Eric Holder stepping down from AG

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cliftonite

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As my post states, according to Snowden a legal opinion was issued in 2011 (IIRC) stating that expanded 'spying' on US citizens was legal/constitutional. Ordinarily this would come from one of two places: the AG office or the WH counsel's office.

If it is the former Holder most certainly did "OK" it.

Look up the Marc Rich pardon; the man has no ethics on what he will OK.

Fern

The spying started prior to 2011. Prism started monitoring web traffic in 2007 and call records in 2005:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...candal_what_patriot_act_section_215_does.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_v._NSA
 

Knowing

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Executive Order 12333 governs intelligence collection after the Church Committees.
CTRL+F "Attorney General" to find out what impact the AG has over NSA and FBI shenanigans.

Also, interesting that he's stepping down now. Four years and a presidential election after the "totally not a scandal, Bush did something just like it but not" began. The timing is completely political. I'd be offended if I had believed the story they were trying to sell.
 

lopri

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Well there ya go then. Put a black man person in every government position and then nobody will be allowed to complain about anyone.

It is interesting that you speak as if having black persons on every government position is something unthinkable. After all, there have been many places in this country you won't see non-whites (males) and for many that is "normal."
 

Jhhnn

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It is interesting that you speak as if having black persons on every government position is something unthinkable. After all, there have been many places in this country you won't see non-whites (males) and for many that is "normal."

Yep. Having black people in positions of authority just feels wrong to many conservatives, and they always go with their feelings. They've been trained through decades of custom, tradition & relentless propaganda, after all.

They often fail at introspection, at looking into their own hearts, at examining their most cherished beliefs. When it comes to race, they have a very difficult time putting themselves in the other guy's shoes, understanding the experience of being black in white America. They're locked in to their own perspective, and that's that. It's a lot easier that way.
 

IGBT

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no doubt who ever Al Sharpton picks..it will be someone to carry on the the liberal agenda grievance mongering and historical scab picking but most of all act as the obama's primary legal counsel and clear the path for obama's militant race hustlers.
 

kage69

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no doubt who ever Al Sharpton picks..it will be someone to carry on the the liberal agenda grievance mongering and historical scab picking but most of all act as the obama's primary legal counsel and clear the path for obama's militant race hustlers.

Would you be mad if the replacement starts conducting DOJ purges based along personal politics?
 

row

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...Also, interesting that he's stepping down now. Four years and a presidential election after the "totally not a scandal, Bush did something just like it but not" began. The timing is completely political. I'd be offended if I had believed the story they were trying to sell.

with the slim chance that republicans will take over the senate this november, berrie and hairy have a very small window of opportunity to shove thru any nomination as a replacement they want (now til jan 1st 2015). should the democrats lose the nuclear option simple majority vote it would obviously put a crimp in their ability to ply America with another activist ag. hence the timing of holder's departure.
 

Jhhnn

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no doubt who ever Al Sharpton picks..it will be someone to carry on the the liberal agenda grievance mongering and historical scab picking but most of all act as the obama's primary legal counsel and clear the path for obama's militant race hustlers.

The delusions underlying that are clearly impenetrable, all consuming.

Grievance mongering?

That seems to be the forte of America's right wing-

Persecution of Christians, particularly White Christians
Birtherism
Fast & furious
Ben-fucking-ghazi
IRS
Latte-gate

I could go on, but you're so deep in denial as to be unreachable. I mention it so that others won't have to.
 

Jhhnn

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with the slim chance that republicans will take over the senate this november, berrie and hairy have a very small window of opportunity to shove thru any nomination as a replacement they want (now til jan 1st 2015). should the democrats lose the nuclear option simple majority vote it would obviously put a crimp in their ability to ply America with another activist ag. hence the timing of holder's departure.

What part of Holder's so called "activist" agenda do you take exception to?

Spell it out.
 

row

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What part of Holder's so called "activist" agenda do you take exception to?

Spell it out.

"Any attorney general who is not an activist is not doing his or her job. The responsibility of the attorney general is to change things [and] bring us closer to the ideals expressed in our founding documents."

generally this. also doubt holder's interpretation of the ideals the founding fathers based the constitution on are one and the same
 

Hayabusa Rider

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So Fern's assertion that the Patriot act has been repeatedly modified to prevent what's happening now won't pass the sniff test, correct?

If it's become a bipartisan effort- maybe it has- that's an extremely recent development, no?

In this context I believe Fern is incorrect. As far as bipartisan support I'd say it's been building for some time and accelerated since Snowden and the pro spying contigents obfuscation and denial. Certainly many of the names involved are the same, but overt opposition has increased.
 

Jhhnn

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"Any attorney general who is not an activist is not doing his or her job. The responsibility of the attorney general is to change things [and] bring us closer to the ideals expressed in our founding documents."

generally this. also doubt holder's interpretation of the ideals the founding fathers based the constitution on are one and the same

A request for specifics is met with even more vague pablum.

Congratulations. You're a True Believer in every way.
 

himkhan

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He's a racist bastard that saw everything through that prism.

Look, no matter how many times people suggest it, if people honestly feel Holder is a racist then it's a slam dunk that they have either become what they hate or hate what they have become. Fighting for your people who still in the year 2014 NEED a champion, and hating whites because they are white are two completely different things. I've read enough posts here by the ultra right "Where is Al and Jessie" crew to know you guys aren't fooling anyone. Protest less and you might blend in better. Just look at the first page and who is calling him a racist. You, Row, pcgeek, and Poker Guy. Great company to be in. Maybe Spidey, Spatially Aware, and Geosurface can add their 2 cents so the circle can become complete.

Can't say he's been a good AG, since none of the people responsible for the financial crisis have gone to jail.

Totally agree. Business as usual in DC. You pay to play and they get paid very well to turn blind eyes. He was a POS AG and it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
 
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Jhhnn

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Look, no matter how many times people suggest it, if people honestly feel Holder is a racist then it's a slam dunk that they have either become what they hate or hate what they have become. Fighting for your people who still in the year 2014 NEED a champion, and hating whites because they are white are two completely different things. I've read enough posts here by the ultra right "Where is Al and Jessie" crew to know you guys aren't fooling anyone. Protest less and you might blend in better. Just look at the first page and who is calling him a racist. You, Row, pcgeek, and Poker Guy. Great company to be in. Maybe Spidey, Spatially Aware, and Geosurface can add their 2 cents so the circle can become complete.

Thank you for that.

Totally agree. Business as usual in DC. You pay to play and they get paid very well to turn blind eyes. He was a POS AG and it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Or that lack was just the result of Wall St having everybody by the balls in the wake of the collapse of the Ownership Society. Few people appreciate just how close we came to 1930 all over again. It wasn't like the S&L situation- back then, the whole scam could be torn down because the rest of the financial sector was sound. Right or wrong, I think the determination was made that such would have been too risky in 2009-2010. Structural changes rendered the whole thing rotten.

It's also important to recognize that the DoJ depends on regulators like the SEC to bring them cases, which simply didn't happen.

I, too, wish it had turned out differently, but it's all water under the bridge.

Holder has been right in pointing out the racist results of the current system, particularly wrt drug crimes, in denouncing mandatory minimum sentencing & in allowing marijuana legalization to proceed in CO & WA. That last part is a watershed event which will change this country for the better. The lies of prohibition can't stand against the honest data of legalization.
 

boomerang

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Look, no matter how many times people suggest it, if people honestly feel Holder is a racist then it's a slam dunk that they have either become what they hate or hate what they have become. Fighting for your people who still in the year 2014 NEED a champion, and hating whites because they are white are two completely different things. I've read enough posts here by the ultra right "Where is Al and Jessie" crew to know you guys aren't fooling anyone. Protest less and you might blend in better. Just look at the first page and who is calling him a racist. You, Row, pcgeek, and Poker Guy. Great company to be in. Maybe Spidey, Spatially Aware, and Geosurface can add their 2 cents so the circle can become complete.
Oh my, a lecture from a progressive. Whatever shall I do? Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You're little more than a paper tiger of the progressive species. Go back to shining your jackboots while dreaming about how it could have been if Obama hadn't gotten all capitalistic and developed such an affection for golf.
 

himkhan

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Oh my, a lecture from a progressive. Whatever shall I do? Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You're little more than a paper tiger of the progressive species. Go back to shining your jackboots while dreaming about how it could have been if Obama hadn't gotten all capitalistic and developed such an affection for golf.

It must mean something or you wouldn't have replied. When did you get the impression I am "progressive"? My goodness, nothing could be further from the truth. I think that when you are a regressive, you think that everyone who disagrees with you hugs trees and humps bunnies. Not so, sir. No, just pointing out what I see, that you posts usually revolve around being a very angry and/or sad person. I'm not sure what made you this way, but if you survived the Bush years, you will surly survive the Obama years.

Have a fine and blessed weekend. ()
 

Jhhnn

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Oh my, a lecture from a progressive. Whatever shall I do? Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. You're little more than a paper tiger of the progressive species. Go back to shining your jackboots while dreaming about how it could have been if Obama hadn't gotten all capitalistic and developed such an affection for golf.

It must mean something for you to hide your sentiments, such as they are, and to obfuscate with the remark about jackboots. It's really pretty obvious who's wearing them & who isn't-

http://www.thewhirlingwind.com/2012...r-clergy/incarceration-rates-by-race-us-2009/
 

himkhan

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Heck, I had to google jackboots to see what they were before I could gauge whether or not I was being insulted, called a nazi, or a bully that forces compliance. Is that the modern day equivalent to your Mom wears army boots? She did by the way
 
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