Ethereum GPU mining?

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lilltesaito

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Watch your VRM temps, and also consider bringing clocks down to 900 MHz where I find it's possible to bring power output to a mere ~150W depending on the card. My MSI 390 can almost go below that (though it varies with the mining software). If things are getting hot, that may be a suitable compromise.

I open the door to that room, now it isnt as bad for the heat. Both GPU are only hit around 83-84C and fans are at 57%.
 

DrMrLordX

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84C? Yow, I get nervous when I let mine sit about 77C. I've already had two reference 290s go rogue on me. They leak current like mad if I let them. My MSI 390 also had that problem though it is now behaving itself (mostly).
 

IntelUser2000

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It's quite likely that it won't stay profitable for a long time at this rate. Sad day for Ethereum. We'll be lucky to stay at $12-13.

The big flaw was that trusting any code would be infallible.

It's like that hacker was waiting to reach $20.
 

Erithan13

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Last night I was up late watching the price edge above $21, then when I check this morning we're back to $14, I was wondering if I'd just fallen asleep at the PC last night and imagined it

Nearly at $17 now though so things look to be getting back on track. Polaris can't come soon enough.
 

codyray10

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Also this should go without saying but please please please backup your encrypted and strongly password protected wallet file. Keep a copy of it at home and one with a trusted friend or family.

When you get the hang of this and if you buy / generate a decent sum of Ether you'll want to create and store it in a muliti signature contract wallet for the best protection. Don't worry about it for now, just flag it for later

Will do, thanks! I was able to dig into this some more last night. I think I am mining now.. https://app.box.com/s/u1zihxkbakud5rafp0ny1g629saaan0c. When I go to ethermine and input my wallet link, the page loads up but there is no info present (hashrate etc.). Is this normal? It's been running about 8 hours now.
 

DrMrLordX

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I'm not worried about the exchange rate of eth currently. You can't actually carry out transactions with it yet, so what is the point? I say let it crash so difficulty goes down. I want to mine out as much as I can before PoS starts . . .
 

EightySix Four

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A soft fork is incoming to essentially "lock" the ether into the thieves account so it can't be withdrawn while people figure out what to do. Seems against the spirit of the whole thing to me personally, but we'll see. As a non-DAO investor but Ethereum holder, there is more value for me if they lock it in and never recover it, so maybe I'll go with the soft fork and never "mine vote" for the hard one that will happen later to reverse the transaction.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/06/17/critical-update-re-dao-vulnerability/

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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MrTeal

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A soft fork is incoming to essentially "lock" the ether into the thieves account so it can't be withdrawn while people figure out what to do. Seems against the spirit of the whole thing to me personally, but we'll see. As a non-DAO investor but Ethereum holder, there is more value for me if they lock it in and never recover it, so maybe I'll go with the soft fork and never "mine vote" for the hard one that will happen later to reverse the transaction.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/06/17/critical-update-re-dao-vulnerability/

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Yeah, other than the obvious price issues with that much eth being dumped, this doesn't seem like an issue that should require an Eth hard fork. The problem isn't with Ethereum itself as far as I understand it; it's with the coding of the DAO. While it's an unfortunate growing pain and a rather disturbing proportion of the total Ether supply, it's not wildly different than the  250kBTC Bitcoin Savings and Trust collapse or the 850kBTC Mt Gox collapse.
 

Madpacket

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Will do, thanks! I was able to dig into this some more last night. I think I am mining now.. https://app.box.com/s/u1zihxkbakud5rafp0ny1g629saaan0c. When I go to ethermine and input my wallet link, the page loads up but there is no info present (hashrate etc.). Is this normal? It's been running about 8 hours now.

I'm not familiar with Monero pool? It doesn't appear your mining at ethermine so that's why you're not seeing any stats. You need to copy / paste your mining address to the pool your hashing at to see how the card is performing. Also if I'm reading correctly those hash rates look very low. What are mining on again?
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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A soft fork is incoming to essentially "lock" the ether into the thieves account so it can't be withdrawn while people figure out what to do. Seems against the spirit of the whole thing to me personally, but we'll see. As a non-DAO investor but Ethereum holder, there is more value for me if they lock it in and never recover it, so maybe I'll go with the soft fork and never "mine vote" for the hard one that will happen later to reverse the transaction.

Honestly I see it all as a good thing long term. Ethereum price is falling but I don't think it will end up lower than before the DAO started (around $9), which shows a great stability for Ethereum. It has proven that the team behind the Ethereum project is responsive but community oriented, which is a lot of the problem with bitcoin's structure right now. Also I think this will slow the roll for the switch to POS until everything is tested to the Nth degree to avoid another code issue like this situation but on a larger scale. Finally it showed that some of the Slock.it people are jackasses that never should have gotten so much support to begin with. I am happy to lose a chunk (or all) of what I invested in the The DAO as part of that lesson. It was an experiment and it failed, move on.
 

DrMrLordX

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Apr 27, 2000
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As a holder of eth but not a DAO investor, I can't be buggered to care about it that much. In the long run, a fairly large chunk of eth is going "offline" (read: becoming unrecoverable) which reduces currency supply, increasing the real-world value of my holdings. So hey, cool!

Downside is it's spooking people that either don't understand what's going on or are just too irrational to think for themselves, so they're dumping stake. Too bad.
 

Madpacket

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What a messy day! My thoughts on the current situation.

Full disclosure I own both Ether and DAO tokens (however much more Ether than DAO tokens).

The DAO woke people up to the potential of Ethereum and was likely the catalyst that helped get it to where it is today. Being the most successful kickstarter ever had a very positive effect on Ethereum. The soft and eventual hard fork I understand and respect the reasoning behind. A lot of money was invested by many thousands of individuals and it could be argued that even without The Dao getting off the ground, it's what really set Ethereum in motion.

Giving back stolen funds to these early investors makes sense as they took the risk and helped with the popularity and growth of Ethereum as a whole.

People are freaked out about the ability to even do a fork or even at the suggestion of the idea of a fork. If you look back at Bitcoin's history hard forks happened when mistakes are made, I believe it's built into all PoW type systems. Of course this hard fork is for a much more serious reason than Bitcoin's. NXT coin went through something similar (I need to do more research here) but it looks like they ignored doing a hard fork and the community split and never recovered.

What bothers me is I don't like seeing is the lack of trust in the leaders of this space. It's a logical fallacy to conclude that "if they make this one exception of giving back money that was stolen due to a code error, what sort of <potentially evil deed> will do they do the next time?" This is nonsense. Look at the track records and transparency of the leaders of Ethereum, there's nothing to suggest they will do <something evil> in the future.

Also consensus is still being sought before any action takes places. The leaders are suggesting a route but ultimately it's up to everyone who's invested in Ethereum to decide. It's a pretty big stretch to say this is centralization by the higher ups making rash decisions when they're asking the community to decide.

I could understand the resistance if The DAO was introduced recently for Bitcoin given how mature the Bitcoin platform is but Ethereum is still in its infancy, it's still being (feverishly and tirelessly) worked on as the go to platform to build and run your ideas and applications on.

The ideal platform.

The leaders in the space have been very transparent about the strengths and weaknesses of Ethereum. The creators of The DAO have as well. This particular contract code blunder is a perfect example of "working out the bugs" while an application matures. This flaw was only recently discovered and disclosed (irresponsibly disclosed from the looks of it) but given the utility of Ethereum compared to other crypto platforms it makes sense there will be more risk and vulnerabilities to deal with as Ethereum simply does a lot more. There will also potentially be even larger problems down the road given the feverish development pace and goals set.

The analogy of bailout being made is strange to me as well. There's no bailout being proposed as no funds have actually been transferred! This thief can be stopped with code ahead of time! This isn't a situation where the housing bubble burst due to a bunch of lying banksters selling defunct subprime mortgages masked as AAA. There's really no comparison here. So the fear of "precedent being set" by the leaders making future unwise decisions holds no weight. I'm not suggesting this can't happen but it's very unlikely to. Plus they're giving us the option to choose, they're not dictating the path. Think about that for a moment. The FUD that is being spread is really unfounded.

So in conclusion I don't think a hard fork would put the future of Ethereum at risk. I believe if we don't do our best to ensure the stolen funds don't end up in the theifs wallet, more confidence will be lost by these same investors and will likely lead to a bunch of risk averse people not investing in new ideas for the Ethereum platform stagnating the platform.
 
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poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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Downside is it's spooking people that either don't understand what's going on or are just too irrational to think for themselves, so they're dumping stake. Too bad.

Honestly if it makes people hold off of plans for mining purchases that is good for us as it might slow down the difficulty rise. For some reason I had urging to convert the pile of ETH I mined this month into BTC last night, I thought BTC would rally today and I wanted a piece of it. I was wrong about that, but my timing for being wrong was pretty good.

Back to mining:

Does anyone know what the trick is to get Ubuntu to use a card on a USB3-style riser for mining? I want to add two cards to one of my mining rigs (I am kinda in love with my 370, I want more), but the only way I can get the riser to work is in Windows (where it is plug and play). When I try it in Linux it only mines on the card actually in the 16x slot. I don't want to buy more copies of Windows but I might (or maybe just run an unactivated version for as long as I can!).

Another question for the group- what do you do about GPU fan degradation? My 390X fans are rattling like crazy, and the fans on both my Tahitis are toast. Looking on ebay I can find replacement fans for the Tahitis for like $30, but I don't want to put those on and have them be toast again in three months.

I am thinking about taking all the fans and shrouds off all my cards (except the ref 290) and just zip tying some 90 mm fans on.
 

MrTeal

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Dec 7, 2003
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What a messy day! My thoughts on the current situation.

Full disclosure I own both Ether and DAO tokens (however much more Ether than DAO tokens).

The DAO woke people up to the potential of Ethereum and was likely the catalyst that helped get it to where it is today. Being the most successful kickstarter ever had a very positive effect on Ethereum. The soft and eventual hard fork I understand and respect the reasoning behind. A lot of money was invested by many thousands of individuals and it could be argued that even without The Dao getting off the ground, it's what really set Ethereum in motion.

Giving back stolen funds to these early investors makes sense as they took the risk and helped with the popularity and growth of Ethereum as a whole.

People are freaked out about the ability to even do a fork or even at the suggestion of the idea of a fork. If you look back at Bitcoin's history hard forks happened when mistakes are made, I believe it's built into all PoW type systems. Of course this hard fork is for a much more serious reason than Bitcoin's. NXT coin went through something similar (I need to do more research here) but it looks like they ignored doing a hard fork and the community split and never recovered.

What bothers me is I don't like seeing is the lack of trust in the leaders of this space. It's a logical fallacy to conclude that "if they make this one exception of giving back money that was stolen due to a code error, what sort of <potentially evil deed> will do they do the next time?" This is nonsense. Look at the track records and transparency of the leaders of Ethereum, there's nothing to suggest they will do <something evil> in the future.

Also consensus is still being sought before any action takes places. The leaders are suggesting a route but ultimately it's up to everyone who's invested in Ethereum to decide. It's a pretty big stretch to say this is centralization by the higher ups making rash decisions when they're asking the community to decide.

I could understand the resistance if The DAO was introduced recently for Bitcoin given how mature the Bitcoin platform is but Ethereum is still in its infancy, it's still being (feverishly and tirelessly) worked on as the go to platform to build and run your ideas and applications on.

The ideal platform.

The leaders in the space have been very transparent about the strengths and weaknesses of Ethereum. The creators of The DAO have as well. This particular contract code blunder is a perfect example of "working out the bugs" while an application matures. This flaw was only recently discovered and disclosed (irresponsibly disclosed from the looks of it) but given the utility of Ethereum compared to other crypto platforms it makes sense there will be more risk and vulnerabilities to deal with as Ethereum simply does a lot more. There will also potentially be even larger problems down the road given the feverish development pace and goals set.

The analogy of bailout being made is strange to me as well. There's no bailout being proposed as no funds have actually been transferred! This thief can be stopped with code ahead of time! This isn't a situation where the housing bubble burst due to a bunch of lying banksters selling defunct subprime mortgages masked as AAA. There's really no comparison here. So the fear of "precedent being set" by the leaders making future unwise decisions holds no weight. I'm not suggesting this can't happen but it's very unlikely to. Plus they're giving us the option to choose, they're not dictating the path. Think about that for a moment. The FUD that is being spread is really unfounded.

So in conclusion I don't think a hard fork would put the future of Ethereum at risk. I believe if we don't do our best to ensure the stolen funds don't end up in the theifs wallet, more confidence will be lost by these same investors and will likely lead to a bunch of risk averse people not investing in new ideas for the Ethereum platform stagnating the platform.

I'll plead a bit of ignorance here, but my recollection is that the DAO launched quite a bit after the big rise in Eth value. IIRC from you posts it launched end of April and Eth had already crossed 0.02BTC at the start of March and reached it ATH in mid-March at 0.035. The price has of Eth has actually been reasonably stable relative to BTC in the last few months, the primary driver on the massive appreciation of all the alt coins lately has been that after sitting around $400 for pretty much all of 2016 BTC decided to almost double in value the last 3 weeks.

I don't think the hardforks early on in Bitcoin's life are directly comparable to this situation. In those cases, hard forks were needed to address fundamental problems with Bitcoin itself. Here, the problem (as I understand it) isn't with Ethereum, it is with the DAO. Changes could be made to the DAO codebase that would solve this problem going forward without any changes to Ethereum itself, the reason the soft (and possible hard) fork is happening is just to limit the damage caused by the vulnerability in DAO code.

If this is the case, it does seem to resemble the bank bailout in some ways. For someone that if holding Ether but that didn't buy into the DAO for whatever reason, changes are coming in order to make whole a private group that through their own fault lost a significant amount of money. It does set a difficult and dangerous precedent that the controlling developers of Ethereum will have to grapple with in the future.


On a more positive note, the newegg.ca refurbs are back down to $229, and the NE staff was kind enough to give me a $20/pc refund on the ones I bought yesterday.
 

MrTeal

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Honestly if it makes people hold off of plans for mining purchases that is good for us as it might slow down the difficulty rise. For some reason I had urging to convert the pile of ETH I mined this month into BTC last night, I thought BTC would rally today and I wanted a piece of it. I was wrong about that, but my timing for being wrong was pretty good.

Back to mining:

Does anyone know what the trick is to get Ubuntu to use a card on a USB3-style riser for mining? I want to add two cards to one of my mining rigs (I am kinda in love with my 370, I want more), but the only way I can get the riser to work is in Windows (where it is plug and play). When I try it in Linux it only mines on the card actually in the 16x slot. I don't want to buy more copies of Windows but I might (or maybe just run an unactivated version for as long as I can!).

Another question for the group- what do you do about GPU fan degradation? My 390X fans are rattling like crazy, and the fans on both my Tahitis are toast. Looking on ebay I can find replacement fans for the Tahitis for like $30, but I don't want to put those on and have them be toast again in three months.

I am thinking about taking all the fans and shrouds off all my cards (except the ref 290) and just zip tying some 90 mm fans on.

Are you talking about ones like this?

If so, the USB3 is just a signal cable they use, there's nothing specific to them vs a standard riser that would cause Linux vs Windows issues. Is your MB not detecting the cards right, and have you tried shorting the detection pins?
 

DrMrLordX

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Apr 27, 2000
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I have risers like the ones described by Mr. Teal. I find them easier to use in Linux than Windows. In Win10, I can not get them to work unless they are in 1x slots, but in Linux, I can put them in any ol' PCIe slot I like (except for the last 1x slot on my old Gigabyte 790X board, for some reason).

As for people dropping out of the mining game over what happened to the DAO . . . hey, if that happens, great. But when the currency dips, it usually means people are selling off their eth for cash or BTC.

I haven't had any card fans degrade yet. Lucky me? I try to keep them at 70-75% or lower anyway, if possible. Especially the reference blowers. Urgh.
 

codyray10

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I'm not familiar with Monero pool? It doesn't appear your mining at ethermine so that's why you're not seeing any stats. You need to copy / paste your mining address to the pool your hashing at to see how the card is performing. Also if I'm reading correctly those hash rates look very low. What are mining on again?

I figured out the pool issue. Needed to remove that pool from the config, it was there by default. Now, however, like you said my speeds are slow. ~20Mh/s. Im running an undervolted/underclocked reference MSI R9 290. One of the originals with the crappy memory too, I believe. Any tweaks you suggest?

Edit: Got it up to 25 MH/s tweaking OC and voltage settings.
 
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EightySix Four

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The DAO isn't worthless now, although a large chunk of its value was stolen. They are still deciding exactly how this will play out.
 

ZGR

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I'm trying to figure out if the thief who was behind this actually thought he could get away with it.
 
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