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poofyhairguy

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Well, the point is that the way things are now, casual miners can still do okay with some fairly inexpensive hardware. 2Gb cards should last through December with the right environment variables and client settings. Difficulty is going to adjust along with price. As it stands, even small-timers with no more than 1-2 cards can mine out a few eth for fun and (minor) profit.

A bunch of mining hardware will come offline in December by necessity, which will force some of the small timers out mining with older hardware (Pitcairn etc).

I will take December. I can completely pay off that 370 by then.
 

MrTeal

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IntelUser2000

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Is that 290 worth it? If you search for R9 290 there are other Sapphire made ones and it seems that people have issues with it not working after a while. Anyone have experience with it?
 

poofyhairguy

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Is that 290 worth it? If you search for R9 290 there are other Sapphire made ones and it seems that people have issues with it not working after a while. Anyone have experience with it?

I have that exact card. Out of the box it does so-so mining -too much throttling- but once I replaced the thermal paste and forced the fan to run at 81% (which is you can hear it through a door loud mind you) it mines almost as well as my big bad 390x!

I think it is a great deal if you have dedicated space for mining that doesn't keep that noise in your ear. Just make sure you can test it within the return period. I initially bought two and one couldn't mine even at stock clocks to save its life.
 

DrMrLordX

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NewEgg still hasn't fixed their listing. They took the name "Tri-X" out but they are still listing Tri-X specs. Silly.

But they were very nice about letting me return mine. They gave me a shipping label at no charge due to their delivery of an item that did not match what was on the printed order manifest. So I can't complain too much.

I have two reference Sapphires that have both failed me in some respect, though in all fairness to one, it was missing a cap (or I broke it off somehow, not really sure). Replacing TIM brought temps down a lot, but my other one - the one that works - started leaking current like mad for whatever weird reason. I have an XFX reference 290 that followed suit.
 

DrMrLordX

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A warning to all you Linux users out there: if you're using ethminer (not Genoil, Claymore, or anything else) then beware the snapshot builds from the ethereum-dev ppa! The last two builds (starting ~24 hours ago? Maybe?) have caused my Linux rigs to fail to find any shares regardless of how hard they mine. I switched to Genoil's fork of ethminer to avoid the problem, though I'm sure deselecting the ethereum-dev ppa and downgrading to an older stable build could solve the problem.

Mind you this is with Lubuntu 15.10. Not sure if the ppa is feeding the same snapshot builds to 14.04.
 

MrTeal

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Well, on Friday there were 133 of those refurb R9 290's on the Newegg website, and they're all gone now. I did end up pulling the trigger on another four of the 290's on the .ca website. At CDN$229 they were an even better deal as the exchange works out to $178, I ended up paying $244 (US$190) once shipping and tax were factored in. Nice to see the Canadian site finally get a better deal than the US one. Love being able to pay with BTC on Newegg's site as well.
 

RussianSensation

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Well, on Friday there were 133 of those refurb R9 290's on the Newegg website, and they're all gone now. I did end up pulling the trigger on another four of the 290's on the .ca website. At CDN$229 they were an even better deal as the exchange works out to $178, I ended up paying $244 (US$190) once shipping and tax were factored in. Nice to see the Canadian site finally get a better deal than the US one. Love being able to pay with BTC on Newegg's site as well.

These honestly look brand new. The fact that they are shown as coming with a new box made specifically for them, cables, CD with drivers could suggest this is just unsold stock new that's being sold at a huge discount.
 

MrTeal

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These honestly look brand new. The fact that they are shown as coming with a new box made specifically for them, cables, CD with drivers could suggest this is just unsold stock new that's being sold at a huge discount.

Could be, I'll let you know when I get them. The fourpack of the Tri-X's I got last week were obviously refurbs in brown boxes, but the quality of the cooler is just awesome. Even in high ambient temps (31C right now) the cards hanging on risers are only running at 57C for 1100MHz/31GH/s. We'll see how the reference cooler does in comparison.
 

Madpacket

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Well, on Friday there were 133 of those refurb R9 290's on the Newegg website, and they're all gone now. I did end up pulling the trigger on another four of the 290's on the .ca website. At CDN$229 they were an even better deal as the exchange works out to $178, I ended up paying $244 (US$190) once shipping and tax were factored in. Nice to see the Canadian site finally get a better deal than the US one. Love being able to pay with BTC on Newegg's site as well.


These honestly look brand new. The fact that they are shown as coming with a new box made specifically for them, cables, CD with drivers could suggest this is just unsold stock new that's being sold at a huge discount.


Man why did I come here today. I just ordered five of these lol.

Going to build a five card mining milk crate rig. Ref cards are the best for heat disposal and you can easily fit five cards in a crate due to the blower style fan. Already have new crates, mobo, cpu, ram, hdd and 7 quality PCIe risers. Will have to figure out somewhere creative to store it though, no space left.

Difficulty is climbing fast so gotta keep up. I was going to go full Fury Nano but at these prices but I couldn't resist. Even if Polaris end up being the best thing ever for mining there's no way they'll ROI as fast as these cards given the difficulty curve.

https://etherscan.io/charts/difficulty

I'll let you all know how well this rig works out. Five ether a day keeps my Bitcoin away
 
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RussianSensation

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Man why did I come here today. I just ordered five of these lol.

I'll let you all know how well this rig works out. Five ether a day keeps my Bitcoin away

:thumbsup: Let us know if they look brand new.

BTW, my first mining casualty in 8 years! Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.

Rig: i7 6700K (800mhz), + R9 295X2 (GPU 1 1018mhz, GPU 2 = 1060mhz). GPU temps never exceeded 74C on either + R9 390 (1100mhz). The power usage from Kill-a-Watt stayed at around 940W from the wall, which is well below spec (940W from the wall => 88.6% efficiency = 833W at the PSU level).

Initial symptoms:
- Completely random system shut-downs when mining.
- Then blue screen of death under windows:
"BSOD: A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor...."
- Then over 4 more days, system started to have complete instability and then wouldn't even boot into Windows at all

The next step was taking all the parts out 1 by 1 to start diagnosing the problem.

The R9 295X2 was being connected with (2+6-pin)x2 connectors. One of them melted completely, similar to this thread. Not my picture but a very similar issue.



Then found this thread. Then this one and this one.

I bought my SeaSonic 1000W Platinum in 2012.

26-02-2014

Originally Posted by Sea Sonic Rep View Post

"Hi All, my apologies for the late update, our HQ wanted to be certain of their test results prior to any posting.

Our QA team has tested a very large sample set of the cables which were delivered to our factory and found every unit to be within specification. Through testing by our QA team, they have found that if the inner diameter of the female pin on the PCIe cable connector is slightly larger than spec, so even though the connection is properly made, the high load of the high power VGAs will cause the connector to overheat. This is why we see this issue happen with the R280/290 & 7950, 70 & 90 cards.

We are now auditing our suppliers, this will take some time as we must check their process, QC, etc. The material usage is all correct so it can be something during protection that caused the issue, this is still to be confirmed.

In the meantime, we are preparing some extra PCIe cables from our factory, with extra testing for size compliance, and should be ready in 2 weeks +/-, so if anyone would like to have replacement cables, please contact us at: support@seasoniceu.com, regardless of your geographic location.

Please provide the following:
Full model number
Serial number
A copy of the purchase invoice
The type of VGA cards used
Full name & mailing address

Thank you."

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/c...166/your-seasonic-cables-melting-4589851.html

***WARNING*** Anyone with a SeaSonic made PSU prior to 2014 could be affected.

Luckily the SeaSonic PSU and the R9 295X2 seems to be working well, but one of the PCIe cables is fried completely. Will contact SeaSonic this week and let you guys know on what they say.
 
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reb0rn

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I have seasonic 750w KM3 same happened to me and 290x GPU, they shipped new cables but new only have ONE pci-e connector at the end
first i had 2x cables with 2x PCI-e, now 2x cables with one connector at the end
 

RussianSensation

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I have seasonic 750w KM3 same happened to me and 290x GPU, they shipped new cables but new only have ONE pci-e connector at the end
first i had 2x cables with 2x PCI-e, now 2x cables with one connector at the end

My unit's cables are 1x12-pin that splits into (6+2 = 8-pin) x 2. The 1000W unit came with 3 of those = the yellow ones below:



Update: Wow, SeaSonic customer service is incredible. Took 24 minutes from my e-mail to confirm that they will send me free PCIe cables. SeaSonic customer service FTW!
 
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n0x1ous

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My unit's cables are 1x12-pin that splits into (6+2 = 8-pin) x 2. The 1000W unit came with 3 of those = the yellow ones below:



Update: Wow, SeaSonic customer service is incredible. Took 24 minutes from my e-mail to confirm that they will send me free PCIe cables. SeaSonic customer service FTW!

Does this affect only Seasonic branded PSU or stuff they OEM for other brands too?
 

Madpacket

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:thumbsup: Let us know if they look brand new.

BTW, my first mining casualty in 8 years! Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.

Rig: i7 6700K (800mhz), + R9 295X2 (GPU 1 1018mhz, GPU 2 = 1060mhz). GPU temps never exceeded 74C on either + R9 390 (1100mhz). The power usage from Kill-a-Watt stayed at around 940W from the wall, which is well below spec (940W from the wall => 88.6% efficiency = 833W at the PSU level).

Initial symptoms:
- Completely random system shut-downs when mining.
- Then blue screen of death under windows:
"BSOD: A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor...."
- Then over 4 more days, system started to have complete instability and then wouldn't even boot into Windows at all

The next step was taking all the parts out 1 by 1 to start diagnosing the problem.

The R9 295X2 was being connected with (2+6-pin)x2 connectors. One of them melted completely, similar to this thread. Not my picture but a very similar issue.



Then found this thread. Then this one and this one.

I bought my SeaSonic 1000W Platinum in 2012.

26-02-2014

Originally Posted by Sea Sonic Rep View Post

"Hi All, my apologies for the late update, our HQ wanted to be certain of their test results prior to any posting.

Our QA team has tested a very large sample set of the cables which were delivered to our factory and found every unit to be within specification. Through testing by our QA team, they have found that if the inner diameter of the female pin on the PCIe cable connector is slightly larger than spec, so even though the connection is properly made, the high load of the high power VGAs will cause the connector to overheat. This is why we see this issue happen with the R280/290 & 7950, 70 & 90 cards.

We are now auditing our suppliers, this will take some time as we must check their process, QC, etc. The material usage is all correct so it can be something during protection that caused the issue, this is still to be confirmed.

In the meantime, we are preparing some extra PCIe cables from our factory, with extra testing for size compliance, and should be ready in 2 weeks +/-, so if anyone would like to have replacement cables, please contact us at: support@seasoniceu.com, regardless of your geographic location.

Please provide the following:
Full model number
Serial number
A copy of the purchase invoice
The type of VGA cards used
Full name & mailing address

Thank you."

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/c...166/your-seasonic-cables-melting-4589851.html

***WARNING*** Anyone with a SeaSonic made PSU prior to 2014 could be affected.

Luckily the SeaSonic PSU and the R9 295X2 seems to be working well, but one of the PCIe cables is fried completely. Will contact SeaSonic this week and let you guys know on what they say.

Eeek! Thanks for sharing. Does that poewer supply have multiple +12 volt rails or just a single one?

I have a newer EVGA 1050GS I'm using to mine 4xPowerColor 390's with Claymore and it's pulling 1KW from the wall. It's a SeaSonic Gold rebrand but uses a single +12 volt rail (87 amps). Been running well for a few months now but your post has me a little worried!

To be honest the Superflower Leadex power supplies have been the most solid for my miners overall. I recommend the 1KW Platinum EVGA, 1200W Platinum EVGA or the 1350W EVGA G2.

Only issue is they support a maximum of 4 290/390's per miner without using adapters but that's about as far as you want to push a 1KW Platinum Leadex unit. The 1200/1350G2 can easily handle five cards with proper undervolting and cooling, just need to use adapters for that last card, something I'll need to figure out when the 290's arrive.
 
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n0x1ous

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To be honest the Superflower Leadex power supplies have been the most solid for my miners overall. I recommend the 1KW Platinum EVGA, 1200W Platinum EVGA or the 1350W EVGA G2.

:thumbsup: Just picked up an EVGA 1300 G2 for my 290+7970+Fury X Miner
 

IntelUser2000

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Don't you need an overclock to get the 290's to 30MH/s? The default on the 290 seems to be 25MH/s.

Honestly, not much of an improvement considering the price difference. 30MH/s on the other hand is different. Then again, I paid $160 for the R9 280X on Craigslist. I can't say $270 after tax and shipping is that cheap.
 

RussianSensation

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:thumbsup: Just picked up an EVGA 1300 G2 for my 290+7970+Fury X Miner

It seems as soon as you overload the 8-pin connector, I think there is risk involved if the cable itself has a fault tolerance. Even if it's at spec, it seems long-term there is still some risk involved. I am not an electrician or a PSU engineer so please feel free to correct me. In my case because the R9 295X2 is using 500W of power, each of the 8-pin PCIe cables is outside of spec. The EVGA 1200W P2 has integral capacitor at end of PCIe cables.

"Quick background: These miners have been running fine since December, and these cables themselves have been in use for over 1 year without any issue."




https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774922.0

OR

"The PSU is a Seasonic X-1050 and mobo is an MSI 790FX-GD70

I was running 3x 5870's which were mining until yesterday, when I smelled burning. This has happened before and I'm on my second X-1050 (got my RMA two days ago). The 12v connector to the mobo just melted. This is the third time this has happened. The first time, the 12v wire burned out and they sent me a replacement cable. I should also note that the modular connection on the PSU itself also got partially melted. The second time, I got sent an RMA PSU and another replacement cable. Now this is the third occurrence."




https://hardforum.com/threads/24-pin-on-seasonic-psu-msi-790fx-mobo-melted.1758618/

The good thing is that SeaSonic and EVGA have 7/10 year warranties and are both top notch firms.

What we need is this:

"XIGMATEK showed off an interesting innovation for those pyrophobics among you. The company innovated fire-proof PSU cables that, in practice, minimize the chance of an overloaded cable heating up enough to melt the cable-insulation, shorting up, and starting a fire. If the insulation can stand fire from a lighter, it can withstand a heated cable. Most modern PSUs do feature overload protection that turns the PSU off in case a cable is overloaded."

http://www.techpowerup.com/223212/xigmatek-shows-off-fire-proof-psu-cables

Eeek! Thanks for sharing. Does that poewer supply have multiple +12 volt rails or just a single one?

Single. 83A on 12V.



3x 12 pin => Splits into 3 Pairs of 2x (6+2 = 8-pin) PCIe cables



I recommend the 1KW Platinum EVGA, 1200W Platinum EVGA or the 1350W EVGA G2.

Ya, I also picked up the EVGA 1000W P2. 10 year warranty and amazing scores at Johnny Guru seal that deal. It seems like a perfect fit for 6 RX480 cards.

The cables line-up perfectly too.

6x (6+2) PCIe cables, one per RX480 card.





Don't you need an overclock to get the 290's to 30MH/s? The default on the 290 seems to be 25MH/s.

To get 30-31MH/sec, I need to run my 390 @ 1100-1150mhz.

Honestly, not much of an improvement considering the price difference. 30MH/s on the other hand is different. Then again, I paid $160 for the R9 280X on Craigslist. I can't say $270 after tax and shipping is that cheap.

$270 sounds like it's in Canadian dollars after taxes and shipping. My 7970 is a dog for some reason. I cannot figure it out but even at 1125mhz it can only do 14-15MH/sec. Not sure what the issue is, maybe my flags.

The decision between 6x 480s vs. 4x 390 seems tricky. If a 480 mines 20MH/sec, over 6 months at my electricity rates, each RX 480 will save almost $50 USD over an R9 390. The total throughput between 6x 20MH/sec 480s and 4x 30MH/sec 390s is roughly the same. Power usage will also be very similar. That means if $200-210 480 4GB is anywhere close to 24-25MH/sec, it's a better deal than a 390. The issue is with its 256GB/sec 256-bit bus and most likely a requirement to use new drivers, it could fail miserably against a 390.
 
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MrTeal

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Melting PSU cables isn't that uncommon, I've done a few myself and replaced a couple of the jacks on the Bitcoin miners I build and sold. High temps increases the oxidization rate, and if you have one pin that has bad contact or arcs it doesn't take long before that one fails, which causes the other ones to carry more and progressively fail. I have an EVGA one with some singed ends, and a Fractal Newton 1000W that melted both ends. I just lobbed off the old ends and replaced them.

Obviously a limited data set and a personal anecdote, but the 16ga cables I soldered onto server power supplies have never had a problem even pulling 300W from a single 6pin plug in elevated ambient temperatures.
 

PhonakV30

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allright , I use "www.minergate.com" and only Bytecoin , So Here my test

By using "Claymore CryptoNote GPU Miner v9.3 Beta - POOL"

GPU : AMD HD5770 = max 190h/s
CPU : Phenom II 925 at 2800Mhz = max 63 h /s

Driver : Catalyst 15.11
Windows 10 build 1511
 

IntelUser2000

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To get 30-31MH/sec, I need to run my 390 @ 1100-1150mhz.

I figured.

$270 sounds like it's in Canadian dollars after taxes and shipping.

Yea I live in BC.

The issue is with its 256GB/sec 256-bit bus and most likely a requirement to use new drivers, it could fail miserably against a 390.

I think the impact with bus width is not well known. Also for my 280X I went from 15.12 to 16.xx drivers because they are stable when undervolting. The hash rates are practically identical. I tried 15.7, no difference.

Also enabling decred(even extremely low rates) boosts my ethereum output a bit. 19.93 to 20.3. Dcri 4 on Claymore miner increases power by 4W and get 20.3MH/s Ethereum + 40MH/s Decred.

Strange thing. Power use increases but Ethereum hash rates are not affected when I put dcri to 50. I am staying away from going full into decred because I couldn't figure out how to get wallet working, but when(if) I do dcri 50 will be worth it.

I wonder if my 280X is limited somewhere. I wish that's true so I can maybe put out 22MH/s or something.
 
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Madpacket

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Don't you need an overclock to get the 290's to 30MH/s? The default on the 290 seems to be 25MH/s.

Honestly, not much of an improvement considering the price difference. 30MH/s on the other hand is different. Then again, I paid $160 for the R9 280X on Craigslist. I can't say $270 after tax and shipping is that cheap.

290's and 390's mine at the same speeds clock per clock since they're the same (minus a few watts for less RAM).
 

MrTeal

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The issue is with its 256GB/sec 256-bit bus and most likely a requirement to use new drivers, it could fail miserably against a 390.
I think the impact with bus width is not well known. Also for my 280X I went from 15.12 to 16.xx drivers because they are stable when undervolting. The hash rates are practically identical. I tried 15.7, no difference.

I don't think it's quite as simple as bus width. I have a single machine running the following cards under 15.12 and Claymore
7990 (GCN 1.0) - 1000MHz/2048 SP (4.10TFLOPS), 384-bit/1500MHz (288 GB/s), ~19.5MH/s (x2)
7950 (GCN 1.0) - 1000MHz/1792 SP (3.58TFLOPS), 384-bit/1250MHz (240 GB/s), ~17.5MH/s
380 (GCN 1.2) - 1100MHz/ 1792 SP (3.94TFLOPS), 256-bit/1375MHz (176 GB/s), ~19.5MH/s
290 (GCN 1.1) - 1100MHz/ 2560SP (5.63TFLOPS), 512-bit/1300MHz (333GB/s), ~31MH/s

The Tahiti based cards have a massive bandwidth and bus width advantage over Tonga, but there really isn't a big difference in hashrate per flop within the margin of error for those two. The only real outlier is the 290, which is about 15% higher. The 7990 gets 4.75MH/s per TFLOP, the 7950 gets 4.88, the 380 gets 4.95 and the 290 gets 5.5.

My laptop has the especially gimped Oland GPU with 2GB of GDDR5, I wonder if I could get it mining and see what it does with a 128-bit bus.
 
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