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IEC

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Will 2018 be the year of ETH supremacy? It sure looks like it's making a run for it.
 

Madpacket

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This syncing process is extremely annoying. I bought ETH ages ago and never synced for month and starting from scratch was advised so I did. Still takes forever. And once you are there you must basically let you PC running with geth for several hours each day to be able to catch up. How do you guys handle this? Full resync ever other month? But then when you want to sell you will have to wait hours or by then maybe days till you can actually sell and price might have crashed by then. For sure the software /stack is not yet ready for prime time and general adoption.

Why are you trying to run a full node?
 

Madpacket

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Will 2018 be the year of ETH supremacy? It sure looks like it's making a run for it.

Ethereum is on a tear lately. It's the only Blockchain technology with an army of talented developers and a real diverse working product. 10x the amount of devs committed to Ethereum development compared to the next biggest (Hyperledger). Roadmap for 2018 is looking amazing. The Ethereum Blockchain already processes more transactions per day than all other blockchains combined. Over a million transactions a day on a simple Proof of Work implementation. Sure we have kitties, games and porn pushing the Blockchain but this mirrors the early internet days. A working Casper PoS implementation on testnet, an almost finalized Sharding implementation, Raiden and OmiseGO for side channel transactions and we have scalability solutuons coming fast. Vitalik using his own money (millions) to fund even more scalability solutions through grants, Working partnerships with hundreds of huge companies, the list goes on.

It's amazing to think where this started and where we are now. Good times ahead! Hodl strong my friends, it'll pay off.

If you haven't done so yet I really recommend attending local Ethereum meetups. You will learn a ton of things from like minded people, share ideas, and likely make a few friends. There's a lot of us out here now.
 
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Aikouka

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Ethereum is one coin that I've never really gotten into. It wouldn't be the worst idea to diversify some of my BTC more. Although, whenever you consider jumping into a coin, doing so after a good jump almost always seems like a bad idea. It has always seemed rare for a coin to make a large jump (Ethereum went up around 25-30%) without taking a modest dip before going up again.

Although, the one thing I'm trying to find now is a good portfolio app/site. What I mostly want is to be able to do something like add in an offset to help me realize gains. An example is how I bought some Augur for .0005, and right now, that same Augur is worth something like .000496. Yes, it's still worth money, but I want it to be rather visible that the Augur has lost me .000004. It would also be good to see how that trends over time. On the other hand, if I mine altcoins, I don't care as much about using offsets. I could argue that they cost me USD to create due to running the video cards, but I'm not as concerned about that.
 

Madpacket

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Ethereum is one coin that I've never really gotten into. It wouldn't be the worst idea to diversify some of my BTC more. Although, whenever you consider jumping into a coin, doing so after a good jump almost always seems like a bad idea. It has always seemed rare for a coin to make a large jump (Ethereum went up around 25-30%) without taking a modest dip before going up again.

Although, the one thing I'm trying to find now is a good portfolio app/site. What I mostly want is to be able to do something like add in an offset to help me realize gains. An example is how I bought some Augur for .0005, and right now, that same Augur is worth something like .000496. Yes, it's still worth money, but I want it to be rather visible that the Augur has lost me .000004. It would also be good to see how that trends over time. On the other hand, if I mine altcoins, I don't care as much about using offsets. I could argue that they cost me USD to create due to running the video cards, but I'm not as concerned about that.


Have you tried Blockfolio?
 

Aikouka

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Have you tried Blockfolio?

Hm, I'm trying it out, and other than being a little buggy, it has one big problem that I see... it doesn't support receiving coins. At least the only thing I can find is adding transactions, but if I can't go back through Coinbase and add all of my transactions, I won't have a very accurate ledger. Of course, if I don't care about the Bitcoin values, I could just use it to track altcoins that I've used Bitcoin to purchase (or bought LTC with BTC to purchase other altcoins). It does seem to do the other part pretty well as in it keeps track of how much value a coin has gained since I purchased it, which is definitely something that I've been looking for.
 

Madpacket

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Hm, I'm trying it out, and other than being a little buggy, it has one big problem that I see... it doesn't support receiving coins. At least the only thing I can find is adding transactions, but if I can't go back through Coinbase and add all of my transactions, I won't have a very accurate ledger. Of course, if I don't care about the Bitcoin values, I could just use it to track altcoins that I've used Bitcoin to purchase (or bought LTC with BTC to purchase other altcoins). It does seem to do the other part pretty well as in it keeps track of how much value a coin has gained since I purchased it, which is definitely something that I've been looking for.

The app unfortunately won't do everything you asked and it's under heavy server load at the moment (so a little buggy) but is good for keeping track of purchases, pricing, earnings and losses etc.
 

Roger Wilco

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Is it worthwhile to purchase ETH on Coinbase? I'm a total newb, but my friend was talking about buying some bitcoin on Coinbase so he can purchase some Ripple.
 

Aikouka

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The app unfortunately won't do everything you asked and it's under heavy server load at the moment (so a little buggy) but is good for keeping track of purchases, pricing, earnings and losses etc.

Yeah, I find that a lot of apps don't support mining. If you attempt to add coins, they'll want to assign some sort of value to them.

Is it worthwhile to purchase ETH on Coinbase? I'm a total newb, but my friend was talking about buying some bitcoin on Coinbase so he can purchase some Ripple.

I'd recommend against buying Bitcoin to purchase Ripple, because Coinbase/GDAX don't trade Ripple. That means you have to transfer the money elsewhere to purchase it. Bitcoin still has fairly high transfer fees... especially if you're only investing a small amount (~$15-25 per transfer). On the other hand, Litecoin transfers are free on GDAX. So, you can do the following...

  1. Purchase Litecoin on Coinbase.
  2. Pull in the Litecoin into GDAX from Coinbase.
  3. Send the Litecoin to any Exchange that does LTC/RPL or BTC/RPL.
  4. If the Exchange uses LTC, just trade once it's available. If not, trade the LTC into BTC, and purchase the Ripple with BTC.
I know Binance supports LTC/RPL, but the site has been under some major stress lately. There are a few that support LTC and RPL trading, which means BTC can easily serve as a median coin. You will lose a tiny bit to trading fees (usually less than 1%), but it's not a huge deal.
 

Roger Wilco

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Yeah, I find that a lot of apps don't support mining. If you attempt to add coins, they'll want to assign some sort of value to them.



I'd recommend against buying Bitcoin to purchase Ripple, because Coinbase/GDAX don't trade Ripple. That means you have to transfer the money elsewhere to purchase it. Bitcoin still has fairly high transfer fees... especially if you're only investing a small amount (~$15-25 per transfer). On the other hand, Litecoin transfers are free on GDAX. So, you can do the following...

  1. Purchase Litecoin on Coinbase.
  2. Pull in the Litecoin into GDAX from Coinbase.
  3. Send the Litecoin to any Exchange that does LTC/RPL or BTC/RPL.
  4. If the Exchange uses LTC, just trade once it's available. If not, trade the LTC into BTC, and purchase the Ripple with BTC.
I know Binance supports LTC/RPL, but the site has been under some major stress lately. There are a few that support LTC and RPL trading, which means BTC can easily serve as a median coin. You will lose a tiny bit to trading fees (usually less than 1%), but it's not a huge deal.

Better to buy on GDAX than Coinbase. Lower fees (or no fees if you make the buy offer and someone takes it).

Thank you! I really appreciate it. I'm gonna give this a go.
 
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VeryCharBroiled

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Get a hardware wallet like the ledger nano s. I stopped syncing completely once I got that since there is no need for it.

this. get a trezor or ledger nano s. they both support eth and erc20 tokens. havent looked back since. syncing the eth blockchain is a mess with the current clients, at least for casual home use.

only disadvantage is currently you need to go through myetherwallet with the trezor/nano s for eth and tokens access. not sure if that will change in the future.
 

ElFenix

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this. get a trezor or ledger nano s. they both support eth and erc20 tokens. havent looked back since. syncing the eth blockchain is a mess with the current clients, at least for casual home use.

only disadvantage is currently you need to go through myetherwallet with the trezor/nano s for eth and tokens access. not sure if that will change in the future.

Currently out of stock. Order today and get prioritary shipping from March 20
prioritary? is that a britishism i'm not aware of?
 

VeryCharBroiled

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Can't you just use the chrome apps? That's what I do.

for eth and erc20 tokens? cant get mine to work with the stand alone apps. need to go to MEW with chrome. maybe im doing something wrong? i know there is a browser support setting in the nano, i just leave it to "yes" ill have to try setting it to no later and see what happens with the stand alone apps with eth.

for btc etc the stand alone apps work fine.

btw the ether wallet app is installed on the nano.
 

paperfist

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Don't kill me please for the nOOb question, but this stuff works like the old search for alien life projects, but instead you're using your GPU?

How does mining with your GPU add value to whoever your mining for?

Does anyone run one of these setups off a solar panel?
 

VeryCharBroiled

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How does mining with your GPU add value to whoever your mining for?

Does anyone run one of these setups off a solar panel?

you mine for yourself. the money (crypto concurrency rather) is yours to keep (if hoping the value to go up) or sell for fiat money immediately.

mining involves solving equations to find a constantly changing "magic number" that unlocks an amount of currency (thats the easiest way to explain it i suppose). since it typically takes trillions of calculations to find this number, people usually combine their rigs into pools and when that number is found by anyone in the pool, all the people in the pool share the reward.

you would need a decent solar setup to power a typical gpu miner, say a rig with 6 medium power gpus (say 6x GTX 1070s). call it 800 watts or so. add more gpus, more power and get more money. and heat to dissipate.

but you can always start small. if you have a gaming rig with a decent gpu, you can start now and get your feet wet for free, well except for the increased power bill but unless your power cost is crazy high you should make a bit of money from it. enough to get a feel for what its all about anyway.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Don't kill me please for the nOOb question, but this stuff works like the old search for alien life projects, but instead you're using your GPU?

How does mining with your GPU add value to whoever your mining for?

Does anyone run one of these setups off a solar panel?

To add to @VeryCharBoiled 's statement, I will point you to GridCoin:

https://www.gridcoin.us/

You may not make as much off GridCoin as you will something like ETH or XMR, but if you are concerned with HOW your GPU computing power is used, then GridCoin is probably best for you.

Ethereum, Bitcoin, Monero, etc. mostly "throw away" your hashpower. They require less than 1% of available hash power to actually verify transactions. Thanks to the way Proof of Work functions, people keep adding more computational power to try to get more rewards, so it's an arms race. The vast majority of the hashing is a waste of time and energy. It only "adds value" by adding redundancy to the network as a whole, so that it's hardened against attack. Ideally, it also prevents centralization. Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash have centralized most of their hash power though, so PoW does not always work.
 

paperfist

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you mine for yourself. the money (crypto concurrency rather) is yours to keep (if hoping the value to go up) or sell for fiat money immediately.

mining involves solving equations to find a constantly changing "magic number" that unlocks an amount of currency (thats the easiest way to explain it i suppose). since it typically takes trillions of calculations to find this number, people usually combine their rigs into pools and when that number is found by anyone in the pool, all the people in the pool share the reward.

you would need a decent solar setup to power a typical gpu miner, say a rig with 6 medium power gpus (say 6x GTX 1070s). call it 800 watts or so. add more gpus, more power and get more money. and heat to dissipate.

but you can always start small. if you have a gaming rig with a decent gpu, you can start now and get your feet wet for free, well except for the increased power bill but unless your power cost is crazy high you should make a bit of money from it. enough to get a feel for what its all about anyway.

Thanks for the info.

Who sets the 'magic number'?

I did a little solar research after posting this and unless your local electricity is really high the initial cost of solar and the reoccurring costs of battery replacement negates it as a smart choice.

To add to @VeryCharBoiled 's statement, I will point you to GridCoin:

https://www.gridcoin.us/

You may not make as much off GridCoin as you will something like ETH or XMR, but if you are concerned with HOW your GPU computing power is used, then GridCoin is probably best for you.

Ethereum, Bitcoin, Monero, etc. mostly "throw away" your hashpower. They require less than 1% of available hash power to actually verify transactions. Thanks to the way Proof of Work functions, people keep adding more computational power to try to get more rewards, so it's an arms race. The vast majority of the hashing is a waste of time and energy. It only "adds value" by adding redundancy to the network as a whole, so that it's hardened against attack. Ideally, it also prevents centralization. Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash have centralized most of their hash power though, so PoW does not always work.

Thanks for the info and link.

lol it almost sounds like an MMO concept.
 

VeryCharBroiled

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Thanks for the info.
Who sets the 'magic number'?

the software itself, and it adjust it every couple weeks (actually 2016 blocks) to maintain around a 10 minute block time (ie 10 mins average to solve the equation no matter how much computing power is thrown at it). the calculations done need to come up with a value less than this number.

i suck at explaining things but this has the info:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty
 
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frowertr

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What's driving it right now? Hope it's not a bubble.

I think the entire crypto universe is in a bubble right now. At least Ethereum has all the alt tokens riding on its network going for it. Out of all the alt coins, I think Ethereum is probably the best to own. It's just too damn expensive for new guys to get into it at this stage.
 

Red Squirrel

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Been wanting to get into this. Before I build a dedicated rig I just ordered a GTX 1070 TI to test the waters with that I'll put in my gaming machine. That particular machine seems to hate Linux though, having so much trouble trying to get a Debian based distro to install and all the tutorials on how to setup the mining software are targeted at Debian (PPAs are for Debian, etc).

Might end up just building a dedicated rig after all if I can't get Linux to install on that machine. I'm thinking a 3U 6 card rig. Will design a case for it where the front is all fans and the cards sit in the front evenly spaced so they get good air flow with motherboard and PSUs on the back. If it works out I'll just build more. Will be a nice clean modular setup. Not a fan of the open air setups where everything is just dangling, just looks like crap.

The challenge with building big rigs like that will be actually obtaining video cards though. I will start with the one card for now and not get too ahead of myself. Hydro prices here are absurd so it may not be profitable, but I'll see.
 
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