So how much it need to cost?It is already 310USd and will probably reach 400USD next week and more later...Nope. Price per ETH may be up, but difficulty is insane = less $.
So how much it need to cost?It is already 310USd and will probably reach 400USD next week and more later...Nope. Price per ETH may be up, but difficulty is insane = less $.
So how much it need to cost?It is already 310USd and will probably reach 400USD next week and more later...
Even if ethereum reach 1000USD next month?You really need to look into the difficulty factor. Price will NOT continue to outstrip difficulty. Eventually mining will be exclusive to large farms in China.
The day that happened, another 500TH would come online to cut the ratio back into balance.Even if ethereum reach 1000USD next month?
Even if ethereum reach 1000USD next month?
im temped too.
ill have to switch over to my 1200 watt hp server psu with breakout board to do it as my evga g2 850 wont cut it adding a vega to my 5 card rig. pulls 750 - 840 watts from the wall as it is, depending on algo and if its dual mining or not.
need a nano psu adapter to run everything from a single server psu. dont like dual psu setups..
The day that happened, another 500TH would come online to cut the ratio back into balance.
Until diffused, the difficulty bomb will do more damage than the increased glut of miners if the price skyrockets.
Are you sure?
https://etherchain.org/charts/difficultyBomb
Because <0.04% is what I'd call insignificant. Even nonexistent.
I also ran dual PSUs on some rigs, it's fine if you know what you're doing.
[snip]. So yeah a doubling soon and soon a tripling in difficulty just due to the programmed bomb is worse than adding another couple TH of cards. I don't think we'll triple the difficulty of hashing power from added cards over the next 3 months.
After the bomb is diffused payouts will drop from 5 to 3 Ether per block but we'll be back to 12 - 15 second blocktimes.
So yeah Ether is going to have to rise pretty significantly in price to offset the difficulty bomb and the increased hashes followed by a 33% reduction in payouts per block post diffusion.
Are you sure?
https://etherchain.org/charts/difficultyBomb
Because <0.04% is what I'd call insignificant. Even nonexistent.
Madpacket:
So where do I see a place that shows the real impact of the difficulty bomb? ethstats shows 21 seconds which is increased from 10-12 seconds I saw last time(last year).
Things are still being discussed under EIP 186 so you can get more detail there. A miner made a relevant post (albeit ignoring the bomb diffusion) so this is what you can expect over the coming months. Just ignore everything that was stated after October. By Nov 6th, we'll be at 45 second block times (we're at 22 seconds now).
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I know that you are all devs, and see this issue from one side of the spectrum, so if you don't mind, please allow me to express the flip side of this spectrum (the "bloated" miners perspective), in real dollars, so that you can take that information and see where it takes you in terms of when to expect network hashing power to drop off from the difficulty bomb.
Real world numbers as of 8/3/2017:
I'm going to use a 4 GPU rig of GTX 1060's as my example, as it hashes nicely at an even 100 mh/s. Extrapolate this out for larger operations.
Hashing: 100 mh/s
Wattage: 400w System + 50w Fan
Mid-of-the-road Electric Rate: .13 kWh
Frugal build cost: $1600
Let's assume the miner started 6/1/2017, here would be his ETH earnings (Current USD $220):
June - 2.33 ETH +512.60 -42.12 = $475.16
July - 1.35 ETH +297.00 -42.12 = $254.88
Aug - .585 ETH +128.70 -42.12 = $86.58
Sept - .285 ETH +62.70 -42.12 = $20.58
Oct - .138 ETH +30.36 -42.12 = ($11.76)
Nov - .067 ETH +14.74 -42.12 = ($27.38)
Total $798.06
So by October, you'll see about 1/3 to 1/2 of hashing power drop off, because they will have no chance of recouping their ROI and will be losing money by continuing.
By November only the individuals that live near hydro or nuclear plants that get .03 kWh power will remain and Ethereum would be a stretch to still call a "decentralized network".
Keep in mind:
With all this being stated, I hope that you can see that miners are not rolling around in piles of cash.
- Miner does not hit ROI
- Miner's time is valued at zero
- Does not include hotter climates where A/C is required (Easily add 25-50% Cost)
Please consider this calculation in your decision to reduce block rewards and continue with current difficulty increases due to the bomb.
We all want to see Ethereum succeed. If PoS was to release in full by the end of October, then perhaps the numbers work, but if the possibility of a year and a half wait time that's been thrown around is valid, then the network just simply can't sustain. Especially with a decrease in block reward."
Spot on and exactly what I've been saying for months now since everyone and their mom hopped on the ETH mining bandwagon. There is ZERO ROI with current difficulty and the effects of the difficulty bomb. Even with free power, no ROI which means the only people who will be mining in 6 months are those who fully believe we'll see astronomical ETH prices and that's a small fraction of what is needed to secure the network.
yes this is a known issue with Polaris. Everything time the DAG epoch goes up they drop a bit. It does not affect Fiji or Hawaii at the moment. Supposedly AMD is working on a driver patch for it, although someone on claymore's bitcointalk thread has a modified driver that apparently fixes it.Anyone notice their Radeon rigs decreasing in hash rate over the last couple weeks? I have 6x480s (8GB) and with a modded bios they used to mine at ~29.5Mh/s each and now they're at ~26.5Mh/s. I'm using Claymore v9.8 (Ethereum only mining).
yes this is a known issue with Polaris. Everything time the DAG epoch goes up they drop a bit. It does not affect Fiji or Hawaii at the moment. Supposedly AMD is working on a driver patch for it, although someone on claymore's bitcointalk thread has a modified driver that apparently fixes it.
I can't speak for Hawaii as I haven't been running any of those for months now, but the Fury X that I have in my main desktop has definitely been affected. It's down from 33 MH/s to 28 and change.yes this is a known issue with Polaris. Everything time the DAG epoch goes up they drop a bit. It does not affect Fiji or Hawaii at the moment. Supposedly AMD is working on a driver patch for it, although someone on claymore's bitcointalk thread has a modified driver that apparently fixes it.
I can't speak for Hawaii as I haven't been running any of those for months now, but the Fury X that I have in my main desktop has definitely been affected. It's down from 33 MH/s to 28 and change.