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Dice144

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Obviously, there will be a floor temperature that's a few degrees above ambient outside. If you want to go below ambient, you'll have to go below ground. Dig a nice pit or trench and run a coil or series of loops of copper tubing in it, fill with sand/sandy soil. You'll need to get a few feet down to get decent thermal difference from the air. If you can, it'll help thermal conductivity of the tubing for it to be saturated with water often. You can setup the drain from the bathroom wash basin and even the shower to run off into that area to keep it moistened without discharging sewage or having to use extra water.

This would be awesome to see!
 

LightningZ71

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It's been done before...

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/the-hole…geothermal-loop…56k-warning.95193/

http://www.overclock.net/t/671177/12-feet-under-1000-square-feet-of-geothermal-pc-cooling

You can even use multiple channels to also use it for summer home cooling and winter home heating. Combine it with an indoor car radiator with a large fan or two pushing and pulling the air through it and you can use the waste heat from a computer or two to do winter heating in an efficient manner and sink the heat into the ground in the summer.
 

DrMrLordX

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Was gonna say the same thing. In hot environs, geothermal cooling is actually a pretty good way to go, if you can afford it up front.
 

LightningZ71

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Back when I was actually considering spending some money on coin mining, I was looking into it. I live in South Louisiana. My water table here is basically at ground level (dig at all and you've got moist soil that will eventually seep). For my needs, it would have been a shaded area of my yard at about 4 feet deep. I was going to do it during my next subsidence dirt fill (the ground sinks around here due to being largely river sediment and old vegetation that's rotting). It was going to kind of look like the Virginia project from the above links.

Air conditioning is crazy expensive down here. The power rates are decent, but there is so much humidity that you spend a lot of the energy just dehumidifying the air. I wasn't too much worried about condensation as the room would have been well air conditioned anyway, and temperatures weren't going to be below the dew point. I just needed to get the heat out of the room.

I abandoned the project when I saw the trends on difficulty and the ever increasing popularity of it. Figured I'd never break even. Still might do it one day as I do Fold and hunt for aliens (S@H).
 

GoStumpy

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My rigs with all used hardware are going well, got the 1070, 1060, 2 x 970, r9-290 all going strong... "making" me ~$9-10/day, looking at a 3-5 month ROI on all the equipment
 

bob4432

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Bob, do you have access to a crawl space under your house, or a shaded area near your computer room? You could manage to do an external radiator with an outdoor rated fan, run a loop from that radiator to a small radiator in a small ice chest in your room, and run another loop from the PC into a radiator in that ice chest. Filled with water, you'll be able to run lower quality liquid in the long outside loop and high purity liquid in the inside one. The outdoor radiator can even be a junkyard car radiator.

Obviously, there will be a floor temperature that's a few degrees above ambient outside. If you want to go below ambient, you'll have to go below ground. Dig a nice pit or trench and run a coil or series of loops of copper tubing in it, fill with sand/sandy soil. You'll need to get a few feet down to get decent thermal difference from the air. If you can, it'll help thermal conductivity of the tubing for it to be saturated with water often. You can setup the drain from the bathroom wash basin and even the shower to run off into that area to keep it moistened without discharging sewage or having to use extra water.
Appreciate the suggestion but unfortunately I live in a condo. No crawl space below and a small one above the bedrooms but it is hotter than h3ll up there. Unfortunately, even the coldest part of the day we are still @ ~90F from ~May to Sept, give or take a few days. The rest of year I do not think heat would be an issue. The other issue is that this would have to be be a rather hidden setup as with the lack of space, my wife really wouldn't be too happy with what you are describing, not trying to sound like a d!ck to you as I appreciate the suggestion, but I just know what would and would not fly with her.

The other option I have run into is the price of the gpus, everything is @ MSRP or higher or OOS. Those parts can be overcome with patience, but unfortunately running a liquid cooling setup to the outside patio is definitely not going to go over with my wife. Unfortunately, what I run (if I can even get to that point) has to basically be done on air, because even if I went w/ a large liquid cooling setup, running 24/7, I would think that after a day, the radiatory wouldn't be able to really cool the liquid much, even with a very large radiator, but even if it did, the heat will still be put out into the room. Don't get me wrong, the condo is air conditioned, but if I have to take that a/c electricity into account, there is no way I will come close to break even, let alone a profit unless whatever I mine goes nuts like BTC.

I am still looking and trying to figure out if this is even a possibility from a ROI perspective. The only positive is that the office does not get used that much, so unless the heat is pouring out of that room, it may be a non-issue. Again this would limit the amount of gpus I could use, which with even the newest, most efficient units, I think is 4, which would also work in the rig in sigs m/b. I could put in the lowest power cpu and modify the case to all 92-120mm fans (its an OLD (read beige), large mid-size case) or design and have built a custom, mining case (which wouldn't cost anything, but time as a friend owns a aerospace machine shop or I could make it myself from the 80/20 Al stuff).

From what I have read, which is not near as much as many of you, ETH seems to be where it is at at the moment, but what is the best OS to run this stuff on? Win7 or 10? I have read that some of the ATI cards can actually be undervolted a bit and underclocked without much of a hit, so I am going into this thinking I could at least run the card @ normal speeds and not need to o/c it to insane speeds, but again, this is just my conclusion from the small bit of reading I have done.

Appreciate the suggestion, I am not quite out but am thinking of ways to at least give it some sort of try. I have some things to sell just off the top of my head, sitting here collecting dust that would cover at least 1 decent gpu and a quality psu, thinking in the 750-1000W range. I have a couple server psus that are rated @ near 75-85A on the 12V rail on 110V, but I do not know their efficiency. I bought them a couple years ago when I was heavily into multirotors as a source for clean 12V for charging multiple lipos at the same time. Due to what the FAA did, I just didn't want to deal w/ their BS as I live rather close to a large municipal airport that is home to A LOT of business jets. I have no issue soldering large copper wire to the blades on the back of the psus as I have the output sheets, but I don't know if I would be better off just getting at least a bronze 750-1000W psu and start off w/ possibly 1 gpu and see how things go? Need to do some research on hashrates for the different gpus as since I will be thermally limited, I have to get the most efficient gpus. Figure the main computer would just use 50W or less, then the gpus would take 200W+ each, if not more.

EDIT: After reading the in GeoThermal setup, I do not have the space to do what was done - again, condo w/ a little backyard that is large enough for my dogs (2 Miniature Poodles) to do their business in. Plus, I do not have the equipment or back to do what was described. Appreciate the suggestion though and for helping me think outside the box.

Appreciate the suggestion,
Bob
 
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bob4432

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Is there a CryptoCurrency sub-forum that I have somehow missed? If not, maybe the Admins/Mods could put one up. I do not know where Anandtech stands in the world of tech sites, but I have always found pretty much the most well rounded people here. Do not know why, but Tom's, well I just don't feel the same level of quality discussions, but then again, Anandtech is the first major Tech forum I joined back in the day, so I may be a little skewed in my feelings.
 

LightningZ71

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Well Bob, it looks like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place there. If you intend to persue coin mining, I strongly suggest that you focus your build on efficiency instead of raw throughput. It will lengthen your break even length, but, it will be more manageable during that time. There are plenty of forums out there that will guide you to the cards that can be run at the lowest power while still providing a decent rate of production. Also, keep in mind, the base board and CPU itself can be quite modest and tuned for low power as well. As for OS, I've seen it referenced that Linux gives the best performance. Again many build and setup guides out there.

More than anything, though I fear that you may never reach break even on any investment into this. Very large mining farms are going online every day in Europe and Asia. As that horsepower gets put online, the difficulty will continue to climb quickly. It could climb much faster than expected and you'll never outlive the rig's break even date.
 

IntelUser2000

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Bob, the GTX 1060s are an alternative to RX480/580 GPUs. As a bonus the drivers are better on the Nvidia side.

My RX 480/580s needed 120W undervolted to get 28MH/s. You can get GTX 1060s to run at 60W and get 22.5MH/s. You can probably get 23.5MH/s at that same power use. I am pretty sure I could have got higher on my RX cards, but its such a hassle.

Driver advantage on Nvidia:
-With updates you don't need a reboot
-With my RX GPUs I want to use the system so I have display out on the HD 630 iGPU. I can't overclock or see settings. With Nvidia you can do both

Disadvantage with Nvidia:
-Absolute hash rate would be lower
-It tends to be more expensive

Something that's a wash between the two:
-You can't modify the BIOS, so technically that's a disadvantage, because you are at the mercy of the memory chip vendor you get(Samsung is best, Micron is decent, Hynix sucks). With AMD cards you can somewhat mitigate that.
-But, it means the settings are really simple. No messing around with mod BIOS settings. Just find stable frequency with OC utilities
 

PhonakV30

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anyone knows what's issue with spike hashrate ? I get between 275 to 360.before it was smooth , no spike.
My rig :
Windows 10
12x RX 480 running at 1050Mhz@950mv/2000Mhz@default voltage with strap 1750.
Driver : DriverVer=08/08/2017, 22.19.659.0
Claymore 9.8
My Pool : https://ethermine.org
 
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Hitman928

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Reinstalled the block chain driver. With Vega 56 I can get up to 39.5 MH/s at about 100 W (according to hwinfo). Not bad at all. That's only slightly more than my 470 8GB getting 25.5 MH/s. I hit a performance wall at 39.5 though. Anything more on the core clock or memory clock doesn't get me more.
 

dajeepster

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Reinstalled the block chain driver. With Vega 56 I can get up to 39.5 MH/s at about 100 W (according to hwinfo). Not bad at all. That's only slightly more than my 470 8GB getting 25.5 MH/s. I hit a performance wall at 39.5 though. Anything more on the core clock or memory clock doesn't get me more.

what are your core and memory clocks and core voltage? system spec?... otherwise your hash rate is of no relevance. and have you tried with 17.8.2 drivers yet.
 

xpea

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Like I wrote earlier...

It's only a matter of time for the miners to get optimized for Vega...
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-...ereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/

I still think Vega can do a lot better with more optimization.
and the follow up article:
http://wccftech.com/amds-rx-vega-64-etherium-mining-248-watts-of-power-draw/
Exclusive: AMD’s RX Vega 64 Etherium Mining Power Efficiency – 43.5 MH/s At ~248 Watts of Power Draw

There are quite a few reports circling around the internet today regarding disruptive power efficiency claims of the Vega 64. So we decided to put this theory to the test by taking a watt meter and a trusty Vega 64 (liquid cooled edition) and running em through the paces. The test was conducted by our US Editor, Keith May and the liquid cooled Vega 64 provided to him by AMD.

We tried to use identical settings to the tester (mining drivers were used): 1000MHz core at 1000mV, 1100MHz Memory, and -25 Power Limit. We were easily able to get the 43.5 mHash/s rate that the tester got but our power specs were a whole different story. While HWInfo was happily reporting a power draw of ~130 Watts, the Kill-A-Watt meter told a different story. Our test bed had an idle power draw of around 138 Watts and forms the base line for our test. The power draw at load however was 386 Watts. This yields a delta of ~248 watts, which is obviously significantly higher than what the reports claim to have achieved with the card.
No miracle here
 
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Krteq

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Hmm... That guy on reddit have a 2 Vegas in rig, WCCFTech have a single card and still had a similar power consumption in load
S1L3N7_D3A7H on Reddit said:
As measured by my HX1000i PSU. Idle power is 148w. Load power is 406w. I have two Vega 64s, so you need to divide by 2 for the per card power. 406 - 148 = 258/2 = 129

some photos/screenshots from that user - https://imgur.com/a/1GgvR

There is something fishy
 

ozzy702

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leoneazzurro

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Hmm... That guy on reddit have a 2 Vegas in rig, WCCFTech have a single card and still had a similar power consumption in load


some photos/screenshots from that user - https://imgur.com/a/1GgvR

There is something fishy

Yes, it is definitely fishy if you consider that Anandtech itself measured the whole system consumption of a system with RX vega 64, under Furmark, of 410W.
Considering that Wccftech card should be underclocked, undervolted and with a -25% power limit, it is really not consistent.
It seems like they underclocked their card but did not undervolt it, at least.
Also 145W seems quite too low, probably the truth is in the middle.
 
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Yakk

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Reinstalled the block chain driver. With Vega 56 I can get up to 39.5 MH/s at about 100 W (according to hwinfo). Not bad at all. That's only slightly more than my 470 8GB getting 25.5 MH/s. I hit a performance wall at 39.5 though. Anything more on the core clock or memory clock doesn't get me more.

39.5 MH/s @ 100 W is pretty good!
 

ozzy702

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39.5 MH/s @ 100 W is pretty good!

Except that's probably 200watts from the wall. Software measurements are meaningless, from the wall is what matters and so far Vega still looks middle of the road.
 

Madpacket

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Ok finally got around to setting up my Vega 64 that I bought on launch day. I just slapped this altogether very quickly. Using Wattman and the latest 17.2 (non mining) drivers I set the GPU core to 1000Mhz and memory to 1100Mhz. No voltage tweaks (all on auto).

Results here.
Vega64 + Claymore 9.8 https://imgur.com/gallery/qehO9

Could use some pointers on what's the best way to get above 40Mh. Card is pulling just under ~200w at almost 39Mh. Better than I thought so far.
 
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dajeepster

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Ok finally got around to setting up my Vega 64 that I bought on launch day. I just slapped this altogether very quickly. Using Wattman and the latest 17.2 (non mining) drivers I set the GPU core to 1000Mhz and memory to 1100Mhz. No voltage tweaks (all on auto).

Results here.
Vega64 + Claymore 9.8 https://imgur.com/gallery/qehO9

Could use some pointers on what's the best way to get above 40Mh. Card is pulling just under ~200w at almost 39Mh. Better than I thought so far.

get Claymore 10.0. 1% speedup for Eth for Vega, and a much larger Speedup for Lbry
 
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bob4432

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I understand that someone had said to me a few posts back to go onlne and read about setting things up, getting a wallet, etc.

I am not being lazy and just ask for a link, but I just do not know who to trust with all the tutorials. I would like to get my wallet(s)? setup and populated with something, yet cheap altcoins just to see how it is done while I figure my mining situation out. Do I need a wallet for each coin or will one wallet accept all or most of them? I really do not want to use my own banking info or cc to buy or receive, so how do I do that that? Can I save the wallet to an offline, usb flash drive or hdd - how much space is needed? I understand this is a bit OT, but I need a place to start that is a trusted source and is there any reason I need to give any "real" info? Can I buy w/ a refillable Visa? Do I need to use my real personal items? I thought this was anonymous. I am trying to get setup so I can have the back end infrastructure in place since it seems most of the desireable cards are oos ATM anyway. Please point me in a direction of a safe way to get the wallet setup correctly.

You guys were noobs at one time and I assume somebody helped you in getting started, please extend that to me as at this point I do not know the rules and don't want to be taken advantage of.

Thanks in advance,
Bob
 
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