Ethereum GPU mining?

[thilanliyan]

Nice hash is probably the easiest way to get started and you don't end up with some useless altcoin

 

[bbhaag]

Nicehash is what I use as well. I just mine off and on so I wanted something easy to setup to get my feet wet. I also had an old Coinbase account that had a wallet so I just entered that address into Nicehash and it transfers over my coins on specific dates.

 

[Hitman928]

Okay, finally got my watt meter plugged in.

Vega 56 @ 1275 mHz and 970 mV pulls 205 W from the wall.

I measured by starting mining with 2 cards (the other is a 470) measuring power draw and then disabling mining on the Vega56 and measuring again. Obviously this is a lot more than the 100 W hwinfo was reporting but it's still not terrible at over 39 MH/s. Polaris still wins in efficiency though. If I downclock enough I can pretty much match Polaris efficiency at Polaris speeds.

 

[VirtualLarry]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-...OC-4GB-128-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express/292151837725

Would some of these ($130 RX 560 4GB, NO PCI-E power connector), be the ultimate mining cards, due to no PCI-E connector?

Just curious.

I just tripped my breaker.

I've got a (thankfully) 20A circuit in this apt., that handles BOTH living room and bedroom outlets. (Oh how I wish that they were on seperate circuits.) I also have electric heat, and overhead lighting and bathroom heat and lighting. The fixture heat and lighting appears to be on one "leg", and the electrical outlets that I have access to, are on the other "leg" of service. No washer/dryer, although there is an electric stove and fridge, those are also on separate breakers, pretty sure. I've got a 120V window A/C, which keeps the apt. cool, but is also on the same circuits as the PCs.

I've got 8 video cards mining, and 4 6-core CPUs. (a mixture of Ryzen 5 1600, and Thuban). One of the Ryzen 5 1600 CPUs is overclocked to 3.6Ghz, most recently. (Guess I should undo that OC to save some power.)

Most of the video cards, are adjusted downwards as far as both freq. and power limit, in WattMan.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Okay, finally got my watt meter plugged in.

Vega 56 @ 1275 mHz and 970 mV pulls 205 W from the wall.

I measured by starting mining with 2 cards (the other is a 470) measuring power draw and then disabling mining on the Vega56 and measuring again. Obviously this is a lot more than the 100 W hwinfo was reporting but it's still not terrible at over 39 MH/s. Polaris still wins in efficiency though. If I downclock enough I can pretty much match Polaris efficiency at Polaris speeds.

Probably better to just keep buying Polaris or to get 1070s. For ETH anyway. Not sure what all the people buying $700 Vegas are really doing with those cards.

 

[DrMrLordX]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-...OC-4GB-128-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express/292151837725

Would some of these ($130 RX 560 4GB, NO PCI-E power connector), be the ultimate mining cards, due to no PCI-E connector?

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/...th-an-rx-560-since-all-the-570s-580s-are-gone

 

[VirtualLarry]

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/...th-an-rx-560-since-all-the-570s-580s-are-gone

He estimates $2/day profit, but that was three months ago that article was written.

Do you think that someone would see ROI on a $133 card (RX 560 4GB, no PCI-E power), at 12MH/s, running 24/7? And would doing so, interfere with the normal operation of the PC much? (No gaming, just web browsing, and a LOT of online stream / YouTube viewing.)

Thinking of trying to talk my friend into upgrading his GT610 card, in his Athlon II X4 640 3.0Ghz rig, it has 16GB of RAM and a 120GB SSD and Win7 64-bit. I was thinking of going halfsies with him on the card, and I would get the mining profits, until the card was paid off, then he would get whatever mining profits remained. And he would be left with a bona-fide upgraded GPU for that rig, probably the last upgrade he would ever need to make on that rig, save for possibly a larger SSD like a 240/250 or a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, which has dropped to $140 recently.

 

[Madpacket]

get Claymore 10.0. 1% speedup for Eth for Vega, and a much larger Speedup for Lbry

Thanks, 10.0 most have just been released.

 

[Madpacket]

Okay, finally got my watt meter plugged in.

Vega 56 @ 1275 mHz and 970 mV pulls 205 W from the wall.

I measured by starting mining with 2 cards (the other is a 470) measuring power draw and then disabling mining on the Vega56 and measuring again. Obviously this is a lot more than the 100 W hwinfo was reporting but it's still not terrible at over 39 MH/s. Polaris still wins in efficiency though. If I downclock enough I can pretty much match Polaris efficiency at Polaris speeds.

Can you tell me what tools you're using for setting voltage and monitoring etc?

If I try 1275Mhz core and 975mv using Wattman my hashrate drops below 38Mh and sucks another 35W.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Will NiceHash 2.0.0.12 beta pull in the new 10.0 Claymore? Anything special to do to get it to work with NiceHash?

 

[DrMrLordX]

He estimates $2/day profit, but that was three months ago that article was written.

Do you think that someone would see ROI on a $133 card (RX 560 4GB, no PCI-E power), at 12MH/s, running 24/7? And would doing so, interfere with the normal operation of the PC much? (No gaming, just web browsing, and a LOT of online stream / YouTube viewing.)

Thinking of trying to talk my friend into upgrading his GT610 card, in his Athlon II X4 640 3.0Ghz rig, it has 16GB of RAM and a 120GB SSD and Win7 64-bit. I was thinking of going halfsies with him on the card, and I would get the mining profits, until the card was paid off, then he would get whatever mining profits remained. And he would be left with a bona-fide upgraded GPU for that rig, probably the last upgrade he would ever need to make on that rig, save for possibly a larger SSD like a 240/250 or a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, which has dropped to $140 recently.

12 MH/s ain't worth much right now. According to nanopool, 1 MH/s is worth ~$1.63 per month before taking into account power usage. So one 560 4 GB card would produce ~$19.55 per month gross. That's nearly 7 months to achieve RoI, and that assumes free power and 24/7 mining. Also, those 560s seem to burn ~100W at the wall to achieve those results. That's about in line with the efficiency level of my old 270 back when it could mine.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That's about in line with the efficiency level of my old 270 back when it could mine.

My pair of 270X 2GB cards still mine.

 

[dajeepster]

Thanks, 10.0 most have just been released.

I think it was released late friday night. I'm always monitoring it and a few others. I'm using 17.8.2 drivers for my vega64 and i'm using the block chain drivers for everything else.

 

[dajeepster]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-...OC-4GB-128-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express/292151837725

Would some of these ($130 RX 560 4GB, NO PCI-E power connector), be the ultimate mining cards, due to no PCI-E connector?

Just curious.

I just tripped my breaker.

I've got a (thankfully) 20A circuit in this apt., that handles BOTH living room and bedroom outlets. (Oh how I wish that they were on seperate circuits.) I also have electric heat, and overhead lighting and bathroom heat and lighting. The fixture heat and lighting appears to be on one "leg", and the electrical outlets that I have access to, are on the other "leg" of service. No washer/dryer, although there is an electric stove and fridge, those are also on separate breakers, pretty sure. I've got a 120V window A/C, which keeps the apt. cool, but is also on the same circuits as the PCs.

I've got 8 video cards mining, and 4 6-core CPUs. (a mixture of Ryzen 5 1600, and Thuban). One of the Ryzen 5 1600 CPUs is overclocked to 3.6Ghz, most recently. (Guess I should undo that OC to save some power.)

Most of the video cards, are adjusted downwards as far as both freq. and power limit, in WattMan.

Here's where you start changing all the lightbulbs to LED so you can have more power to run your computers...

 

[bob4432]

Surpised you have to buy Eth OS, a *nix based OS...and after seeing the gpuShack's open air cases, and open air cases in general, hell I should make and sell those.... Do they spike like the cards do/have?

 

[dajeepster]

Will NiceHash 2.0.0.12 beta pull in the new 10.0 Claymore? Anything special to do to get it to work with NiceHash?

You can actually just download 10.0 claymore and pop it in the bin folder in Nicehash, and just rebench.

Once you're comfortable with nicehash, i would suggest moving on to something else like multipoolminer or awesome miner or mph-miner. I've been using multipoolminer(mpm) for about a year now. mpm will mine the most profitable coin and it will mine on nicehash, zpool, hashrefinery, and/or miningpoolhub.

 

[DrMrLordX]

My pair of 270X 2GB cards still mine.

Mine doesn't. It won't mine ETH so I just retired it.

 

[IEC]

Was wondering why BTC and ETH took a nosedive before recovering a bit.

Seems like China banned ICOs.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...e-becoming-a-big-deal-china-just-banned-them/

 

[VeryCharBroiled]

Was gonna say the same thing. In hot environs, geothermal cooling is actually a pretty good way to go, if you can afford it up front.

are you thinking of just using the ground as a heat/cold sink with no actual heatpump? just a liquid pump? works well if the loop is long enough and its far enough below ground.

i have geothermal (technically a ground source heatpump) heat/cooling along with hot water preheat via its desuperheater. when its cooling the house heat is dumped to the hot water preheat tank. the preheat tank temp can get above the hot water heater set temp on hot days. very efficient. actual hot water heater is a hybrid that cools and dehumidifies the basement where my NAS and 5 card mining rig live. have 2000 feet of horizontal loop in the back yard buried 5 feet down. that loop sinks a 2 1/2 ton heatpump.

we are so spoiled by it any house we move to will have geothermal put in.

there is (was?) a 30% federal tax credit on geothermal systems, as well as zero percent 7 year loans.

 

[Headfoot]

Was wondering why BTC and ETH took a nosedive before recovering a bit.

Seems like China banned ICOs.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...e-becoming-a-big-deal-china-just-banned-them/

ICOs in all likelihood have been illegal in most markets the whole time, and enforcement is now just catching up, IMO. I know ICOs will definitely run afoul of the SEC in the US, its just a matter of time. The only way around it would be to structure it to fit in the recent 'kickstarter' crowdfunding rules (rule 147/504) or to go full out

 

[Madpacket]

Weird, 17.2 drivers + Claymore 10.0 lost me 1Mh over Claymore 9.8 on my Vega64. Perhaps I'll try the actual mining drivers but I really want to game on this thing...

 

[DrMrLordX]

are you thinking of just using the ground as a heat/cold sink with no actual heatpump? just a liquid pump? works well if the loop is long enough and its far enough below ground.

Either or. How you go about it is limited only by imagination, budget, and technical acumen. Obviously a pumped system is going to add/remove heat more aggressively than a passive one, though you are still limited by the ground's ability to sink heat. Unless you live near a pond or lake.

 

[Hitman928]

Can you tell me what tools you're using for setting voltage and monitoring etc?

If I try 1275Mhz core and 975mv using Wattman my hashrate drops below 38Mh and sucks another 35W.

Wattman and Vega is finicky right now. I think due in large part to only have the top 2 power states open for control. Play with your power slider and monitor with the latest hwinfo beta. The power readings aren't real (or are only partial) but the voltages I think are accurate. What I believe happens is that depending on your power level and settings, Vega may dip into lower power levels for some weird reason but because we can't control those levels, you're getting higher voltages and maybe higher frequencies. Even if that's not happening, I think Vega (and Polaris) interpolate voltages and frequencies between power levels depending on a number of factors. You also have to be careful that setting the power slider lower doesn't force your memory to clock down.https://www.hwinfo.com/files/hw64_557_3235.zip

Also, do you have a 56 or 64 variant? I believe these behave differently due to different bios limits.

 

[Madpacket]

Wattman and Vega is finicky right now. I think due in large part to only have the top 2 power states open for control. Play with your power slider and monitor with the latest hwinfo beta. The power readings aren't real (or are only partial) but the voltages I think are accurate. What I believe happens is that depending on your power level and settings, Vega may dip into lower power levels for some weird reason but because we can't control those levels, you're getting higher voltages and maybe higher frequencies. Even if that's not happening, I think Vega (and Polaris) interpolate voltages and frequencies between power levels depending on a number of factors. You also have to be careful that setting the power slider lower doesn't force your memory to clock down.

Also, do you have a 56 or 64 variant? I believe these behave differently due to different bios limits.

Thanks. Good to know about Wattman and I'll switch over to HWInfo instead of GPU-Z.

I'm measuring total system power from the wall so I think it's pretty accurate. Idle power is 50W, load is 250W, therefore, we can assumme the Vega 64 WC edition is using around 195W accounting for power supply losses in total producing almost 39Mh. This is already more efficienct that the Fury cards but still a far cry from 1070 type efficiency.

When I see videos like this, I'm kind of like WTF, he's getting 43Mh on air at 216W from the wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIvy0vMNk4A

EDIT: I think I know why these guys are getting 43Mh, they're mining "Ubiq" with a much smaller DAG size. So same algorthim but different DAG size. Therefore don't believe anyone who's stating they're getting more than 40Mh mining Ether on a Vega at sane power levels (yet).

Oh well, 39Mh is still excellent given I can use mainstream drivers and just game when I want to, and then mine during the downtime. I'm sure over enough time (like every other card I bought) it'll eventually pay itself off.

What many miners forget is to take into consideration is the price of the coin they're mining. Sure the difficulty sucks and will only get worse (well better after the bomb diffuse, then worse, at least with Ether). I suspect the price of Ether will eventually hit $600+, probably closer to the Metropolis release. Now that Raiden is also working (on testnet) the scaling issue (albeit not the most optimal sharding / casper style) will be less of an argument for other Blockchains going forward. It'll be a good stop gap until Plasma, and then eventually sharding + POS.

China "banning" ICO's is a joke / temporary set back. It's all posturing like when they "cleaned up the exchanges" back in the spring.

 

[Aikouka]

Will NiceHash 2.0.0.12 beta pull in the new 10.0 Claymore? Anything special to do to get it to work with NiceHash?

Have you updated recently? They're on 2.0.1.1 right now. Also, they seem to add newer miners in with new software revisions (assuming depending on needed changes), so you'd need to keep up to date.