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BigJ

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: HoMeZ
Hmmm extra $9 for the LED and EPOX sticker? or just get FIC AU11......
Does anyone know if aicmicro sends out 1.0 or 1.1?

Go Epox That is a pretty nice LED man, and come on, who doesn't like the sticker? Also, think of what your friends would say? "You got a FIC!?!?! Wtf is wrong with you, the Epox was only 9$ more"

Seriously, I'd say if you're going to overclock past 200FSB (doubt u will though), go for the Epox, seeing as the increments for the FIC get sketchy after that.

Need to save the 10$? Go for the FIC. Either way is a good decision, cause the FIC is overlcocking nicely in alot of reviews also.
 

HoMeZ

Senior member
Jan 20, 2003
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I don't even know how to o/c this will be my first attemp with a 1700+ throughbred but yea I guess i'll go for epox
 

HoMeZ

Senior member
Jan 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: BigJ2078
Originally posted by: HoMeZ
Hmmm extra $9 for the LED and EPOX sticker? or just get FIC AU11......
Does anyone know if aicmicro sends out 1.0 or 1.1?

Go Epox That is a pretty nice LED man, and come on, who doesn't like the sticker? Also, think of what your friends would say? "You got a FIC!?!?! Wtf is wrong with you, the Epox was only 9$ more"

Seriously, I'd say if you're going to overclock past 200FSB (doubt u will though), go for the Epox, seeing as the increments for the FIC get sketchy after that.

Need to save the 10$? Go for the FIC. Either way is a good decision, cause the FIC is overlcocking nicely in alot of reviews also.

Where did you read that it says the FIC gets sketchy after 200FSB and what the hell is FSB
 

BigJ

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: HoMeZ
Originally posted by: BigJ2078
Originally posted by: HoMeZ
Hmmm extra $9 for the LED and EPOX sticker? or just get FIC AU11......
Does anyone know if aicmicro sends out 1.0 or 1.1?

Go Epox That is a pretty nice LED man, and come on, who doesn't like the sticker? Also, think of what your friends would say? "You got a FIC!?!?! Wtf is wrong with you, the Epox was only 9$ more"

Seriously, I'd say if you're going to overclock past 200FSB (doubt u will though), go for the Epox, seeing as the increments for the FIC get sketchy after that.

Need to save the 10$? Go for the FIC. Either way is a good decision, cause the FIC is overlcocking nicely in alot of reviews also.

Where did you read that it says the FIC gets sketchy after 200FSB and what the hell is FSB

The options to overclock after 200FSB gets sketchy, considering their intervals start jumping in either 3 or 4, dont recall much.
What is FSB? I'll give you a short, sweet, simple explanation.

Whats the speed of an XP 1700+? 1.46ghz. But how do the companies get that speed? They take the clock multiplier and multiply that by the FSB. The clock multiplier on an XP 1700+ is 11, and the FSB is 133mhz. So thats how you get the 1.46ghz.

Overclocking in essence, is just changing either the multipler or the FSB, or both. With the new Nforce2 boards and KT400 boards, you can change the multipliers easily in the BIOS. So lets say you raise the multiplier from 11 to 12. Now the speed is 12 x 133, which is 1.596ghz.

The other way of overclocking is upping the FSB. Keeping the multiplier at 11, people will raise the FSB to 166mhz and beyond. For example. 11x166 = 1.826ghz. A pretty nice overclock.

The last (and usually giving the most performance), is adjusting the FSB and the multiplier. Say we want to have a really high FSB, say 183, but our chip maxes out at 1.82ghz. We know the chip can run at that speed, but if we set it to 11 x 183 (which is 2.013ghz), the computer isn't stable. So we decide to lower the multipler to 10. Then we set the FSB to 183. The chip is now running at 1.83ghz, and hopefully 100% stable. This will yield better performance then the 11x166 combo due to the higher FSB.

Now, this is all hypothetical, because overclocking can be limited by a number of factors.
1) Your ram speed. Don't expect PC2100 to run at 166mhz FSB unless you buy very good quality ram. Also, don't expect cheap quality RAM to run at a higher rated speed at all. Remember, the best performance for AMD systems is usually when the FSB and memory are run in sync.
2) Your power supply. If you're overclocking one of these puppies, always remember to check the voltages. Do not expect a 300w PSU that you got for 15$ to be able to overclock this puppy to 2ghz. If the voltages go 5% lower then their rated lines, may be signs that you need a beefier PSU to overclock some more.
3) Cooling. The stock heatsink fan is not your best cooler by any means. Really wanna overclock big? Your going to have to spend the money on a decent cooler. The SLK-800 + a fan that moves a decent amount of air w/ low dba measurements is your best combo for noise and performance. Although it will run you about 40$ shipped. In a bind, get the GC68 for $5 + shipping. Gave me a 425mhz overclock on my XP 2100+.
4) Voltage. This also ties in with cooling. If while overclocking, the computer starts to become unstable, try upping the voltage by .225 or .5v. Do this up to or around 1.85v to be safe (more extreme people will go higher).


EDIT: General Disclaimer: BTW, if you fvck up your cpu or any other of your computer equipment after reading what I wrote, I am in no way responsible in any shape or form. You overclocked and did it at your own risk, and only have yourself to kick for frying things. Enjoy.
 

turbodiesel

Senior member
Oct 21, 2002
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I ordered one from Mwave...originally ordered at tcwo, but called today and found out its backordered until Friday or next Monday....they actually werent that sure. I cancelled the order with tcwo and ordered with mwave. I am really surprised tcwo wasn't able to list reat time availability of their products, instead of that simple "limited availability" notice for that mobo.

 

TCWGM

Junior Member
Jan 27, 2003
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For those of you choosing to wait, the next shipment of the 8RDA+ to TCWO is expected this Friday. (I would actually plan for it to be Monday of next week to TCWO). Once recieved in, we will begin shipping them out to customers that afternoon. First order in, first order out.

Thanks to members of this board for pointing out the bad info we had on stock availability for this part. It has been changed.
 

BigJ

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: TCWGM
For those of you choosing to wait, the next shipment of the 8RDA+ to TCWO is expected this Friday. (I would actually plan for it to be Monday of next week to TCWO). Once recieved in, we will begin shipping them out to customers that afternoon. First order in, first order out.

Thanks to members of this board for pointing out the bad info we had on stock availability for this part. It has been changed.

Muahahhaah, first TCWO, then Microsoft, then the world. The AT forums rule all!

Nice of a company to actually address the general public. Always thought highly of TCWO, but they just jumped up a few notches in my book with this.
 

TCWGM

Junior Member
Jan 27, 2003
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Dug-

We processed your cancellation with the credit card company on 1/23/03. It takes 3 - 5 business days for the credit card company to apply this to your account. This is standard business practice from the credit card companies.

If in this timeframe, it does not get posted, email me directly and I will have it looked into.
 

Lumpydog

Junior Member
Nov 19, 2001
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TCWGM,

I have patiently waited for TCWO to ship my order, I hate to cancel my oder (Mobo, CPU, RAM etc?) & go with another vender, but I don?t want to be in limbo any longer, when are the 8RDA+?s that are on back order expected to be shipped?
 

TCWGM

Junior Member
Jan 27, 2003
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Lumpydog-

I wish I could give you a more definite answer than my previous post. I know that they are coming in via trucking, which means that they are typically +/- one to two days from the ETA date provided to us. Right now, the ETA date is this Friday (which is why I am saying Monday). Boards will ship out the day that they are recieved into TCWO. From there, it will depend on the shipment method you have chosen on when it arrives to you.

When it does leave our building, you will receive your tracking information.

That's about as solid an answer as I can give you right now.

We hate to lose your business, but we also do not want to set false expectations for our customers. That's not good business.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: BigJ2078
Originally posted by: TCWGM
For those of you choosing to wait, the next shipment of the 8RDA+ to TCWO is expected this Friday. (I would actually plan for it to be Monday of next week to TCWO). Once recieved in, we will begin shipping them out to customers that afternoon. First order in, first order out.

Thanks to members of this board for pointing out the bad info we had on stock availability for this part. It has been changed.

Muahahhaah, first TCWO, then Microsoft, then the world. The AT forums rule all!

Nice of a company to actually address the general public. Always thought highly of TCWO, but they just jumped up a few notches in my book with this.

Really? They went down a few notches in mine. TCWO is well aware that their lack of real-time inventory notification has caused trouble in the past and has done nothing to correct it. Now their apathy about resolving the matter has created another public relations nightmare and a single company drone comes here with fake apologies and sympathy and you're ready to give them a free pass? Not me. I and many other ordered that board and were notified 48 HOURS LATER that it was backordered. At that point it was too late to make arrangements to get the board from another vendor without losing the weekend. So I'm sitting here with every other part to a machine I desperately need and can't put it together because TCWO is clueless. They could have and should have fixed this problem a long time ago and they owe everyone the courtesy of TIMELY notification of a problem with an order, NOT 2 DAYS LATER! They failed miserably and all the insincere apologies in the world don't change that fact.

To top it all off, they billed everyone for the items that never shipped. So anyone whose credit card works on a cycle where the billing is on one statement and the retraction carries over to the next is in effect giving these clowns interest-free loans for a month. Nice little business plan you've got there TCWO. I would not trust you with a dime at this point. See you on Reseller Ratings and Bizrate guys. Now, how do you spell the word "thieves"...

 

zettler

Senior member
Nov 16, 1999
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I ordered my 8RDA+ from TWCO a week ago last Thursday, received confirmation, even talked to them on the telephone the next day, and received my new board early last week.

It was my first order with them and it came packed tightly, timely and in proper order. So I have to say thank you.

Now, I am happy look forward to putting a new PC all together this weekend from the old FREEBIE many of us bought for $299 three years ago from that "buying" service in NJ, using my new: EPOX 8RDA+ MB (TWCO), Powermax 350W PS (COMP-U-Plus), AMD Athlon 1700XP (NewEgg), ATI Radeon 9500Pro (CompUSA), WD 100G HD (Best Buy), Verbatrim DVD-RW (Staples), 512MG PC2700 (Samsung), and whatever else to be in a Windows XP Professional OS (MS for $35).

As this will only be my second PC that my 13 year-old son and I will try and put together - the first one kicks! - we are looking forward to this one and trying to O/C, once we get it up and running.

From what I hear the ATI Radeon 9500 Pro can be upgraded via software to the 9700 (Yeah! I hope), the AMD1700+ to un-Godly speeds, and the EPOX board is manna from Heaven.

Does that about sum up what I can expect?

Any and all suggestions on what else I can do (no, been there, done that, and had it done to "me" by exwife), or where I should tun to for detailed or semi-detailed instructions on what to do in order to "upgrade" or "overclock," is greatly appreciated!

Hey, one final note - this is my 100th post since I joined over 3 years ago. I am not slow, just steady and conservative!

Thanks to ALL for your past assistance, support and considerations!!!
 

TCWGM

Junior Member
Jan 27, 2003
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GagHalfrunt-


You always have the option to call our 800# and get real time inventory information. We are working on an online version of this.

We send out daily emails to our customers notifying them if one of the products they are ordered are out of stock.

We refund the credit card the same business day that cancellations are requested. Go yell at the credit card company if you are PO'd about giving someone an interest free loan. We certainly don't sit on that money for those 3-5 business days it takes to post it back.



 

Justus

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Sep 21, 2000
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The fun part of watching TCWO defend itself is waiting for them to show disrespect to a customer with a complaint. I'm still waiting.......

Not that they're perfect (NEED realtime inventory), but they sure are calm.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: TCWGM
GagHalfrunt-


You always have the option to call our 800# and get real time inventory information. We are working on an online version of this.

We send out daily emails to our customers notifying them if one of the products they are ordered are out of stock.

We refund the credit card the same business day that cancellations are requested. Go yell at the credit card company if you are PO'd about giving someone an interest free loan. We certainly don't sit on that money for those 3-5 business days it takes to post it back.

My My!! How quickly you went from concerned benefactor to snippy shrew when confronted by a screwed customer who was not willing to cut you unlimited slack on the basis of some past free Lifesavers. You could have ended this with a little dignity. You could have even improved your reputation with a solid promise to fix the problem and a timetable for you to correct your questionable billing practices. But instead you fall back on outright lies and the childish "it's not out fault we screwed up, it's your fault for being mad" defense. Okay, since you want to offer up such blatant falsehoods to defend yourself, allow me to puncture them:

1) You site does list certain items as being unavailable. That leads to customer belief that items that are not listed as being unavailable are in fact available. Do you honestly have a good faith belief that customers will call to check if an item is available when your site so clearly implies that it is? Do you really expect your customers to navigate through your phone system and endure long waits on hold (yes, I tested that first hand) just to check that an item is in stock when it's so clearly reasonable for the customer to expect the item to be in stock because the site says so?

2) You do not send out emails daily to notify customers of problems. In this case the order was placed early afternoon, well before close of business that day and the email notice went out past midnight of the following day. Nearly 40 hours between order and notice and given that some people sleep, nearly 48 hours from order to when a person that keeps normal hours can check their email. I have the email headers to prove that time frame and I bet others do too. Care to dispute it further?

3) It is financially beneficial for your company to maintain a charade of items being in stock when they're not. You do get free use of that money for however long it takes you to apply the credit and the customer potentially suffers for it.

So, you claim that you're an honest guy running an honest company, I challenge you to put up or shut up. You prove your honesty and integrity with actions, not with words and not with hollow apologies on a bulletin board, apologies that come across as nothing but attempts at spin-doctoring. Here's what you should do:

A) Immediately begin work on a real-time inventory tracking system. Every one of your competitors can handle it, if you can't you're either incompetent or apathetic. Which is it and what is your excuse for not having it done long before now?

B) Immediately and I do mean IMMEDIATELY stop pre-billing customers for items that you do not have in stock. It is dishonest and punishes the customer for the deficiencies within your own company. If you truly believe that you're not benefitting from "sitting on" the cash flow from pre-billed backorders and the credit delay of order cancellations then you have nothing to lose, do you? You claim to care about your customers, but you had no trouble charging them for an item that you could not even provide an accurate shipping date for. Is it early this week, late this weel, early next week, (shrug) you don't have a clue. But that didn't stop you from hijacking everyones money to use in the interim, did it?

So, do you have the guts to do it? Do your customers really mean enough to you for you to take steps to stop screwing them? Pretty simple to do really, all it will take is one good programmer to handle the inventory problem and a shred of integrity to quit the pre-billing for items with a nebulous ship date. Once again I challenge you to put up or shut up. In these days of Enron and WorldCom, most businesses are viewed as being dishonest until they prove that they're honest. Right now I and many other customers of yours who payed for items we didn't get view you as being as dishonest, c'mon, prove us wrong.
 

TCWGM

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Jan 27, 2003
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GagHalfrunt-

Thank you for the E-commerce Business 101 lesson. You are the customer, and certainly are entitled to your opinion on how a business should be run.

There is no spin-doctoring here - Either we meet the customers expectations or we do not.

For those customers that we are able to meet their expectations, we appreciate your business.
 

Lanyap

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Dec 23, 2000
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I ordered the 8RDA+ from TCWO weekend before last when it appeared to be in stock. Received an email last week telling me to call them. When I called and spoke to CSR she said they were OOS and should receive several hundred by this past Friday. I haven't received a shipping notice yet so I guess they didn't make it. I guess I'll wait another week or two.
 

Kwazulu

Junior Member
Jan 23, 2003
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board must really rock to have this big of a demand

Hmm. If you are a senior member and realize that there has been this whole thread just for one motherboard, and you realize that there is higher than expected demand for this board because of whatever reason, you should have jumped in and purchased the board when someone posts its availability.

I for one expect and demand a lot from a customer point of view. I make myself knowledgeable about vendor reputations and service, and understand that within the daily business of things, Stuff happens.

My purchase of the MOBO from tcwo.com went flawlessly. They have gained my trust as a first time buyer from them, and I will deal with them again.
 
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