Eric Garner all over again

[HurleyBird]

In the Garner case, Pantaleo had him in the controversial maneuver for a ridiculously short period. This guy on the other hand is using the knee technique on the neck,which they're taught is dangerous, for a long time and doesn't make any attempt to make sure he's okay even when it's clear he was unresponsive. He also puts his hands in his pockets indicating that he's not even afraid of this guy assaulting and the new info of the other two cops make it even more laughable. Lastly, I'm assuming they already knew he had drugs in his system because the store guy reported that he was heavily intoxicated.

Yeah, I agree it's a different situation. I suppose the question is if the prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 1) the extended knee-on-neck is something that could plausibly lead to death even without the other medical conditions and 2) Mr. Floyd would be alive today if it weren't for application of the same. But even if it becomes apparent that the murder charge isn't as robust as we once thought, you'd think that prosecutors could pivot to something like reckless endangerment, involuntary manslaughter, etc.

 

[woolfe9998]

In the Garner case, Pantaleo had him in the controversial maneuver for a ridiculously short period. This guy on the other hand is using the knee technique on the neck,which they're taught is dangerous, for a long time and doesn't make any attempt to make sure he's okay even when it's clear he was unresponsive. He also puts his hands in his pockets indicating that he's not even afraid of this guy assaulting and the new info of the other two cops make it even more laughable. Lastly, I'm assuming they already knew he had drugs in his system because the store guy reported that he was heavily intoxicated.

I think in the Garner case it was about 20 seconds based on re-watching the video, versus 5 minutes here (or was it 8?), but the pressure applied by the choke-hold may have been greater. Or not. It's going to come down to testimony from witnesses and experts. But I see your point on the difference in time.

Not sure if knowing he was intoxicated means they knew this would increase the risk as they didn't have medical knowledge.

One thing here is, Floyd seemed to lose consciousness minutes before they stopped, whereas Garner lost consciousness the moment he stopped, or at most a second before. The argument here is that they should at least have stopped when he lost consciousness.

 

[pcgeek11]

The way I see it the man was handcuffed behind his back and incapable of fighting the police in any meaningful way. They could have just stepped back and allow him to flail around until he was too tired to do anything.

There was no reason to have him on the ground or do anything else to him. He was subdued, put him in the car and take him in.

 

[SmCaudata]

The way I see it the man was handcuffed behind his back and incapable of fighting the police in any meaningful way. They could have just stepped back and allow him to flail around until he was too tired to do anything.

There was no reason to have him on the ground or do anything else to him. He was subdued, put him in the car and take him in.

You would think so, right. According to the criminal complaint the officer kept his knee down about two minutes after another officer failed to find a pulse. At least that's how I read the timeline in the NYT article.

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[JEDIYoda]

They have an idiot on FOX right now claiming there is no problem and Tucvker was blaming these riots on Obama and on Obama`s lax enforcement of the law....
His guest even said this would not have happened had those Police on the street used more force.......OMG.....FOX is going to make this way worse than it is!!

Now Hannity is inciting the Police to act bforcefully! Then the idiot says -- if you live in Minneapolis don`t go there, because it is not safe!!

 

[zinfamous]

Nearly 40% of Mississippians are black.

welcome to...all of the south! where the minority is very large but still a minority, and also suffers under a long, long history of lynching and general disenfranchisement.

I mean, it's not like a 40% minority population at the same time somehow didn't suffer all those things we know about in history, right? Unless you subscribe to a different history.

Anyway, if you know a better way to make a sizeable population feel unwelcome, please let us know!

 

[Maxima1]

I think in the Garner case it was about 20 seconds based on re-watching the video, versus 5 minutes here (or was it 8?), but the pressure applied by the choke-hold may have been greater. Or not. It's going to come down to testimony from witnesses and experts. But I see your point on the difference in time.

Not sure if knowing he was intoxicated means they knew this would increase the risk as they didn't have medical knowledge.

If there was a case most similar to length and multiple factors contributing to death, this one comes to mind. Nothing happened to them I think.

'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground. ...

www.dallasnews.com

 

[JEDIYoda]

If there was a case most similar to length and multiple factors contributing to death, this one comes to mind. Nothing happened to them I think.

'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground. ...

www.dallasnews.com

Who cares??? We know this will be different legally or illegally, this will be different!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Damn~They are having riots just 50 miles away from where I live!! Damn -- San Jose, california is having riots.......
I am so angry!!!!

 

[Maxima1]

Who cares??? We know this will be different legally or illegally, this will be different!!

It's a relevant discussion. Thinking more about the case, I can see why some feel there may be coming disappointment, though I think there are reasons to think this has a better chance of convincing a jury. I'm not sure why you seem upset at the post, though. Is it because I brought up an example where it happened to a white guy?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Man a few months ago I was watching Do The Right Thing and was horrified that the story from 31 years ago feels just like it was from today in 2020. Except somehow real life was even worse than the movie.

Then I watch the scene immediately after...

And all I can think is they did it again, just like with LaQuan McDonald. Murder, just like with Eric Garner. Murder, just like with Philando Castile. Murder, just like with Ahmed Aubrey. Murder, just like with George Floyd. It just makes me mad as fuck watching George Floyd get tortured and murdered by Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, and J Alexander Kueng with Tao Thou just itching to give a beatdown to the people looking out for George and documenting this horrible but completely normal part of American history. And people seriously wonder why Mookie threw the trash can through the window in the movie? Same fucking shit 31 years later, except now it's not just black people living it who can see it thanks to cellphones.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sadly, what's going on out across the country is not new and still in my memory. Saturday night special showed up in the house that never had any weapons in it. Was very disappointed in my dad.

King assassination riots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

EDIT: There is one very significant difference. Large numbers of young white people are participating.

 

[hal2kilo]

Meanwhile over at Fox, it's all about property damage and how these people are hurting themselves. Also, calling out CNN and MSNBC for not labeling these protests as riots.
Keep on concerning Fox.

Why not have Mark Furman on for an interview, seems so appropriate.

 

[hal2kilo]

Crowds of protesters in front of the WH. So Nixonion.
Let's see. Brooklyn, NY, Washington DC, Atlanta, Ga, Minneapolis, MN, Louisville, KY, Dallas, TX, Los Angeles, CA, San Jose, CA. Did I miss anyone. Where's Chicago?
Edit: Denver, CO, Oakland, CA, Sacramento, CA, Bakersfield, CA (really?), Cincinnati, OH. Phoenix, AZ, Des Moines, IA, Seattle, WA (damn), Las Vegas, NV. shit I'm done, everyone go home. I'm going to bed.

 

[Svnla]

I think in the Garner case it was about 20 seconds based on re-watching the video, versus 5 minutes here (or was it 8?), but the pressure applied by the choke-hold may have been greater. Or not. It's going to come down to testimony from witnesses and experts. But I see your point on the difference in time.

Not sure if knowing he was intoxicated means they knew this would increase the risk as they didn't have medical knowledge.

One thing here is, Floyd seemed to lose consciousness minutes before they stopped, whereas Garner lost consciousness the moment he stopped, or at most a second before. The argument here is that they should at least have stopped when he lost consciousness.

From the draft autopsy report, it was 8 minutes 46 seconds. The cop with one of his hands in his pocket while his knee was pressing down for several minutes did not look good for him at all.

In other news, the mayor of Atlanta said all rioters and looters need to go home. Look like she did not want to burn her city down or armed home invading like some posters in here <not you woolfe> advocated. CNN (well know liberal news source) headquarter was attacked.

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh well, this is so sad. People do stupid things when they lose all hope. Trump will not make an effort to heal, he will milk this for all the political mileage he can get out of this. Just wait. Nothing changes.

 

[pauldun170]

This all started over $20 bill

Abumayaleh described the entire incident, which took place in and near the vicinity of the 31-year-old South Minneapolis convenience store, as out of the ordinary, from a counterfeit bill being identified in the first place to Floyd remaining outside the store.

He told CBS he was not there at the time, but staff followed protocol.

When the police arrived, the patron was outside of the establishment, “which normally never takes place. Why he was still there, we’re not sure.

“Most of the time, when patrons give us a counterfeit bill, they don’t even know it’s fake. So when the police are called, there’s no crime being committed. They just want to know where they got it from.

“This was a very circumstantial event that ended in a tragedy, and unfortunately, we’re taking a lot of animosity for it.”

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Most of you have probably handled counterfeit bills without knowing it. I have even known people to get counterfeit bill from ATM's.

 

[hal2kilo]

Damn, please chill Minneapolis. Simultaneously, at the WH, things are about to get real ugly. I've been amazed at SS tolerance. This is not going to end well.

 

[Genx87]

This all started over $20 bill

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Most of you have probably handled counterfeit bills without knowing it. I have even known people to get counterfeit bill from ATM's.

Amazing isnt it? A fake 20 dollar bill cost Mr Floyd his life. And hundreds or possibly thousands their jobs due to their business being burned down.

 

[shortylickens]

No offense but thats an overly simple attitude.

The shit storm was NOT caused by a 20 dollar bill. It was caused by decades of police abuse and very angry communities all across America. The pot has been boiling for a long time and it finally spilled over. Mostly because nobody in charge has enough interest in correcting society's ills. I keep wondering if maybe nationwide protests might actually encourage real change. I have no idea if thats possible or how likely it is to happen.

 

[Genx87]

No offense but thats an overly simple attitude.

The shit storm was NOT caused by a 20 dollar bill. It was caused by decades of police abuse and very angry communities all across America. The pot has been boiling for a long time and it finally spilled over. Mostly because nobody in charge has enough interest in correcting society's ills. I keep wondering if maybe nationwide protests might actually encourage real change. I have no idea if thats possible or how likely it is to happen.

Of course it is more complex than a 20 dollar bill. But the 20 dollar bill is what set in motion the murder of Floyd by a cop that lit the fuse that set off a national protest.

 

[UNCjigga]

Meanwhile over at Fox, it's all about property damage and how these people are hurting themselves. Also, calling out CNN and MSNBC for not labeling these protests as riots.
Keep on concerning Fox.

Why not have Mark Furman on for an interview, seems so appropriate.

I’m surprised they haven’t tried to book Rodney King for an interview yet...lol...”we left a message but haven’t heard back yet!”

Edit: LOL, just realized this actually happened...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1266555394182139905

 

[pauldun170]

Amazing isnt it? A fake 20 dollar bill cost Mr Floyd his life. And hundreds or possibly thousands their jobs due to their business being burned down.

A black man killed after he bought cigarettes and businesses burned because of white people attending the protests

 

[hal2kilo]

If someone set out for a career as an LEO and find that the job is too frustrating and your anger starts to affect how your performing your job then just fucking quit. These assholes got mad at this guy so in effect they murdered him, I hope they face murder 1 charges over this. At least the Mayor and PD chief look to be moving swiftly on this as they need to and should.

It's really that simple. If you go to work, thinking that everyone's out to kill you everyday, find another line of work.

 

[hal2kilo]

Governor of MN, Mayor of Minneapolis, and I think, police chief are pleading for people to stop and go home. 1:45 am Minneapolis time.