs apply to the new 8RGA3+ as well.

If this were the non-"+" board it might be understandable. If they don't pass on some significant price savings, they're going to have their lunch eaten by the new Leadtek and Abit NF7-S 2.0 boards.
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: WetWilly
If it has Firewire, then that should be an indication that it does have the MCP-T,

Not quite true. Epox is using an Agere FireWire controller vs a PHY. The last board pic I saw also showed them using a Realtek 81xx LAN controller for the second NIC. It's astounding that they would dump the MCP-T in favor of the MCP then re-add external controllers for the second NIC and FireWire to replace the functionality lost by not using the MCP-T. Worse, the external controllers are PCI-based meaning you lose the advantages of having them integrated into the southbridge. It also looks like these same specs apply to the new 8RGA3+ as well.

If this were the non-"+" board it might be understandable. If they don't pass on some significant price savings, they're going to have their lunch eaten by the new Leadtek and Abit NF7-S 2.0 boards.
Ewwww, that's not good The more stuff they keep off the PCI bus, the better IMHO.
 

WetWilly

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Ewwww, that's not good

Ain't that the truth. I even looked up the specs on the Agere FireWire hoping to confirm it wasn't a PCI controller, but it was. I don't know if that's worse than dumping the MCP-T's 3Com NIC for a Realtek which has throughput up to 35% lower than either of the MCP-T's NICs. I assumed Epox was going to use the FIC AU13 as the basis for the 8RDA3+ (the same way the FIC AU11 is the 8RDA+'s twin). The AU13 uses the MCP-T and adds optional SerialATA, a 4-pin 12v connector plus a header for an optional audio bracket to add the rear, center/sub and S/PDIF outs without jack sharing. The AU13 even has the pads for installing Epox' debug LED which FIC never uses. I was waiting for Epox' version of this board until I saw the preproduction version of the 8RDA3+. Those prelim specs were enough to push me toward the Abit NF-7S 2.0.

Considering the new versions of both the NF-7S and Leadtek boards are hitting 230-240MHz FSBs, unless Epox can hit 250MHz there won't be anything special about the 8RDA3+ unless they make it very inexpensive. Even then, if you consider the price/value of Abit's bundled Serillel SATA-to-Parallel ATA adapter (which usually goes for ~$25), the actual price of the NF7-S 2.0 is less than $100.

I'm a little disappointed in the MPC particularly because of THW's recent article Sound can be hazardous to games.

For the lack of a better word, that review is one of the suckiest sound card reviews I've ever seen. That article was SO bad I'd assume it's the author's first article, and he clearly doesn't have a clue. The Realtelk ALC650 isn't an audio controller it's a codec which depends on an audio controller that's somewhere else - in 99% of the boards out there, this controller is in the chipset's southbridge. IOW, his performance numbers are based on his testbed's onboard audio controller. Guess what - HE NEVER SAYS WHICH SYSTEM BOARD (and chipset) HE USES FOR THE REVIEW! That's like posting a bunch of results from a SoundBlaster and not bothering to mention whether it's a SB 64, SB 128PCI, SB Live!, SB Audigy or SB Audigy 2. Even worse, if the nForce2 MCP-T test bed wasn't an Asus it also used the Realtek ALC650. An interesting test would have been the nForce2 6-channel MCP-T audio vs regular MCP audio, both with the ALC650.
 

mamisano

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Personally, I want a new board, like yesterday. My 8K3A+ is a little long in the tooth and my SB-Live 5.1 is a pain in the ass. I was looking at the Abit NF7-S Rev2.0, but with funds being low I will probably wait to see how the 8RD3A+ pans out. I have both an Epox and Abit (KT7A running TbredA 1800+) board right now so I am not biased. I have been happy with Epox lately and would like to give them another shot . If not, Abit will probably be up to Rev 2.1 at that point and I'll go that route.
 
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