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DrMrLordX

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ETH is going to explode? jump from $260 to $316

I would say it has already exploded. That doesn't mean it won't explode again.

What would be the best starting point for a new comer to mine bitcoins in a profitable way?

Bitcoins? Don't mine those, at all. Seriously, not worth it.

Ethereum? Try scoring a used 290 from a reputable reseller on eBay. My personal recommendation is to run it at 900 MHz GPU and 1175 MHz RAM flashed to a 390 BIOS with voltage lowered as far as you can manage without instability (-100 mV is common; at that clockspeed, you might be able to do better, though you will see voltage use scale with clockspeed so be careful how you approach this matter). Use it to mine ZEC, then if you really want ETH (ZEC prices are also rising like mad), exchange your ZEC for ETH on an exchange like Poloniex. Then move the ETH off-exchange to a private wallet.

Or just mine ETH directly, though at that point you don't need the 390 BIOS so much. You still need the undervolt though. Do it right and you can get the card down to maybe 150W, which will let you use a 1KW PSU pretty easily rather than the 1250-1300W behemoths I got for my dedicated rigs last year. Also low power usage keeps the cards in service for longer, and can keep fan speeds low(er).

See if you like using the 290 in this fashion. If you do, get some more, put together a mining rig, and use your main PC to flash BIOS mods to the cards to prepare them for mining duty. Try to avoid reference cards where you can, but if you must use them, put them in a room where the noise won't bother you so much.

Lots of people out there don't seem to understand that Hawaii is still a pretty good card for mining, and it looks like eBay has a few for less that $200 that are NOT reference designs (which can be good or bad). Not great, not as good as the 480, but good enough. I mine with 8 Hawaii cards and one Pitcairn (only usable for ZEC) and I make a decent enough profit; more importantly, the ETH I mine today goes up in value tomorrow, so the reward for mining is much greater than any standard calculation will tell you. The only downside to my basic strategy is that I had to pay out-of-pocket for hardware, and I have to pay out-of-pocket for power. I can't/won't use ETH sales to "pay myself back". I haven't sold a single ETH yet.

If I had any room in my house for more mining rigs, I'd be buying myself more 290s and setting up one or two more.

The bubble is being pumped hard... holy cow...

Not sure if it's a bubble.

There ARE some rational limits to what people will pump into crypto - for example, my above tongue-in-cheek speculation that ETH could reach a per-token value of over $2 million is clearly ridiculous since the total market cap at that point would be over $206.9 trillion. The total household net worth of the United States is maybe a little over $96 trillion? Not gonna happen folks.

That aside, it's only a bubble if it's hollow. ETH isn't hollow, which is why it started getting attention. There's a lot of sidelined money out there right now looking for a good investment (one of the major causes of the 2008 housing bubble, and also one of the lingering conditions that hasn't changed since then). There are other reasons why I think people may be sheltering assets in crypto, but that goes beyond the scale and scope of this thread, methinks.

Still I do expect that a "crash" back to the $200-$250 range is possible. I just don't think it's inevitable.

and then i just saw this article.. which basically confirms what happened at mc this morning.
http://cryptomining-blog.com/8789-be-careful-where-you-buy-your-mining-hardware-from/

The mining card situation is getting a little silly. I understand why people are snapping up all that hardware, but at the same time, it's hard for a gamer to get a decently-priced card just to . . . you know, play a video game. Instead you save maybe 3 months disposable income as a young, single guy/gal, buy a $1k video card, and then use it to mine to "pay for itself". Then after maybe 1-2 months you finally get to play some games with it.

Or you look at the lost income, realize that it's costing you something like $5 per day (or more) NOT to mine with it, and go back to mining since . . . those are some pretty expensive video games folks. Hell right now my 390 alone can pull in $7/day worth of ZEC. If I stop to play Fallout 4 or Dirty Bomb or . . . something else for 6 hours on a weekend, that just cost me $1.75. How about that?

I would personally be conflicted about playing anything but text MUDs if I didn't have multicard rigs elsewhere in the house doing the mining for me. The 390 is just icing on the cake. Icing that costs $.29 per hour to NOT use in mining.
 

dajeepster

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Had to look, and sure enough, there are 480s selling for over $500 on ebay. I mean come on people.

I'm almost tempted to dump all my 480/470/570/580 and just go with 1080ti for the density. but i've never sold any of my cards since i started back in 99 with seti.
 

ozzy702

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Not sure if it's a bubble. Still I do expect that a "crash" back to the $200-$250 range is possible. I just don't think it's inevitable.

When I say bubble, I mean I fully expect ETH to hit $400-$500 by August but there will be a correction for cryptos and I think BTC is about to take a hit and will take down all cryptos with it. I'd expect ETH to go down into the $200-$250 range BUT I see it rebounding quickly and with the depressed price of BTC and a quick rebound of ETH, the great flippening will occur and then it's anyone's guess. I personally believe that if the great flippening happens in late summer or early fall of this year that $750 ETH by early 2018 is extremely likely.

I will have buy orders for a few hundred ETH @ $200 already lined up once I sell some over the next few months.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I'm almost tempted to dump all my 480/470/570/580 and just go with 1080ti for the density. but i've never sold any of my cards since i started back in 99 with seti.
Exactly what I did. 5x 1080ti's keeping my basement warm at the moment.

Well, I didn't dump any AMD cards. At $500 per on ebay, I would though.
 
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DrMrLordX

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When I say bubble, I mean I fully expect ETH to hit $400-$500 by August but there will be a correction for cryptos and I think BTC is about to take a hit and will take down all cryptos with it. I'd expect ETH to go down into the $200-$250 range BUT I see it rebounding quickly and with the depressed price of BTC and a quick rebound of ETH, the great flippening will occur and then it's anyone's guess. I personally believe that if the great flippening happens in late summer or early fall of this year that $750 ETH by early 2018 is extremely likely.

I will have buy orders for a few hundred ETH @ $200 already lined up once I sell some over the next few months.

Selloffs are more than possible. But right now everyone's nervous about selling I think. What if it goes up instead of down? Plus there are people who are waiting for account confirmations who wanted to buy in when it was $xxx, if they get in they can reverse the crash, or slow it down. Interesting times here.
 

ozzy702

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Selloffs are more than possible. But right now everyone's nervous about selling I think. What if it goes up instead of down? Plus there are people who are waiting for account confirmations who wanted to buy in when it was $xxx, if they get in they can reverse the crash, or slow it down. Interesting times here.

I personally have a half dozen friends waiting for account verification on various exchanges. I agree fully that is going to play a big role in how things shape up. I think we'll see $500 ETH soon but things will probably tank in Aug with all the BTC fork nonsense. For now I've sold enough ETH to keep my wife happy that all my mining equipment has paid 3x for itself and our bank account is looking nicer. I'm in full on HODL mode now. I'll probably sell some in the $500 range and see how things play out.
 

deanx0r

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I have a fairly good sample of RX 580 cards ranging from ASUS, MSI, PowerColor, Sapphire and none of them were able to reach some of the ridiculous speeds people have been posting online (30+ Mh/s)). The most I could do was 29 Mh/s with a memory timing mod, a slight VRAM overclock and CORE downclock.

Only on some very rare cards, was I able to overclock the VRAM beyond 2175MHz. They would hash at 30+Mh/s, but memory errors would occur and go unstable after 2-3 days of running. I think the NVIDIA cards are giving me memory errors too, but I have no way to check it beside seeing some stale shares from my pool.
 

PhonakV30

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with ETH price , ofc those used RX 480 will jump to $500

I'm doing mining at 1150Mhz and 2050Mhz with strap 1750.at 2120Mhz , I got so many Errors after 1 days.XFX GTR rx480/Asus Strix RX480 8GB, Both Samsung
 

redzo

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with ETH price , ofc those used RX 480 will jump to $500

I'm doing mining at 1150Mhz and 2050Mhz with strap 1750.at 2120Mhz , I got so many Errors after 1 days.XFX GTR rx480/Asus Strix RX480 8GB, Both Samsung
Isn't the 1070 on par with the 580 at mining eth? Who's gonna grab those 580's at current prices. The world has gone insane!
 

PhonakV30

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ETH atm $404 .so yeah Price is insane and Miners will shift to Nvidia.still Fury X can beat GTX 1070 in both ETH and Zcash , if only Hashrate.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Isn't the 1070 on par with the 580 at mining eth? Who's gonna grab those 580's at current prices. The world has gone insane!
There's still a very, very strong stigma in the mining world it seems against NV. The 'I don't do research but I want money' types were told to buy 4x0's/5x0's, so that's exactly what they're doing.
 

Yakk

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Out of curiosity... how are the vrms doing on the nvidia mining cards? Not sure how much the latest coins stress nvidia cards, last time there were quite a few reports of people blowing out the vrms.

Like seen on the RX 480, AMD over engineers the power delivery circuits probably in part due to mining returns, which I can imagine can be costly.
 

ozzy702

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Out of curiosity... how are the vrms doing on the nvidia mining cards? Not sure how much the latest coins stress nvidia cards, last time there were quite a few reports of people blowing out the vrms.

Like seen on the RX 480, AMD over engineers the power delivery circuits probably in part due to mining returns, which I can imagine can be costly.

I've been mining on one of my 1070s (MSI Gaming X) for the past year 24/7 with no problems. It's heavily underclocked on the core though, I can't imagine the VRMs on aftermarket cards being stressed much with only a memory OC.
 
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Yakk

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Looks like a buyer's market today after some profit taking again. Talk about quick cycles!

I've been mining on one of my 1070s (MSI Gaming X) for the past year 24/7 with no problems. It's heavily underclocked on the core though, I can't imagine the VRMs on aftermarket cards being stressed much with only a memory OC.

Yeah, that doesn't stress the cards at all. Not like mining used to.
 

daxzy

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So is core clock mostly irrelevant for Eth mining? Seems like overclocking memory is way better in terms of hash rate. Unfortunately I bought 4GB RX 480's, so the memory caps around 2050 or so.
 

n0x1ous

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So is core clock mostly irrelevant for Eth mining? Seems like overclocking memory is way better in terms of hash rate. Unfortunately I bought 4GB RX 480's, so the memory caps around 2050 or so.
interesting. I have a couple launch day 4gb (really 8gb i think) that can do 2250 i believe
 

daxzy

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interesting. I have a couple launch day 4gb (really 8gb i think) that can do 2250 i believe

Because they were literally 8GB cards with 2000 Mhz rated memory. IIRC, RX 480 4GB uses cheaper memory as default speed is only 1750 MHz.
 

DrMrLordX

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Wow all the coins are taking a beating today. $420 was just too high. Though ETH is back up to $340 on Poloniex (which means around $350 elsewhere) so it isn't all doom and gloom. BTC hasn't recovered so well . . .
 

n0x1ous

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Because they were literally 8GB cards with 2000 Mhz rated memory. IIRC, RX 480 4GB uses cheaper memory as default speed is only 1750 MHz.
I think you are right, but the default is 1750 on my 4gbs as well and they dont go as high as the 8gb, but they do go to 2250. not sure what the limit is on the 8gb. they are all samsung vram
 

deanx0r

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The first few RX580 I flashed gave me 30+Mh/s but would go unstable after a few days of running. I had their VRAM (Samsung) overclocked to 2150+MHz. With AMD cards, you can check for memory errors with HWNFO64. I dialed all my cards down to 2075MHz just to be safe. All cards sit between 29-29.5Mh/s but with no memory errors now.

I've been mining on one of my 1070s (MSI Gaming X) for the past year 24/7 with no problems. It's heavily underclocked on the core though, I can't imagine the VRMs on aftermarket cards being stressed much with only a memory OC.

Are you able to check for memory errors with NVIDIA cards? I gave my 1060's +800MHz on the VRAM. They seem to be running fine for this past week, but the UI becomes unstable when I want to remote access to check on their status.
 

Madpacket

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Out of curiosity... how are the vrms doing on the nvidia mining cards? Not sure how much the latest coins stress nvidia cards, last time there were quite a few reports of people blowing out the vrms.

Like seen on the RX 480, AMD over engineers the power delivery circuits probably in part due to mining returns, which I can imagine can be costly.

Of the 50+ cards I've mined on only a 1070 has died (VRM failure). This was on the ITX version of the card and the VRM area gets very hot if not actively cooled. Anyway after an RMA and placing the card in a better cooled case I've had no issues with it since.

Tldr,

Make sure VRMs are cool along with the GPU core and you should be fine.
 

Madpacket

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Wow all the coins are taking a beating today. $420 was just too high. Though ETH is back up to $340 on Poloniex (which means around $350 elsewhere) so it isn't all doom and gloom. BTC hasn't recovered so well . . .

Yeah I think that Bancor ICO and drop in BTC played a role. Looks to be stabilizing now.
 
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