Ethereum GPU mining?

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metalliax

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I am mostly a lurker / seldom visit this thread anymore, however I do want to note that mining is a way to anonymously acquire ethereum (much more-so than markets) and it's much harder to trace records for taxes and what-not.
 

simas

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"Well its not a ton of money for someone running 1 card, but its still "free money" for letting your computer run."

got it, so like uber - buy a car (mining rig) to get "free money" which is actually not free at all.
wouldn't spending some time on your skills, certifications, training, network and instead contracting at orders of magnitude higher per hour be much more worthwhile ?? wouldn't the money to fund the rig become an afterthought if you can sell your experience/time >$100/hour ?

However, hobby aspect I understand (mine cost money so if someone found ones that break even, more power to them).
 

simas

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I am mostly a lurker / seldom visit this thread anymore, however I do want to note that mining is a way to anonymously acquire ethereum (much more-so than markets) and it's much harder to trace records for taxes and what-not.

got it, may be it make sense for others - again from a person in US perspective, WTF will I do with it? all transactions I have are actually in dollars - I am paid in dollars, I need dollars for my obligations, I spend dollars, I invest dollars, the crypto is as useful to me here as say indian rupies or middle eastern dinars. and if I need something not in dollars, it usually converts
 

[DHT]Osiris

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"Well its not a ton of money for someone running 1 card, but its still "free money" for letting your computer run."

got it, so like uber - buy a car (mining rig) to get "free money" which is actually not free at all.
wouldn't spending some time on your skills, certifications, training, network and instead contracting at orders of magnitude higher per hour be much more worthwhile ?? wouldn't the money to fund the rig become an afterthought if you can sell your experience/time >$100/hour ?

However, hobby aspect I understand (mine cost money so if someone found ones that break even, more power to them).
Well, keep in mind that if you've gotten a stable rig, it essentially sits there doing nothing but making money for $TIME. There's a monitoring aspect to it, moreso if you do manual mining of specific currencies vs using an 'autominer' like Nicehash, but it's not like this overt amount of time spent on it. Sure, sure, learning new marketable skills, training, whatever might be a better use of time, but I do that shit all day already, I'd rather have something a little more laid back to do when I got home.

Many people here already make more than that/hr, but it's still a fun hobby to have. To add to it, a few people have made a pretty substantial amount of money on it. If anyone got in to BTC or ETH heavily early, they'd be sitting on a goldmine right now.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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got it, may be it make sense for others - again from a person in US perspective, WTF will I do with it? all transactions I have are actually in dollars - I am paid in dollars, I need dollars for my obligations, I spend dollars, I invest dollars, the crypto is as useful to me here as say indian rupies or middle eastern dinars. and if I need something not in dollars, it usually converts
You sell the BTC/ETH/whatever for $ (or other fiats) on an exchange, like Coinbase (which makes it very easy).
 

n0x1ous

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got it, may be it make sense for others - again from a person in US perspective, WTF will I do with it? all transactions I have are actually in dollars - I am paid in dollars, I need dollars for my obligations, I spend dollars, I invest dollars, the crypto is as useful to me here as say indian rupies or middle eastern dinars. and if I need something not in dollars, it usually converts

the crypto coins can easily be converted to fiat currency from any country you wish. Not sure you are really getting this. Mining wouldnt stop anyone from investing in other skills or work. once its setup it doesnt need the user to do anything and just makes money. So the a person who mines doesn't actually do any "work" leaving them free to pursue any other things they may want while also making money.
 

simas

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Got, thank you all. Not my thing (nothing wrong with it just don't think it is worth the effort in the limited time we all have available, others may see it differently). I do wonder how soon taxing authorities (states, federal, etc) will catch up that if you 'make' something and 'sell' something they will want their cut of it for the 'gains' you have made.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Got, thank you all. Not my thing (nothing wrong with it just don't think it is worth the effort in the limited time we all have available, others may see it differently). I do wonder how soon taxing authorities (states, federal, etc) will catch up that if you 'make' something and 'sell' something they will want their cut of it for the 'gains' you have maid.
They're already 'caught up', you're required to file for capital gains on any cryptocurrency gains you make, as well as tax on buying/selling profits if you don't mine, but just play in the exchanges. This has been established for a few years now. Those that don't, do so at their own peril.
 

GoStumpy

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So forgive me for asking - what is the point for home user , at least in US ? A single day of ANY job would bring more than a month of 'mining'. A single hour of qualified labor (consulting, etc) would do the same. Am I missing something? Why would anyone bother with this (in US as example)?

I'm at work 9-10 hours a day making plenty of money, but my PC sits there idle all day... as do the 2 computers I built at work... in theory I could have all 3 of them mining while I do regular work as a hobby to just make a few extra bucks to spend on PC parts or whatever...

In no way would I be looking to replace income, just add some additional income for having my computer do stuff while I'm not using it!
 

GoStumpy

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Which leads me to wonder, is it worth spending ~$350 on a GPU to stick in an office PC to mine 24/7, if the computer is already there and running 24/7? GPU being the only cost, since my company would pay for the electricity (write off, lol)
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Which leads me to wonder, is it worth spending ~$350 on a GPU to stick in an office PC to mine 24/7, if the computer is already there and running 24/7? GPU being the only cost, since my company would pay for the electricity (write off, lol)
In theory, you could get hit by the IRS for earning personal income with business resources (electricity), I think. From a technical standpoint though, nothing is stopping you from doing that. You might not break even at this point however.
 

IEC

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You'd be lucky to earn $1/day with a GPU these days. And that's before power and cooling costs.
 
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GoStumpy

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Market volatility means in theory it could get better, or is it just a pretty straight-course headed in the toilet, until the next craze starts?

I am only considering it for my main PC because I bought a GTX1070 for gaming, and if I can make the card pay for itself within a year, that's awesome.

If I can run two more cards to pay for themselves in the same year, that's awesome as well, and something I would consider... not running out and buying cards, just something to think about.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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You'd be lucky to earn $1/day with a GPU these days. And that's before power and cooling costs.
Currently @ $18/day (minus a pittance of electricity) w/5x1080ti's, 1x1080, 1x960. Admittedly a lot lower than when I bought 'em, and a high bar to clear wrt cost of the rig, but it doesn't require divine intervention.
 

GoStumpy

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Would a 980TI be better than my 1070? I can pick one up locally used (but brand new in box "looking") for ~$300

(Keep in mind I do NEED another GPU for my second gaming PC, so again, cryptomining would just be a bonus to help me afford a higher end GPU than I would normally get)
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Wow just looked it up, like 20% slower and almost DOUBLE the wattage
Yep, old gen hardware (unless it's AMD, they get a pass for vram latency) is pretty much a non-starter unless you already own the hardware. Even with that, it's often not worth it unless your electricity is free (then you may as well mine on your phone).
 

GoStumpy

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Considering this Etherium mining just took off not too long ago, what are the chances that there will be another 'boom' coming in the near to nearish future? I would think pretty good, no?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Here you go, very efficient I'm told. Just not very fast and as a bonus you can use your phone as a hand warmer in winter:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.minergate.miner



The funniest thing is the amount of downloads this thing has... LoL...
Haha, yeah that'd prolly work if you had a solid battery, aren't expecting much, get free charging, and don't mind the idea of it getting exceptionally hot (and dying quickly).
 

DrMrLordX

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They're already 'caught up', you're required to file for capital gains on any cryptocurrency gains you make, as well as tax on buying/selling profits if you don't mine, but just play in the exchanges. This has been established for a few years now. Those that don't, do so at their own peril.

Sadly, at least through 2015, the IRS reported that only a few hundred people had actually reported any cap gains or income tax on bitcoin. Ugh.
 
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