Erin Andrews 911 call

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zinfamous

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Amen brother.

Corrupt individuals should be held accountable, not the corp. for malfeasance. If this was a 2 * B&B, this $$$ lawsuit wouldn't have been worth anyone's time.

It's like that other story where the fucking Principal blamed the teacher for not locking her phone when that fucking kid went Mission Impossible into her phone to find nude pics of her. What bullshit is this?! Go after the kid, not the teacher! Whether you lock your phone or not or what apps you use is up to you. It's your fucking phone!

Accountability is fucked up way too often.

But corporations are people, friend.
 

zinfamous

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Except that is not what happened. He found an unattended house phone in the restaurant that guests are not supposed to use. I believe it was the one at the reservation desk while the hostess was seating someone. It is quite common for these phones to be used to contact guests staying at the hotel. He then called the Operator and asked to be connected to her room. The phone then displays the room number which is a common setup so the restaurant knows which room is calling them. He hangs up. He heads up to that floor. He sees the room nearby is being cleared out - goes down to the front desk and asks for that room.

He did originally ask to be in a room near hers but the hotel did not do that nor did they ever explicitly tell him what room she was in

http://pagesix.com/2016/02/29/erin-andrews-stalker-revealed-his-creepy-peephole-techniques/

Personally it doesn't seem like Marriott is 49% at fault for this since they didn't give him the room near hers because he asked to be near her nor did they ever tell him what room she was in. (Its not uncommon for travelers to request certain rooms or certain floors for a variety of reasons)

OK, thanks for that. The bolded changes everything in my mind. I assume that, as reported earlier, is what happened.

Yay, media!
 

Homerboy

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OK, thanks for that. The bolded changes everything in my mind. I assume that, as reported earlier, is what happened.

Yay, media!

Yeah that's a pretty big difference I'd say.
Doing some digging I found this interesting too:


--The Nashville Marriott at Vanderbilt University is a franchised hotel, meaning that Marriott neither owns it nor operates it. It is operated independently under a license from Marriott to use its trademarks, among other things.

--Ms. Andrews later sued West End Hotel Partners, LLC (the owner/franchisee of the hotel); Windsor Capital Group, Inc. (the operator of the hotel); Michael David Barrett and Marriott International.

--The Court in Tennessee found that Marriott International had no liability and dismissed Marriott from the case.

So "Marriott" wasn't found guilty, and isn't paying this out.
And if the events truly unfolded as Exterous' link provides, then I'm scratching my head as to why she was awarded... Something seems to be missing?
 
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Exterous

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OK, thanks for that. The bolded changes everything in my mind. I assume that, as reported earlier, is what happened.

Yay, media!

I think its just terrible wording with some laziness thrown in. Technically he did ask to be put next to Erin Andrews but only because the room he asked to be put in happened to be next to Erin Andrews.

So "Marriott" wasn't found guilty, and isn't paying this out.

Marriott actually owns very few hotels - I think they have the lowest number of non-franchise hotels of the major hotel chains

And if the events truly unfolded as Exterous' link provides, then I'm scratching my head as to why she was awarded... Something seems to be missing?

Its supposedly in the actual court docs although I haven't looked. There are a plethora of other websites like SI, ABC, RT, Dailymail that report the exact same chain of events. For example:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/erin-andrews-stalker-details-court-secretly-videotaped/story?id=37290228

From everything I have read I can't really fault the hotel. Nothing they did was out of the ordinary. The phones displaying the room number is typical as is using that phone to connect to guests. I have to think its pretty common for hotel\restaurant workers to ask to be connected to a specific guest for some reason or another (laundry services, room service, reservations, concierge etc). Accommodating specific room requests by room number or floor is very common and generally considered good business practices by travelers. (And not getting a requested room of the same category or allowed upgrade usually results in nasty emails and demands for compensation if its found to have been available)

But that can't compete with emotions and people thinking the hotel should have Done SomethingTM
 
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Homerboy

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I think its just terrible wording with some laziness thrown in. Technically he did ask to be put next to Erin Andrews but only because the room he asked to be put in happened to be next to Erin Andrews.



Marriott actually owns very few hotels - I think they have the lowest number of non-franchise hotels of the major hotel chains



Its supposedly in the actual court docs although I haven't looked. There are a plethora of other websites like SI, ABC, RT, Dailymail that report the exact same chain of events. For example:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/erin-andrews-stalker-details-court-secretly-videotaped/story?id=37290228

From everything I have read I can't really fault the hotel. Nothing they did was out of the ordinary. The phones displaying the room number is typical as is using that phone to connect to guests. I have to think its pretty common for hotel\restaurant workers to ask to be connected to a specific guest for some reason or another (laundry services, room service, reservations, concierge etc). Accommodating specific room requests by room number or floor is very common and generally considered good business practices by travelers. (And not getting a requested room of the same category or allowed upgrade usually results in nasty emails and demands for compensation if its found to have been available)

But that can't compete with emotions and people thinking the hotel should have Done SomethingTM

Yeah this is more interesting to me now... I will have to dig/read up on what the reasoning was etc. Certainly the general populace is under the belief the hotel knowingly gave the dude the room next to hers because he asked. As it seems that isn't the case, then I'm totally confused as to what the hotel could have done to prevent this. The dude outsmarted the system.

And my point about Marriott not being the one sued/paying out is simply to point out that, once again, that is what the public is being lead to believe.
 

Fingolfin269

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So "Marriott" wasn't found guilty, and isn't paying this out.
And if the events truly unfolded as Exterous' link provides, then I'm scratching my head as to why she was awarded... Something seems to be missing?

I doubt it. I'm sure the jurors just wanted to stick it to the big rich evil corp for a person who was obviously damaged by this event (and I do believe she suffered). They probably all know who she is too from being on TV. And she was likely on TV in front of them because this happened in the first place.

Anyway, I guess the only way for hotels to protect themselves from now on is to just assume that anyone who requests a specific room is probably some type of creep and should be given something exactly opposite of the request. Thanks jurors!
 

ALIVE

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Companies are responsible for the actions of their agents.

school is a company also
but you refuse to take it accountable
so
in some cases you want to be
and in some not
clear WHAT YOU WANT
accountability or not

if you want to be accountable
then the school should be viable for lawsuit

in hotel you person go to relax and because of an immoral person you have bad time
in school a kid goes to get educated and because of an immoral person it get raped

in 1 case you want the hotel to buy because it is the hotel fault to hire the person
in case 2 the school not because it is not the fault of the school which they hire???
or the teacher went and said you know i am going to rape kids and the school said okey do it???

clear what you want in society
 

Ns1

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^^

i've already posted a link of a school district getting sued for the actions of the teacher.
 

ALIVE

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if he's dealing drugs out of your business then yes your business should be liable to a degree.

and you're a moron for hiring a drug dealer, let alone one that deals drugs from your business.

sure because when you hire someone will tell you
you know your salary sucks so i will seel drugs also to make more
get real
 

ALIVE

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interesting; thanks for the correction. Guess they're going to need some additional policies & procedures to close those loopholes up.

so like you can not check in a hotel and ask for a specific room number????
i have a better rule
if you do not want anything to happen to you
you will be forced to rent also the rooms next to yours for safety reasons
only then the hotel will be in the fault

if she rented the other 2 rooms next to hers this could never happened
HER FAULT
 

Ns1

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so like you can not check in a hotel and ask for a specific room number????
i have a better rule
if you do not want anything to happen to you
you will be forced to rent also the rooms next to yours for safety reasons
only then the hotel will be in the fault

if she rented the other 2 rooms next to hers this could never happened
HER FAULT

are you foaming at the mouth now, because you're not even making sense anymore.

The loophole exploited by ThePerv can easily be fixed with 2-3 process changes. With a 27m judgement against them, I would assume that they would start implementing those changes.
 
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ALIVE

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are you foaming at the mouth now, because you're not even making sense anymore.

The loophole exploited by ThePerv can easily be fixed with 2-3 process changes. With a 27m judgement against them, I would assume that they would start implementing those changes.

it does not matter the protocols it is a fucking hotel
what next
you will strip search to enter the hotel???
have people with dogs and guns patrol and ready to shoot !?!??!?

if the person finds out the room
and ask for a room next to it
what can you do??

not allowed people asking for a specific room anymore???

as all the stupid regulation the put in airports after 9/11
did they stop the terrorist nope
they just made our life miserable
more miserable than any terrorist attack

i spend 2 hours in the custom searched my luggage
because my airline misplaced my things and i got them 2 days later

so yes lets put a few more regulations
that will make everything more miserable for all

we need reasonable regulations YES
but too much is bad

your country is in mess
the only one that win is the lawyers since the fees are so expensive they will take the best part of the settlement

the court make a ruling for some lawyers to get richer
its not about justice any longer
is simple some greedy lawyers that get more and more money

your justice system is now an injustice system and turned into a printing money machine for few
 

Ns1

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No need for strip searches, I got a simple 30 second fix that would close out the loophole used here:

"I'll be happy to connect you to Ms. Andrews, can I have your authorization/employee #"?

Sure beats 8 digit judgements.
 
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