Eric Holder stepping down from AG

[the DRIZZLE]

The point being, Holder didn't "ok" any such thing, that's all.

We do not know that to be the case. The AG often provides opinions to the POTUS on the legality of policies. It's not Holder's call to decide if what the NSA does is good policy, but he does advise on whether or not it's legal.

 

[xaeniac]

I like how he fought against the abuse of intelligence agencies and domestic spying. Oh wait, he didn't. Then there's how he undid what his predecessors did with the patriot act and fought for our fourth amendment rights. Oh he didn't, in fact we're worse off. You Democrats sure love your oppression, and now a war so you can keep up with those Republicans. Don't you feel special?

Frankly I have no use for either of you.

So that to me says that the parties are one in the same and both suck. Can we agree on this?

 

[Jhhnn]

I like how he fought against the abuse of intelligence agencies and domestic spying. Oh wait, he didn't. Then there's how he undid what his predecessors did with the patriot act and fought for our fourth amendment rights. Oh he didn't, in fact we're worse off. You Democrats sure love your oppression, and now a war so you can keep up with those Republicans. Don't you feel special?

Frankly I have no use for either of you.

I like how you think you know what went on behind closed doors wrt policy formulation.

When the President makes a decision at that level, the AG can either accept it & implement it or resign. We have no idea what Holder's stance was on any of it.

You seem to forget that Congress, particularly the Repub HOR, is in love with the Patriot Act, the NSA & all the trimmings.

 

[row]

I like how you think you know what went on behind closed doors wrt policy formulation.

When the President makes a decision at that level, the AG can either accept it & implement it or resign. We have no idea what Holder's stance was on any of it.

You seem to forget that Congress, particularly the Repub HOR, is in love with the Patriot Act, the NSA & all the trimmings.

lol...says the mind reader

 

[Victorian Gray]

We do not know that to be the case. The AG often provides opinions to the POTUS on the legality of policies. It's not Holder's call to decide if what the NSA does is good policy, but he does advise on whether or not it's legal.

Again, Holder didn't "ok" anything that the NSA does/did as the original post implied. He can advise all he wants, but he has no actual power over the NSA. That's the only point being made.

 

[Double Trouble]

Can't say that I'm unhappy to see him go, but the prospect of Obama picking his replacement does not give me a lot of comfort. Out of the frying pan into the fire comes to mind.

 

[Svnla]

Ferguson "protesters" feel a loss = http://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/...l-a-loss-as-holder-steps-down?bffbnews#ic8k84

Holder did not send a single fat cat banker to jail, is that justice? = http://www.theguardian.com/money/us.../eric-holder-resign-mortgage-abuses-americans

 

[Fenixgoon]

I remember when people complained about Ashcroft. What happened? We got Gonzales who gladly supported what Ashcroft was too principled to go along with. Deja vu?

after watching the 60 minutes special on all the NSA spying, i was very impressed that ashcroft refused to play along.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol...says the mind reader

It's remarkable how the Faithful can keep their noses in the asscracks of their leadership-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9612f8-f847-11e2-8e84-c56731a202fb_story.html

Not that I agree with him about the need for the NSA to do this stuff, at all.

Boehner never would have brought it to a vote until he was sure he had the votes, bet on that.

And this, wrt clamping down on the NSA-

The Senate version of the bill has even won the support of U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2684...-with-congress-headed-toward-fall-recess.html

and this-

The amended bill, supported by President Barack Obama’s administration

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2158...akened-bill-to-limit-nsa-bulk-collection.html

But, uhh, hate-um anyway, right?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

But you'll love em because you must.

Note that the Senate bill allows the loophole the House bill did.

No, your darling isn't all that. But you do bring up a point that your other war loving love doesn't seem to give a damn about any of it.

 

[HomerJS]

This has been rumored for quite some time. He's a racist bastard that saw everything through that prism. Here's to hoping he ends up on the other end of the justice system before he leaves this earth.

good luck with your asparagus

 

[Pneumothorax]

Ferguson "protesters" feel a loss = http://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/...l-a-loss-as-holder-steps-down?bffbnews#ic8k84

Holder did not send a single fat cat banker to jail, is that justice? = http://www.theguardian.com/money/us.../eric-holder-resign-mortgage-abuses-americans

Oh, but he put Madoff in jail. The one who ripped off a few millionaires. Meanwhile pricks like Mozillo, Blankfein, and other assholes who ripped off millions upon millions of middle class Americans walked away scott free. I don't give a flying #ck that the banks had to 'pay' billions in fines, when none of execs did jail time. To a rich banker prick, a billion dollar fine here and there is nothing, while his/her time on this planet is priceless as they're going to burn in hell once they leave this life.

At least Reagan's DOJ put a number of S&L banksters in jail...

 

[pcgeek11]

Happy dance!!!

 

[Exterous]

personally, I hate him because he used the Justice Department to advocate his view that it's OK to kill an American citizen anywhere in the world without a trial, the Fast & Furious clusterfuck, failing to go after any Wall St execs after the housing market collapse, and trying to basically criminalize reporting (in addition to his total defense of NSA spying on Americans)

Whoa whoa whoa - they got their man. The DOJ spent years combing through the records and spent quite a bit of tax payer money to prosecute the most important guy who caused the whole thing: Kareem Serageldin /s

What was Holder's lesson here? Hey - if you lie and cheat your way to billions of profit we will totally jail this underling, let you keep your salary and massive bonuses and even let your company keep most of its ill-gotten gains.

Great lesson Holder. Don't let the door hit you on your way out

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/magazine/only-one-top-banker-jail-financial-crisis.html

 

[kage69]

good luck with your asparagus

How dare you disparage his asparagus! Or his aspergrass!


The GOTP and their supporters have a stellar history of being objective and correct, that's just uncalled for dude...

 

[Fern]

the NSA doesn't answer to the DOJ.

The point being, Holder didn't "ok" any such thing, that's all.

As my post states, according to Snowden a legal opinion was issued in 2011 (IIRC) stating that expanded 'spying' on US citizens was legal/constitutional. Ordinarily this would come from one of two places: the AG office or the WH counsel's office.

If it is the former Holder most certainly did "OK" it.

Look up the Marc Rich pardon; the man has no ethics on what he will OK.

Fern

 

[Fern]

I like how you think you know what went on behind closed doors wrt policy formulation.

When the President makes a decision at that level, the AG can either accept it & implement it or resign. We have no idea what Holder's stance was on any of it.

You seem to forget that Congress, particularly the Repub HOR, is in love with the Patriot Act, the NSA & all the trimmings.

Patently untrue. Some from both parties have expressed outrage, just as some from both parties support the admin and it's spying. (Some like McCain are for anything that can be said to fight terrorists, others are for anything that supports Obama.)

But the most untrue part is that Congress, in a bipartisan manner, amended the P.A. several times to prevent exactly what is now occurring.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Patently untrue. Some from both parties have expressed outrage, just as some from both parties support the admin and it's spying. (Some like McCain are for anything that can be said to fight terrorists, others are for anything that supports Obama.)

But the most untrue part is that Congress, in a bipartisan manner, amended the P.A. several times to prevent exactly what is now occurring.

Fern

Link up the legislation intended to stop what's happening, now that you've claimed it actually exists.

 

[Zorkorist]

Isn't this just normal? As a President approaches the end of his term (lame duck), long standing allies bow out, politely, a curtain call, as it seems. Obama will have time to appoint a successor, and that successor will last at least a couple years into the next President's term. That successor will be the first person questioned about xyz, and can/will deny anything/everything hardly incriminating.

It's just politics.

-John

 

[lopri]

Not sure what gets people worked up about Holder.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Link up the legislation intended to stop what's happening, now that you've claimed it actually exists.

Legislation keeps being changed to keep domestic spying in play, and yes Holder supports that. Fern does bring up an interesting point in that there are two camps not defined by party. Obama and Einstein and McCain with members of both parties backing them and the same situation with their opposition. It must drive the partisan hacks mad as this is utterly incomprehensible that an issue rather than just affiliation matters.

 

[CitizenKain]

Not sure what gets people worked up about Holder.

He's black.

 

[Zorkorist]

That's unfair, and baloney, as far as I am concerned.

There are plenty of arguments against him above, that don't involve skin color.

You might look at yourself, for bringing up skin color.

-John

 

[Jhhnn]

Legislation keeps being changed to keep domestic spying in play, and yes Holder supports that. Fern does bring up an interesting point in that there are two camps not defined by party. Obama and Einstein and McCain with members of both parties backing them and the same situation with their opposition. It must drive the partisan hacks mad as this is utterly incomprehensible that an issue rather than just affiliation matters.

So Fern's assertion that the Patriot act has been repeatedly modified to prevent what's happening now won't pass the sniff test, correct?

If it's become a bipartisan effort- maybe it has- that's an extremely recent development, no?

 

[squarecut1]

It is fair to say that an overwhelming majority of people wouldnt know who is Eric Holder.