ETA on nvidia 300 series?

Lonyo

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Wow, that would be terrible news for NV.
No new parts below the high end? Relying on existing products which will be horribly expensive to produce (assuming 40nm has been sorted)?
AMD should be able to destroy them in all segments apart from the high end if that's true, on features, power (use), and price. It would also mean OEM's are might be pretty disappointed with the NV offerings.
 

Painman

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Honestly I can't wait to dump my 5870 for something that functions.

Sux to be you, but I can't really see why this is anything but your own problem... I beat the sh!t out of my 5850 and it loves every second of it...
 

lifeblood

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Honestly I can't wait to dump my 5870 for something that functions.

I love these kinds of posts. Because you got one bad 5870 the whole series must suck, and now your ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. It could be just that one individual card. It could be the manufacturer messed up and built a lame series of cards, and an equivalent card from a different manufacturer would work. It could be drivers, another piece of hardware in your PC, or any number of other things causing problems.

So, if you buy a fermi and it gives you the same troubles, are you going to throw it out and buy a Intel video card? I got an i740 I could sell you (but it won't be cheap).
 

EBMiller

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Sux to be you, but I can't really see why this is anything but your own problem... I beat the sh!t out of my 5850 and it loves every second of it...

Same with the 5870 in my gaming rig...MW2, LFD2, RE5, doesnt matter...it hammers through everything I throw at it and hasnt failed once. Fantastic card really...

As far as the OP question...I believe they are saying sometime early 2H 2010 is likely...
 

v8envy

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According to the specs it's a DX 10.1 part. Must be another rebadge and not an actual Fermi or derivative.

That was a joke. We already know the 310 is indeed a rebadged 210, no changes. The 315 is a rebadged 220, no changes. You won't be seeing Fermi at the low end for a long, long time.

This is looking like ATI vs Intel CPU wars all over again (with NV playing ATI's part). ATI's got new generation parts, and they perform well in all metrics. NV's got hardware some of which is about to celebrate its second and third birthdays. 9600GT level hardware (the 240) all through 2010 is not a good thing.
 

Lonyo

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That was a joke. We already know the 310 is indeed a rebadged 210, no changes. The 315 is a rebadged 220, no changes. You won't be seeing Fermi at the low end for a long, long time.

This is looking like ATI vs Intel CPU wars all over again (with NV playing ATI's part). ATI's got new generation parts, and they perform well in all metrics. NV's got hardware some of which is about to celebrate its second and third birthdays. 9600GT level hardware (the 240) all through 2010 is not a good thing.

GT340 - hopefully a rebadge of the 8800's.
 

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Soon.


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SlowSpyder

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Why is that referring to them as the 2xx series? Is this a reliable source?

It looks to me that they're just saying along with the GTX2xx cards Fermi parts will occupy the high end.

Nvidia has been saying Q1 for a little while now. Q1 for Nvidia starts in late January. My guess is March launch would be accurate. I wouldn't be shocked if good availability doesn't come until after March, though... but that last part is just my guess.
 

Zillatech

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I guess this is one of those lag times in Graphics where 40nm isn't quite ready for prime time. Its obvious that both ATI and Nvidia are struggling with the 40nm process so I guess we will all have to wait until March 2010. There aren't too many PC Games taxing my systems right now anyway so Spring isn't too much of a problem for me. I've just gotten into Oblivion so that should last me the next few months easy
 

HeXploiT

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I love these kinds of posts. Because you got one bad 5870 the whole series must suck, and now your ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. It could be just that one individual card. It could be the manufacturer messed up and built a lame series of cards, and an equivalent card from a different manufacturer would work. It could be drivers, another piece of hardware in your PC, or any number of other things causing problems.

So, if you buy a fermi and it gives you the same troubles, are you going to throw it out and buy a Intel video card? I got an i740 I could sell you (but it won't be cheap).

Actually I got two xfx xxx versions neither of which can run at their advertised clocks so they have to be clocked down. Read the reviews these cards are getting on newegg and other sites. I'm probably a little mort experienced than most of you here and I've lived through many an anticipated videocard release date. I always look forward to the latest and greatest and some of the cards that lived up to my expectations were the 8800 series and the 3dfx 1 & 2. The 5xxx series however has been a disaster. Sure they're nice cards if you're the 2/3 people that get one with healthy memory that can run at advertised clocks and don't end up with the soon-to-be infamous pinstripe screen of death.

Nope...no fanboi here. Just someone who handed in his GTX295 to find that the 5870 is the flip of a coin.

If all these problem cards are fixed by a little bios update I'll eat my words.
Somehow I doubt this will be the case.
 
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lifeblood

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Actually I got two xfx xxx versions neither of which can run at their advertised clocks so they have to be clocked down. Read the reviews these cards are getting on newegg and other sites.
As you suggested, I read the reviews of the cards. I believe you are talking about the factory overclocked cards? I did find some comments where the speeds had to be lowered or the fan speed increased, etc. Sounds like XFX produced a series of cards that are more prone to issues than the rest of the cards. This does not condem the 5XXX series, only the XFX XXX series, and even then most people had no problem with the cards. The problem may be in fact the memory XFX is using rather than the GPU, it's hard to tell by reading the comments.

While I cannot say if it is actually happening, I do expect to see a higher then average failure rate on the 5XXX series of cards simply because of the problems TSMC is having with their 40nm process. Too many chances for small bugs to slip by QC only to be found by the end user. I expect the failure rate to go down as time passes and processes improve (part of the early adapter penalty, unfortunitly).

I think you got cards from a bad lot or because XFX did a poor job on that XXX series. To call the whole 5XXX series a disaster is is a totally unjustified comment. I may eat my words, but I doubt it.
 

HeXploiT

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As you suggested, I read the reviews of the cards. I believe you are talking about the factory overclocked cards? I did find some comments where the speeds had to be lowered or the fan speed increased, etc. Sounds like XFX produced a series of cards that are more prone to issues than the rest of the cards. This does not condem the 5XXX series, only the XFX XXX series, and even then most people had no problem with the cards. The problem may be in fact the memory XFX is using rather than the GPU, it's hard to tell by reading the comments.

While I cannot say if it is actually happening, I do expect to see a higher then average failure rate on the 5XXX series of cards simply because of the problems TSMC is having with their 40nm process. Too many chances for small bugs to slip by QC only to be found by the end user. I expect the failure rate to go down as time passes and processes improve (part of the early adapter penalty, unfortunitly).

I think you got cards from a bad lot or because XFX did a poor job on that XXX series. To call the whole 5XXX series a disaster is is a totally unjustified comment. I may eat my words, but I doubt it.

I would suggest that the problem is more widespread than you think. I still have the ability to get a refund from newegg but in researching the other cards i find that the feedback is similar for all the 5870's as well as the 5970s.

Also there are more of these sorts of threads popping up every day.
So the first card I got was terrible. It crashed constantly until it finally died within the first week (and it always got the pinstripes). Now I'm on my second card which runs fine as long as I keep the memory clocked 50mhz below the advertised clocks.
So what do I do? Do another RMA and not only have to wait two weeks with the hope that I don't get yet another bad card? Do I get a refund and hope another brand name is better even when the reviews read the same? Heck all the cards are probably nearly identical beneath the cooling at this early a point anyway. No...my best choice3 is to hang onto the card until there is another trustworthy & powerful DX11 card available.

THIS is why I say I can't wait to get rid of it (yet cannot).
Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
 
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