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MtnMan

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Ivanka is going to be far too busy trying to keep her ass out of prison, or trying to get out of prison.
 
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I voted for Bernie in the primary but I don't think he would have won the general. He has a passionate base but it's not enough, and there are too many moderate Dems that would probably not be driven to vote for him in the general, and definitely the independents would have stayed home. He would have lost the election and we'd have Trump.

Obama was our best shot in a while at a non-establishment candidate with progressive values and he did some good shit in his first two years but he had to deal with too many moderates in Congress for healthcare, and then a Republican congress stonewalled him the rest of the way.

This country is just not ready for real transformative change in a progressive sense.


According to every bit of polls - that is simply incorrect. The overall majority of Americans support a universal healthcare. That isn't a 51% party thing, it was 70-80% last I checked.

All of the moderates that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 - were the ones voting for Trump in 2016. This wouldn't have happened if Bernie was the candidate.

He would have absolutely cleared house and dominated - just like progressive candidates are doing in local elections over and over across the country.




Everything you are relaying back in the quoted post is a lie told to you by your own party in order to continue the status quo.
 

MrSquished

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According to every bit of polls - that is simply incorrect. The overall majority of Americans support a universal healthcare. That isn't a 51% party thing, it was 70-80% last I checked.

All of the moderates that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 - were the ones voting for Trump in 2016. This wouldn't have happened if Bernie was the candidate.

He would have absolutely cleared house and dominated - just like progressive candidates are doing in local elections over and over across the country.




Everything you are relaying back in the quoted post is a lie told to you by your own party in order to continue the status quo.
Single issue polls does not equal general election votes. That's delusional. And 51% of Americans do NOT support single payer, which is what Bernie and Warren were proposing. That number is less than 40%. Americans may want universal healthcare but they don't support Bernie's way to get there. So why would they overwhelmingly elect him as president?


You just don't know what you are talking about
 
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zzyzxroad

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According to every bit of polls - that is simply incorrect. The overall majority of Americans support a universal healthcare. That isn't a 51% party thing, it was 70-80% last I checked.

All of the moderates that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 - were the ones voting for Trump in 2016. This wouldn't have happened if Bernie was the candidate.

He would have absolutely cleared house and dominated - just like progressive candidates are doing in local elections over and over across the country.




Everything you are relaying back in the quoted post is a lie told to you by your own party in order to continue the status quo.
You seem to have a poor memory. Universal healthcare seemed popular before the ACA compromise.... Spoiler alert, idiotic republicans were brainwashed against it. Do you really not remember that? You seem to be out of touch with reality.
 

zzyzxroad

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Single issue polls does not equal general election votes. That's delusional. And 51% of Americans do NOT support single payer, which is what Bernie and Warren were proposing. That number is less than 40%. Americans may want universal healthcare but they don't support Bernie's way to get there. So why would they overwhelmingly elect him as president?


You just don't know what you are talking about
The funny thing is he doesn't ever throw his hat in with progressive or actual ever give a firm stance on anything. He simply attacks ideas and says the status quo sucks without offering up an alternative. He is like a 17 year old 80s punk rocker.
 
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MrSquished

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The funny thing is he doesn't ever throw his hat in with progressive or actual ever give a firm stance on anything. He simply attacks ideas and says the status quo sucks without offering up an alternative. He is like a 17 year old 80s punk rocker.
He can't even read polls about healthcare coverage
 
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Indus

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According to every bit of polls - that is simply incorrect. The overall majority of Americans support a universal healthcare. That isn't a 51% party thing, it was 70-80% last I checked.

All of the moderates that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 - were the ones voting for Trump in 2016. This wouldn't have happened if Bernie was the candidate.

He would have absolutely cleared house and dominated - just like progressive candidates are doing in local elections over and over across the country.




Everything you are relaying back in the quoted post is a lie told to you by your own party in order to continue the status quo.

100% of Americans support wider Airline seats yet why do they have to sit while being squished by their neighbors?

It's time to realize Capitalism isn't the solution.. Capitalism is the problem.
 
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Torn Mind

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100% of Americans support wider Airline seats yet why do they have to sit while being squished by their neighbors?

It's time to realize Capitalism isn't the solution.. Capitalism is the problem.
There is no dichotomy between the capitalism and "taming mechanism".

China has already proved that the apparent contradiction is not one that matters in practice.

Capitalism provides the funding to then empower the government to then fund the sexy "savior" projects and give the impression it is the might of Jesus/God embodied...and in some cases execute the means of totalitarian oppression unrestrained.

The steady state is that capitalism exists, but the hands with the dough are also loyal to the government. And vice versa. An incestuous circle jerk of the elites empowering the elites.
 
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IronWing

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Would a President Ivanka pardon convict ex-President Donald or we she let his incestuous ass rot in prison?
 

Starbuck1975

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100% of Americans support wider Airline seats yet why do they have to sit while being squished by their neighbors?

It's time to realize Capitalism isn't the solution.. Capitalism is the problem.
Greed is the problem. Capitalism and government can work harmoniously towards achieving a greater societal good, they’ve accomplished this in many parts of Europe.
 

fskimospy

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According to every bit of polls - that is simply incorrect. The overall majority of Americans support a universal healthcare. That isn't a 51% party thing, it was 70-80% last I checked.

All of the moderates that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 - were the ones voting for Trump in 2016. This wouldn't have happened if Bernie was the candidate.

He would have absolutely cleared house and dominated - just like progressive candidates are doing in local elections over and over across the country.

Everything you are relaying back in the quoted post is a lie told to you by your own party in order to continue the status quo.
While RealClearPolitics isn't a great site for polls at the most recent comparable time RCP had Sanders as about +4 vs. Trump and Biden at around +6. If Biden had won by two fewer points would he have won the election? Maybe, but very possibly not.

If you have some plausible theory, preferably backed with data, as to why the public would suddenly flock to Sanders en masse when they hadn't at any time in the preceding four years I'm open to hearing it. If it's just some 'this would have happened because I say so' you can just say that too though.
 
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amdhunter

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Ivanka is going to be far too busy trying to keep her ass out of prison, or trying to get out of prison.
That's so hot thinking of her in prison. Even hotter if they stick Clinton and Pelosi in there as well. DeBlasio could be the warden.
 
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fskimospy

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That's so hot thinking of her in prison. Even hotter if they stick Clinton and Pelosi in there as well. DeBlasio could be the warden.
There's a decent case for sending De Blasio to prison but Clinton and Pelosi? Absolutely not.

It's always interesting that conservatives, after investigating Clinton for crimes for years and finding nothing, came away MORE convinced she was a criminal, not less. Just totally irrational.
 

amdhunter

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There's a decent case for sending De Blasio to prison but Clinton and Pelosi? Absolutely not.

It's always interesting that conservatives, after investigating Clinton for crimes for years and finding nothing, came away MORE convinced she was a criminal, not less. Just totally irrational.
I'm a Bernie leftie tho. Anyone to the right of him is trash.
 

IronWing

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I also find it interesting that while Bernie himself has no problem with pragmatically compromising to advance his agenda his supporters never learned that from him.
Maybe true, but he hasn't actually advanced his agenda. He's the Ron Paul of the left.
 

fskimospy

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Maybe true, but he hasn't actually advanced his agenda. He's the Ron Paul of the left.
No, he's different than Ron Paul, maybe because as 1 of 100 instead of 1 of 435 he has to be. For example Sanders had no problem with voting for the ACA even though he thought it wasn't a great plan. I agree that Sanders hasn't been successful in getting the rest of the Democrats to adopt his agenda but he isn't an absolutist.

As I've said before I like Sanders just fine - not my preferred candidate by any means but I would have voted for him against Trump in a heartbeat and felt great about it.
 

MtnMan

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That's so hot thinking of her in prison. Even hotter if they stick Clinton and Pelosi in there as well. DeBlasio could be the warden.
So you and her daddy think she is hot... she really isn't that hot or special.
 

Maxima1

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While RealClearPolitics isn't a great site for polls at the most recent comparable time RCP had Sanders as about +4 vs. Trump and Biden at around +6. If Biden had won by two fewer points would he have won the election? Maybe, but very possibly not.

Why use March-April data? The most accurate month is February until conventions. Moreover, that's when Bernie was losing. People don't like to back a loser so their support goes down against those still in the race, which I think would generally also affect national comparisons against the Republican candidate as well. Looking at Rubio and Cruz, that looks like it was happening with them. Anyway, if we use February, Biden is still slightly above in average from what I can tell, so maybe Bernie could still lose since this election the EC was super close again.

If you have some plausible theory, preferably backed with data, as to why the public would suddenly flock to Sanders en masse when they hadn't at any time in the preceding four years I'm open to hearing it. If it's just some 'this would have happened because I say so' you can just say that too though.

You never heard of the party decides?


The idea, put forth in a 2008 book of that name by political scientists Marty Cohen, David Karol, Hans Noel, and John Zaller, is that modern presidential primaries aren't driven by the whims of voters. Instead, the most important players are party insiders, who use a variety of tools to try and deliver the nomination to the candidate they prefer — and usually get their way. Indeed, since Trump's rise shocked the political world, many commentators have repeated that phrase "the party decides" like a mantra, assuring themselves that it points to his inevitable downfall.

I also find it interesting that while Bernie himself has no problem with pragmatically compromising to advance his agenda his supporters never learned that from him.

Reparations and gun bans seem like a good way to not get a piece of the white vote. But I know why they do that. It distracts from economic policy.

 

ondma

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He's NOT going to prison. The governor of Florida has to okay any and all extraditions and he's a Trump stooge.

Now if Trump is stupid enough to travel for rallies into New York.. then hmm.
Maybe they could try him in absentia and at least convict him so he cant run again.
 

esquared

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Maybe they could try him in absentia and at least convict him so he cant run again.
desantis can try. IANAL but I think this trumps the governor.

1987
The Supreme Court, overruling its existing precedent, reversed, ruling unanimously that the Federal Courts did indeed have the power to enforce a writ of mandamus and that Kentucky v. Dennison was outdated.

Letitia James is smart I am pretty sure she has figured out how to get the COVID-19 accomplice serial killer to
NY to face charges.
 

ondma

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desantis can try. IANAL but I think this trumps the governor.

1987
The Supreme Court, overruling its existing precedent, reversed, ruling unanimously that the Federal Courts did indeed have the power to enforce a writ of mandamus and that Kentucky v. Dennison was outdated.

Letitia James is smart I am pretty sure she has figured out how to get the COVID-19 accomplice serial killer to
NY to face charges.
No, I meant New York courts could try him in absentia, like some third world dictator who wrecks his country and then flees.
 

Viper1j

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Vlad is concerned..



Putin Warns That U.S. Will Be Controlled by Americans

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