EPoX "EP-9NPA+Ultra" NVIDIA nForce4 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard

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bozack

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Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy

Eh. Sorry Bozack.

No problem PG...I should have known better having done this for so long but I am always like a little kid when I find out about something new and a new way to do something thus I just had to try the magic bios....

what stinks is that I could have solved my boot problem after a backflash by just unplugging my mouse as that was what was hanging the system...also I thought my NIC drivers were fubar so I rebuilt only to discover that somehow NVIDIA lan had gotten disabled...last night was not a good nigt...

Well I wanted to rebuild anyway so whatever..now I have a backup boot bios floppy just in case.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: goku2100
If you have to write the word Epox and a phrase pertaining to the reliability of the board, then automatic answer is NO, it's not reliable/a good idea. Epox=teh cheap POS just like shuttle and ECS (ecs is probably the best of the three but thats not saying much).

Do you have a clue about what your talking about?? you do realize that this board recieved an "Editors Choice" from this site right??

might want to try getting a clue before posting.


I don't care what got what rating, I've seen PC Magazine Give HP, Toshiba and Dell Laptops a higher rating in some cases than an IBM laptop but that doesn't mean I'm actually going to LISTEN to the rating. Dell and HP and especially toshiba are piss poor laptops compared to the IBM ones and yet they at times receive a higher rating. Sure they're trying to be unbiased, but the problem is they don't factor in the quality of product months or years after purchase. Sure it may seem great when you first buy it but a year later it may fall apart or have erronious errors. This is the same thing with epox, may seem great when you first get it but a year or two later and it's broke.

Edit: Where can I find this "editors choice" review link?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: goku2100
I don't care what got what rating, I've seen PC Magazine Give HP, Toshiba and Dell Laptops a higher rating in some cases than an IBM laptop but that doesn't mean I'm actually going to LISTEN to the rating. Dell and HP and especially toshiba are piss poor laptops compared to the IBM ones and yet they at times receive a higher rating. Sure they're trying to be unbiased, but the problem is they don't factor in the quality of product months or years after purchase. Sure it may seem great when you first buy it but a year later it may fall apart or have erronious errors. This is the same thing with epox, may seem great when you first get it but a year or two later and it's broke.

Edit: Where can I find this "editors choice" review link?

For someone who doesn't care, here is a link to the conclusion of the review:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=28

With regards to your laptop analogy, I am curious as to whether or not you have ever professionally supported any of those brands you mention, have any real tangible hands on experience, or are just talking out of what you have read on the net or elsewhere??

I have been a computer support professional for upwards of five years now and worked with all of the brands you mention above...when I was working for NASA they were using Toshiba librettos along with Compaq amada notebooks, when I was working for IBM we obviously used Thinkpads, when I was working for IBM at Manulife financial and then AstraZeneca there was a mix of Toshiba, dell, HP and Thinkpads, and now at my current company were are pretty much strictly HP/compaq with some Dells mixed in....

While I won't deny IBM Thinkpads were and are nice, the other companies have come out with some very good products as well, and the new generation of HP business class laptops in the EVO NC6220 series in my opinion makes the Thinkpad look as overpriced as it is....The Toshiba Tecra 8200 was a very nice laptop and easy to service, much like the Armada and EVO series Compaqs, generally I have nothing but good luck with dell inspirions...so while IBM makes (or rather made as who knows what will happen with lonovo) the others have had a couple of good ones out there too...buying on brand alone as pentium says really limts your choices, even ABIT, ASUS, MSI and the rest have bad boards from time to time...just like all of IBMs workstations are complete pieces of overpriced crap.

This is comming from someone who ran both an ECS K7S5a and an ABIT BH6, two of the most notorious boards for their suckness for upwards of three years each..and could have gone longer if I didn't upgrade for games.
 

SPQQKY

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md9n5525 is the best BIOS for the Ultra in my experience. Best stability and OCability.
I asked the Epox tech at AOA if they could implement DRAM Response Time and Drive Strength options in BIOS and he seemed pleased with the idea and said he was contacting Taiwan immediately.
Maybe we will see some major improvements with TCCD performance with the board. I know it is a killer board with my BH-5.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: goku2100
I don't care what got what rating, I've seen PC Magazine Give HP, Toshiba and Dell Laptops a higher rating in some cases than an IBM laptop but that doesn't mean I'm actually going to LISTEN to the rating. Dell and HP and especially toshiba are piss poor laptops compared to the IBM ones and yet they at times receive a higher rating. Sure they're trying to be unbiased, but the problem is they don't factor in the quality of product months or years after purchase. Sure it may seem great when you first buy it but a year later it may fall apart or have erronious errors. This is the same thing with epox, may seem great when you first get it but a year or two later and it's broke.

Edit: Where can I find this "editors choice" review link?

For someone who doesn't care, here is a link to the conclusion of the review:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=28

With regards to your laptop analogy, I am curious as to whether or not you have ever professionally supported any of those brands you mention, have any real tangible hands on experience, or are just talking out of what you have read on the net or elsewhere??

I have been a computer support professional for upwards of five years now and worked with all of the brands you mention above...when I was working for NASA they were using Toshiba librettos along with Compaq amada notebooks, when I was working for IBM we obviously used Thinkpads, when I was working for IBM at Manulife financial and then AstraZeneca there was a mix of Toshiba, dell, HP and Thinkpads, and now at my current company were are pretty much strictly HP/compaq with some Dells mixed in....

While I won't deny IBM Thinkpads were and are nice, the other companies have come out with some very good products as well, and the new generation of HP business class laptops in the EVO NC6220 series in my opinion makes the Thinkpad look as overpriced as it is....The Toshiba Tecra 8200 was a very nice laptop and easy to service, much like the Armada and EVO series Compaqs, generally I have nothing but good luck with dell inspirions...so while IBM makes (or rather made as who knows what will happen with lonovo) the others have had a couple of good ones out there too...buying on brand alone as pentium says really limts your choices, even ABIT, ASUS, MSI and the rest have bad boards from time to time...just like all of IBMs workstations are complete pieces of overpriced crap.

This is comming from someone who ran both an ECS K7S5a and an ABIT BH6, two of the most notorious boards for their suckness for upwards of three years each..and could have gone longer if I didn't upgrade for games.

Here, I'll give a list of laptops I've encountered, this will include laptops I've purchased, Loved ones purchased and ones I've worked on for others:
Dell Latitude PII -PIII, Used it between 2000-2002 (worked on/encountered). Build quality was ok, plastic felt like it was about to come off and the Pentium II system ran albiet slower than some other similar laptops I've used.

Sony Vaios- PCG F270 (PII 333MHZ), PCG F480 (PIII 600MHZ), 1GHZ Athlon based (forgot model number); Build quality on the first two seemed fairly good, nothing fell off/apart then agian were taken care of really well, Systems had proprietary software required for system to run, monitor on the 480 model for about a year would start to flicker like the backlight was turning off and on quickly and it kind of went away (about 3 yrs after purchase). The 270 model was very slow for a pentium II computer with a 333MHZ processor. The athlon 1GHZ based system was fairly fast, screen suffered same issue as the 480 model and the DVD/CDRW combo drive was defective, refused to read Certain CDs/wouldn't burn discs.

Toshibas: 3; 386, a Celeron based, and a Pentium II based (there were more but doesn't matter) 386 model, FDD went bad, and because of it going bad, no way to get information on to the computer so it was destroyed. The Celeron based laptop; keyboard would type random characters (The "K" key would type like a * etc.),mouse went bad, power jack went bad all after only 1 year!, laptop eventually wouldn't boot because of bad power jack and was destroyed/scrapped for parts as well. The pentium II system, keyboard would type random characters (The "K" would type like a * etc.), power jack went bad, laptop status is unknown because it was my sisters (assumes it was thrown away).

2 Dell 600M, mother's runs fine, speed was above average but nothing special, case still felt loose despite great care (DELL QUALITY!), sister's laptop; Screen feels wobbly, case very very loose, system overheated randomly one day and refused to turn on, RMA'ed to dell and motherboard fried, system runs fine agian but screen is still defective and case is still loose.

IBM: Pentium II based laptop, had very high end specs for it's time 1997/1998, I think it was a 380XD model, build quality was great, DVD drive and was very very fast, was my dad's but gave it away for unknown reasons. Pentium M based laptop (T42, one I currently have now) build quality is great, very fast and I've had Zero problems with.

Fujitsu: 1997 model, 755TX, average specs, limited upgrade path, build quality was fairly good, speed was nothing to write home about, few problems, laptop died after two years from juice spill, laptop was then scrapped for parts and the HDD died 8 yrs later.

HP laptop: 3 months old, build quality wasn't terrible but was only slightly better than dell, system was very slow, Penitum 4 based, 512MB ram. Ecountered because I was fixing it for a friend.

HP desktops: Pavilion 8275 Pentium 200MHZ, 32MB ram; system was fairly fast though this was after a full reinstall, system motherboard recently died. HP Pavilion Celeron 766MHZ 128MB ram, very very very SLOW, almost unbareable to use. HP Pavilion Pentium III 600MHZ, integrated video, limited upgrade path, speed is average and is only SLIGHTLY faster than my PCG F480 Sony laptop which runs at same speed though has 440BX chipset while the pavilion has the 815 chipset. Last two I encountered through friend's computers. (I added the HP desktops because I've had more experience with HP desktops than laptops).

Well, thats my experience with laptops
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: goku2100

Here, I'll give a list of laptops I've encountered, this will include laptops I've purchased, Loved ones purchased and ones I've worked on for others:
Dell Latitude PII -PIII, Used it between 2000-2002 (worked on/encountered). Build quality ...
Well, thats my experience with laptops

Ok that clears things up, so you have no real experience with business class machines and your experience is limited to a small sample scale...one has to remember that IBM really doesn't make laptops that they gear towards the low end consumer, instead they make a few variations targeted at the business market and also sold to consumers wheras virtually every other brand has their consumer grade equipment and their business class equipment with varying price points and build quality.

I am sure that if you had any experience with higher grade laptops/workstations from other brands such as I have had then you would see that they aren't nearly as bad as your post would suggest...

I have worked on literally thousands of varying laptop systems since 2000.
 

bupkus

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About the 9NPA+Ultra, would you download the chipset drivers from Epox or from nVidia?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: bupkus
About the 9NPA+Ultra, would you download the chipset drivers from Epox or from nVidia?

I installed the ones on the disc first and then installed the latest from NVIDIA.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: goku2100

Here, I'll give a list of laptops I've encountered, this will include laptops I've purchased, Loved ones purchased and ones I've worked on for others:
Dell Latitude PII -PIII, Used it between 2000-2002 (worked on/encountered). Build quality ...
Well, thats my experience with laptops

Ok that clears things up, so you have no real experience with business class machines and your experience is limited to a small sample scale...one has to remember that IBM really doesn't make laptops that they gear towards the low end consumer, instead they make a few variations targeted at the business market and also sold to consumers wheras virtually every other brand has their consumer grade equipment and their business class equipment with varying price points and build quality.

I am sure that if you had any experience with higher grade laptops/workstations from other brands such as I have had then you would see that they aren't nearly as bad as your post would suggest...

I have worked on literally thousands of varying laptop systems since 2000.

The sony Vaios and the Dell machines (exclude the M series) were purchased for business use I've seen what you "claim" as business class and they're nothing to phone home about. Tell me, what do YOU classify as "business class"? Just because Dell has something on their website saying "this is our business laptop", doesn't mean it's higher quality than the garbage they have on the consumer line...:roll: Or on the toshiba line either...

Oh and BTW, real mature of you to edit my post and quote it so that it appears I've worked with only 2 laptops...:roll:
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: goku2100

The sony Vaios and the Dell machines (exclude the M series) were purchased for business use I've seen what you "claim" as business class and they're nothing to phone home about. Tell me, what do YOU classify as "business class"? Just because Dell has something on their website saying "this is our business laptop", doesn't mean it's higher quality than the garbage they have on the consumer line...:roll: Or on the toshiba line either...

Oh and BTW, real mature of you to edit my post and quote it so that it appears I've worked with only 2 laptops...:roll:

Goku,

First off I did not edit your post to make it seem as if you had little experience but rather to save space, rather than quoting the whole thing I figured I would condense it abit...sorry you took that the wrong way as it was not intended as such.

Secondly while the Vaio was purchased for buisness use doesn't mean it was intended as such, yet I see your smiley though so I know what you are getting at...and if you didn't exclude the "M" Inspirion I might think you were just funnin me...

The Dell Latitude line that you mentioned is one that I personally would put into the business class market vs their inspirion line at the value segment, as well as the Toshiba Tecra series and Portege to some extent, for HP their older Armada class, and their current EVO line are marketed solely towards the business customer...Sony has nothing that I know of geared towards the business customer.

Personally I would put the Dell Latitudes, a few Toshibas (even though I hate them), and the new and old HPs at a much higher class than what the companies all market towards end users who shop at say best buy and what not...generally they are all pretty simple to service, their design is pretty basic, and for the most part they are rather rugged...I have had a good amount of problems with the Evo 610-620s due to crappy hitachi drives in them that love to fail, and with various Toshiba's over the years due to poor build and difficulty in cracking the case open to perform simple repairs like LCD swaps and what not...

IBM makes nice laptops but again as I said aren't geared towards anyone but the business/professional customer...they offer a few models and that is it...wheras every other company for the most part seperates their lines into utilitarian business products and feature ritch but often cheaped out home versions.

I didn't have many problems with the IBM T and X series laptops I was supporting however their periperials were often lacking, they were very expensive, and from a performance standpoint not much better and in some cases worse than comparable dell lattitudes and HP Evos..their X series was a complete joke as there was no provision for any internal optical drive..thus if someone wanted to use the IBM CD Rom on the go they either had to carry a USB optical or they had to lug their dock around with them making it more bulky and cumbersome than a T series..

However I don't see how this pertains to motherboards other than being a very loose comparison
 

SPQQKY

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I wish you two would take this laptop arguement to PMs. This is wasting time and space for post about the EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra. Unless you have something to say about it.........say no more.
Thanks.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: SPQQKY
I wish you two would take this laptop arguement to PMs. This is wasting time and space for post about the EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra. Unless you have something to say about it.........say no more.
Thanks.

All I gotta say is that EPOX sucks!
 

ShazK

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Thanks for the derailing. >.>

So, let me get ths straight... I haven't put my comp together yet, but I have this mobo and a venice core CPU... so what BIOS should I flash it to? Should I just use the default first and later on flash it to one that supports Venice? And what's a stable BIOS date for use with the venice...?
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: ShazK
Thanks for the derailing. >.>

So, let me get ths straight... I haven't put my comp together yet, but I have this mobo and a venice core CPU... so what BIOS should I flash it to? Should I just use the default first and later on flash it to one that supports Venice? And what's a stable BIOS date for use with the venice...?

I think you should return the motherboard and get a better one (assuming you CAN return it). I'm willing to give you $10 towards a better motherboard if you return this epox board.
 

enwar3

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k for all u guys that own this board, im buying ram with heatsinks on em.. is this gonna be a problem, since the dimm slots are so close together? its a 2x512mb set.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: ShazK
Thanks for the derailing. >.>

So, let me get ths straight... I haven't put my comp together yet, but I have this mobo and a venice core CPU... so what BIOS should I flash it to? Should I just use the default first and later on flash it to one that supports Venice? And what's a stable BIOS date for use with the venice...?

Mine came with the 3/22/05 bios and wasn't working that well with my venice core 3000 CPU, flashed to 06/29/2005 bios and everything worked well...tried to flash to 07/28/05 bios and didn't work, wouldn't load windows...talked to a few others who had hit or miss luck with it...going to stay with 6-29-05 as it is solid until I hear back from epox.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: goku2100

I think you should return the motherboard and get a better one (assuming you CAN return it). I'm willing to give you $10 towards a better motherboard if you return this epox board.

And what would you suggest is a better motherboard Goku? out of curiosity why the hate towards Epox?? sure they haven't had a spotless record but then again show me a mainboard company that has...Asus, MSI, DFI and the rest all have problems.

EDIT:

Ahh now I see why:

When ever I start up my computer it says "disk boot error" and when I hit the reset button on the front, it boots up normally. While I'm able to use the computer perfectly fine, I want to find out a way I can make it so that the computer doesn't do this every time I start up. It's an ABIT nforce 2 motherboard, the HDD runs fine but I'm still not sure why it does this every time I boot the machine

You have a POS mobo and just want to drag down others because you cannot solve your own problems...guess that will teach you for buying Abit.
 

ShazK

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So I'm getting the vibe that 6/29/05 is a good stable BIOS to flash to for Venice core. Thanks.
 

mdubrow

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Originally posted by: enwar3
does ram sticks with heatsinks fit on this mobo?

I have OCZ Platinum RAM (1GB chips), and I had no problems installing it on this board. True, the heatsinks are very close together (maybe even touching), but while you won't get a lot of airflow between the chips, there's plenty of room around/above them on the board. With good case cooling, you shouldn't have any problems with overheating RAM (or anything else, for that matter). I don't think this board goes above 3.1 on the VDIMM, anyway, so I doubt you can get your RAM too toasty.
 

mdubrow

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Originally posted by: ShazK
So I'm getting the vibe that 6/29/05 is a good stable BIOS to flash to for Venice core. Thanks.

My board came with 6/29 already installed, and I've had no stability problems with a 3500+ Venice (knock on wood). I didn't bother trying the later BIOS because it didn't look like it added anything.
 
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