Ethereum GPU mining?

[thilanliyan]

Does limiting the TDP and overclocking the core actually make a difference over just limiting the TDP? Any adjustment I make to the TDP limit changes my core clock up and down so I wouldn't think overclocking the core along with limiting the TDP would have any effect.

It does make a difference. Overclocking effectively ups the clocks at the same voltage, or reaches the same clocks at lower voltage. And as you said your clocks are limited by the power limit, but in essence you could be hitting higher clocks at lower power when you overclock...it's a bit confusing with nV cards these days lol

I have my 1070s at 60% power at +100/+100 core/mem, and my 1080 at 70% power at +150/+250 core/mem. Getting ~430S/s on the 1070s and ~530S/s on the 1080 mining equihash algos.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'll have to somehow go back in time, figure out the daily price, as well as the number of daily coins minted and then try to figure out the capital gains while accounting for the mining operation, subtract any expenses involved (hydro, mining equipment costs, etc.) as well as lost or stolen coins. I'll also have to account for downtime and capital losses. I'm probably forgetting other stuff but this stuff just makes my head spin thinking about it.

I can't speak for people living outside of the US, but I find that in the US, the most important rule is that the IRS likes money. It never hurts to overpay a little. The amount I've made to mine and/or acquire ETH is pretty small compared to what I'd get if I cashed out now (and hopefully, in the future, the difference will only grow). So one option is to just treat the entire sum as a gain and pay tax on it. Fortunately I have a pretty good idea of how much I've paid in hardware/ETH so I could deduct that from the sum before tabulating cap gains, even if that would not give me a precise difference in value then and now on a per-token basis.

In the end, they are going to get their money. Quite a lot of it, in fact. And they didn't even have to do anything to get it! They should be so happy.

 

[Madpacket]

I can't speak for people living outside of the US, but I find that in the US, the most important rule is that the IRS likes money. It never hurts to overpay a little. The amount I've made to mine and/or acquire ETH is pretty small compared to what I'd get if I cashed out now (and hopefully, in the future, the difference will only grow). So one option is to just treat the entire sum as a gain and pay tax on it. Fortunately I have a pretty good idea of how much I've paid in hardware/ETH so I could deduct that from the sum before tabulating cap gains, even if that would not give me a precise difference in value then and now on a per-token basis.

In the end, they are going to get their money. Quite a lot of it, in fact. And they didn't even have to do anything to get it! They should be so happy.

I hear you. The CRA is really no different than the IRA when it comes to collecting taxes but I worry about triggering an audit regardless of what I do because.... Cryptocurrency. Perhaps my fear/paranoia is unwarranted but to me, this is kind of like that feeling you get when a police cruiser is behind you in traffic even though you've done nothing wrong. Depending on the type of car you're driving they may just look up your plates to try and find a reason to pull you over.

I also hate the idea of overpaying taxes regardless of how well we make out. You have giant corporations paying less than 1% taxes using "quasi-legal" tax shelters.

First world crypto problems haha!

 

[Ajay]

So, just as a consumer here. Miners suck
I know it's not you guys, but the big corporate miners - but even Nvidia GPUs are getting expensive and OOS over the mining craze.

 

[VeryCharBroiled]

I hear you. The CRA is really no different than the IRA when it comes to collecting taxes but I worry about triggering an audit regardless of what I do because.... Cryptocurrency.
!

basically i printed out my coinbase history and gave it to my accountant and let him do the taxes.

even if he figured them wrong (almost impossible to figure out what a coin was worth at the time i mined it) i figured i tried my best to do the taxes right.

if im audited at least i can bring my accountant in on it and the fact that i tried to do it right would count for something.. well hopefully anyway

 

[Elfear]

It does make a difference. Overclocking effectively ups the clocks at the same voltage, or reaches the same clocks at lower voltage. And as you said your clocks are limited by the power limit, but in essence you could be hitting higher clocks at lower power when you overclock...it's a bit confusing with nV cards these days lol

I have my 1070s at 60% power at +100/+100 core/mem, and my 1080 at 70% power at +150/+250 core/mem. Getting ~430S/s on the 1070s and ~530S/s on the 1080 mining equihash algos.

Interesting. I'll have to mess around with my cards and see what they'll do.

How much power do your 1070s pull?

 

[casiofx]

I get very similar hashrates and power draw from my cards. I see some people claiming 30-31Mh/s for 1070s but I don't see how they got there unless Linux is that much more efficient than Win10 and Claymore.

Maybe they have samsung memory chips, I saw those can be overclocked more in the gpu reviews, and eth loves memory speed

 

[thilanliyan]

Interesting. I'll have to mess around with my cards and see what they'll do.

How much power do your 1070s pull?

At those clocks, roughly 1850-1900mhz they pull about 100w according to EWBF miner, probably 20% more at the wall?

 

[ozzy702]

Ok, I have a problem I'm hoping I can address without sending back cards. I'm mining ETH with claymore's 9.5 miner.

I have "old" 1070s with Samsung memory that mine like champs. OC the memory through the roof and they just hum along.

I have "new" Micron 1070s that can't OC the memory as far, only about 550-575 on average and pull 29.5mhs or so.

I have "new" 1060s and 1070s with Samsung memory that can't mine with stock clocks at all. A few minutes into mining they blue screen or crash the miner. I've tried using huge page files. I've tried using one card at a time plugged into the mother board. I've tried various motherboards and power supplies. I simply cannot get these "new" Samsung cards to work. This is with both MSI and EVGA cards.

Thoughts?

 

[wege12]

Anyone know what's causing ethereum's price to crash right now?

 

[SimianR]

Obviously Eth/Zcash are pretty popular at the moment, but is there any hype building around some newer crypto currencies that haven't been around as long? Anything else worth a look basically?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Anyone know what's causing ethereum's price to crash right now?

Any number of things.

1). ETH was overinflated. It "should" have been around $200-$250 until later in the month, when a rise to $300 or higher would have made sense. It'll probably settle at around $250-$275 and then start creeping up again.

2). BTC is having some issues, just read /r/bitcoin and see all the griping going on over there. Too much infighting for me to keep track of really. Anyway BTC is taking a beating, taking the rest of the crypto world down with it. Again.

Just the usual nonsense. I'm sure I'd feel all smart if i had managed to sell at $420 to buy back in now, but whatever. Isn't the first time, won't be the last time.

 

[Jose Castillo]

Ok, I have a problem I'm hoping I can address without sending back cards. I'm mining ETH with claymore's 9.5 miner.

I have "old" 1070s with Samsung memory that mine like champs. OC the memory through the roof and they just hum along.

I have "new" Micron 1070s that can't OC the memory as far, only about 550-575 on average and pull 29.5mhs or so.

I have "new" 1060s and 1070s with Samsung memory that can't mine with stock clocks at all. A few minutes into mining they blue screen or crash the miner. I've tried using huge page files. I've tried using one card at a time plugged into the mother board. I've tried various motherboards and power supplies. I simply cannot get these "new" Samsung cards to work. This is with both MSI and EVGA cards.

Thoughts?

Ok you are starting to worry me cause i ordered 16 evga 1060 6 gb ssc :/

 

[Madpacket]

Ok, I have a problem I'm hoping I can address without sending back cards. I'm mining ETH with claymore's 9.5 miner.

I have "old" 1070s with Samsung memory that mine like champs. OC the memory through the roof and they just hum along.

I have "new" Micron 1070s that can't OC the memory as far, only about 550-575 on average and pull 29.5mhs or so.

I have "new" 1060s and 1070s with Samsung memory that can't mine with stock clocks at all. A few minutes into mining they blue screen or crash the miner. I've tried using huge page files. I've tried using one card at a time plugged into the mother board. I've tried various motherboards and power supplies. I simply cannot get these "new" Samsung cards to work. This is with both MSI and EVGA cards.

Thoughts?

Strange. Have you tried underclocking both core and memory? Have you tried older drivers?

 

[Madpacket]

Any number of things.

1). ETH was overinflated. It "should" have been around $200-$250 until later in the month, when a rise to $300 or higher would have made sense. It'll probably settle at around $250-$275 and then start creeping up again.

2). BTC is having some issues, just read /r/bitcoin and see all the griping going on over there. Too much infighting for me to keep track of really. Anyway BTC is taking a beating, taking the rest of the crypto world down with it. Again.

Just the usual nonsense. I'm sure I'd feel all smart if i had managed to sell at $420 to buy back in now, but whatever. Isn't the first time, won't be the last time.

There's also some nonsense about a proposed updated US law that mandates that you have to declare if you're traveling to and from the US with over 10K USD worth of crypto, and the risk of not disclosing is some serious fines. I don't think this anything new, it's just the same law that applies to cash has now been extended to cover newer forms of currency or commodities. People overreacting. I think this news along with the usual whale manipulation is causing the current crash (or correction if you will).

 

[Madpacket]

Looks like those mining cards from Nvidia are about to surface.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...y-mining-market.18782071/page-3#post-30885531

 

[fleshconsumed]

There's also some nonsense about a proposed updated US law that mandates that you have to declare if you're traveling to and from the US with over 10K USD worth of crypto, and the risk of not disclosing is some serious fines. I don't think this anything new, it's just the same law that applies to cash has now been extended to cover newer forms of currency or commodities. People overreacting. I think this news along with the usual whale manipulation is causing the current crash (or correction if you will).

ROFL that's the funniest thing I've read in a while, talk about not understanding the subject.

 

[DrMrLordX]

There's also some nonsense about a proposed updated US law that mandates that you have to declare if you're traveling to and from the US with over 10K USD worth of crypto, and the risk of not disclosing is some serious fines. I don't think this anything new, it's just the same law that applies to cash has now been extended to cover newer forms of currency or commodities. People overreacting. I think this news along with the usual whale manipulation is causing the current crash (or correction if you will).

That law is a bit weird. How the hell is Uncle Sam even gonna know? A blockchain explorer at every TSA station?

 

[Elfear]

Ok, I have a problem I'm hoping I can address without sending back cards. I'm mining ETH with claymore's 9.5 miner.

I have "old" 1070s with Samsung memory that mine like champs. OC the memory through the roof and they just hum along.

I have "new" Micron 1070s that can't OC the memory as far, only about 550-575 on average and pull 29.5mhs or so.

I have "new" 1060s and 1070s with Samsung memory that can't mine with stock clocks at all. A few minutes into mining they blue screen or crash the miner. I've tried using huge page files. I've tried using one card at a time plugged into the mother board. I've tried various motherboards and power supplies. I simply cannot get these "new" Samsung cards to work. This is with both MSI and EVGA cards.

Thoughts?

I just bought a bunch of 1060s and 1070s. All but two have Samsung memory and all of those mine just fine. They're all overclocked to +700 on the memory.

How many cards do you have per rig? Dumb question but do you have your cards synced in Afterburner accidentally so the clocks you apply to the older cards applies to the new ones which may not be able to handle the same speeds?

 

[Madpacket]

That law is a bit weird. How the hell is Uncle Sam even gonna know? A blockchain explorer at every TSA station?

That's the thing. No one actually owns crypto on a BlockChain - they just own the "keys" to unlock said funds. This is an important distinction and I don't think many people realize this especially the person(s) writing the proposed law must lack the knowledge of how blockchain works. I guess if you're dumb enough to carry your Ledger Nano S on your person and you have over 10K USD on a blockchain, they could confiscate your password protected "private key" which will erase itself after 3 failed attempts. And then you restore from your paper wallet when you return to your home country. However, the Blockchain is virtual and nodes exist everywhere so you could still make an argument you don't actually have any funds on your person even if you have the keys to unlock said funds. It would only maybe become a crime if you withdrew crypto to traditional fiat once inside the US without "declaring" your intent before entering the country.

Basically, it's a poorly drafted "catch-all" bill that can't technically apply to cryptocurrencies. It's too little too late for the US government to get involved IMHO. All they can do is apply more regulation and controls on existing exchanges forcing the competition to move their base of operations to other countries.

And now we have JP Morgan and Circle pairing up (using the Ethereum network) to allow the transfer of traditional fiat currencies in near real time with no currency conversion fees. Companies like JP Morgan have more influence than the US congress or the supreme court (Corporate America).

 

[thilanliyan]

Anyone have one card mining slower than others in their system?
I have 3 1070s in one headless system and the one card in pci-e slot 1 always mines slower, the clock speed is consistently 100+mhz lower. Cards are identical EVGA 1070s, temps are roughly the same also, so not sure what the problem is.

 

[Madpacket]

Anyone have one card mining slower than others in their system?
I have 3 1070s in one headless system and the one card in pci-e slot 1 always mines slower, the clock speed is consistently 100+mhz lower. Cards are identical EVGA 1070s, temps are roughly the same also, so not sure what the problem is.

For the card that's running at lower speeds trying upping the TDP limit another 5%. No two cards are identical and usually have slightly different power characteristics regardless if the same model or not.

 

[thilanliyan]

For the card that's running at lower speeds trying upping the TDP limit another 5%. No two cards are identical and usually have slightly different power characteristics regardless if the same model or not.

I'm wondering if it has to do with the card being the "primary" card, hence being used for any video output (when I remote in for example).

I looked again at the clocks and it's actually more like 200mhz slower than the other 1070s. GPU power is listed as 60% for all cards, temps under 60C on all cards. This is according to Afterburner.

 

[n0x1ous]

I'm wondering if it has to do with the card being the "primary" card, hence being used for any video output (when I remote in for example).

I looked again at the clocks and it's actually more like 200mhz slower than the other 1070s. GPU power is listed as 60% for all cards, temps under 60C on all cards. This is according to Afterburner.

yes when i remote into my rigs to do updates or maintenance, even when not mining, the primary card will stay at full clocks and hence hotter. my 480s are underclocked to 1100mhz and the card never falls below that though.

 

[thilanliyan]

yes when i remote into my rigs to do updates or maintenance, even when not mining, the primary card will stay at full clocks and hence hotter. my 480s are underclocked to 1100mhz and the card never falls below that though.

In my case the core clocks are staying consistently ~200mhz lower than the other 2 1070s in the system.