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Moise Twala, former ANC member and chairman of the Returned Exiles' Coordinating Committee, told EIR ,

"It was only after learning from the Khmer Rouge . . . that they came back, and it was only then, in 1979, in January, that they sent us to go and erect that prison, the notorious Quatro [in Angola]. It means they went to learn." Upon their return, the ANC executive mandated the construction of prison camps in Angola, Tanzania, Zambia, and Uganda to hold members who questioned being sent to fight in Angola, Zimbabwe Rhodesia, or Mozambique. There, such "dissidents" were tortured and often killed.


Some 600 ANC members disappeared or were murdered South Africa, this from an MK force estimated at only around 6,000. The pro-ANC U.S. State Department reported in their 1990 annual human rights survey, 'Numerous, credible reports of torture and mistreatment by ANC security personnel of ANC defector-detainees at ANC refugee camps continued in 1990.

The Maoist influence on the ANC was also reflected in the ANC sponsored "people's courts" in the black townships, where youths were encouraged or even forced, to tum on their elders. As in Peru, where the Maoist Shining Path terrorists make everyone in a village cut! a piece of flesh from a
living victim these camps, while another 1,000 or so were killed in "liberation wars" outside.

It is such horrible things they did to members of the black community which they are hiding which is nobody wants to hear about. If gunman run into a church right before the democratic elections with assault rifles killing imigrants from russia and other countries. They were granted amnesty.

Why in 40 50 years did less people die than in one year in South Africa?

In African alone there are around 2000 ethnic groups in the 53 states. How many do one find in the US or Asia? All the wars is ethnic groups committing genocide. Ethnic groups are prone to violent conflicts with each other in clashes of values, so there is a trade-off between respecting diversity and sustaining peace;
 

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http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

You guys need to check your bigotry. Just because someone is bringing attention to whites being killed they are racist??

There is a problem in South Africa, just because there was apartheid there in the past does not give the blacks free reign to murder whites.

Does making the argument that the majority of people where better off under the old government of South Africa make you a racist?
 
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http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

You guys need to check your bigotry. Just because someone is bringing attention to whites being killed they are racist??

There is a problem in South Africa, just because there was apartheid there in the past does not give the blacks free reign to murder whites.

Exactly. There are a lot of people these days so loaded up with white guilt that even people raising legitimate concerns about genocide on whites are shouted down as racists. The slightest expression of pride or ethnic awareness by a white is treated likewise as racism.

I'd love a sneak peak at the cognitive dissonance problems triggered in their brains when the OP disclosed he is black. Probably blew a few neurons.
 

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http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

You guys need to check your bigotry. Just because someone is bringing attention to whites being killed they are racist??

There is a problem in South Africa, just because there was apartheid there in the past does not give the blacks free reign to murder whites.

Does making the argument that the majority of people where better off under the old government of South Africa make you a racist?

Hmm, but not too long ago, whites had free reign to murder blacks in South Africa.


So why the outrage when the oppression is reversed? I never said anyone was racist, but purposefully omitting the fact that South Africa has a history of oppression from both sides is careless.

Even more careless than the OP's attempts to pretend like the Apartheid was some happy time for blacks.



Hate begets more hate, I've never lived or been to South Africa, so I can't imagine I'd be too friendly with whites either. The Apartheid is fairly recent.
 
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Geosurface

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Hmm, but not too long ago, whites had free reign to murder blacks in South Africa.

Really? Free reign to murder blacks?

Not saying you're wrong, as I said earlier this is an area of history I could stand to learn a lot more about. Help me learn, give me a link or something on this.
 

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Because there's not enough Minorities on AT to see some of the BS that is allowed to be posted here.

But, the Mods won't hesitate to give you an infraction when it comes to something they are personally passionate about...like Anti-Gun Control.



To the OP

I am surprised that you would paint the Apartheid as a time that was still good for blacks in South Africa...as if your pictures, which you posted without reference, characterize the entire era of the Apartheid. I am sure, here in the states that many blacks did not directly feel the effects of Slavery and the Civil Rights era...but certainly, no one would use their experience to say that "this was not bad".

Why don't you show us some more photos from the Apartheid. Particularly photos of what REALLY was going on.

Sure



British concentration camp
 

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That is a prison would you believe it and that is Winnie Mandela in her younger years




White people had passes too
 

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Hmm, but not too long ago, whites had free reign to murder blacks in South Africa.


So why the outrage when the oppression is reversed? I never said anyone was racist, but purposefully omitting the fact that South Africa has a history of oppression from both sides is careless.

Even more careless than the OP's attempts to pretend like the Apartheid was some happy time for blacks.



Hate begets more hate, I've never lived or been to South Africa, so I can't imagine I'd be too friendly with whites either. The Apartheid is fairly recent.

Where did Whites murder blacks proof please cmon show me proof. I have shown you proof where is the murders?

In recent history, the political violence in KwaZulu-Natal can be largely explained in terms of the history of political rivalry between Inkatha, a Zulu cultural liberation movement which was founded in 1975, and the United Democratic Front (UDF), a broad anti-apartheid movement which was
founded in 1983 and which acted as the internal voice of the African National Congress (ANC) before it was unbanned in 1990.

The conflict in KwaZulu-Natal has three main dimensions: 1) a struggle to control territory; 2) a struggle for the possession of the ‘Zulu tradition’; and 3) profound constitutional disagreement.8 It can be characterised primarily as a conflict over political identity, in which a conflict based on political rivalry between the IFP and the ANC has become conflated with ethnic, tribal and other sub-national (regional) interests. I linked in my OP a wiki article to necklace killings. read it.
 
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You guys need to check your bigotry. Just because someone is bringing attention to whites being killed they are racist??

No, but his apologies for Apartheid are.

I don't see why people who (rightfully) criticize what's currently happening in SA feel the need to pretend that Apartheid was any less vile or evil than it was. The Apartheid regime's thuggery doesn't make what Zuma & company are doing any less wrong!
 

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Where did Whites murder blacks proof please cmon show me proof. I have shown you proof where is the murders?

So far, you've shown me proof that blacks played soccer, rode in cars, and posed for pictures during the Apartheid.

The Apartheid was a period of forced racial segregation in South Africa that was perpetrated by whites....

So please, share more of your Country's history with racial oppression and stop showing me some BS pictures of happy people. Like I said before, no doubt that those people existed, but that does not characterize the apartheid.



I'm starting to think you are just being dishonest with this thread if you aren't going to admit to some of the horrible truths about the Apartheid.

Do you think it was a good thing?
 

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Just because someone is bringing attention to whites being killed they are racist??
I've only perused the thread lightly but apparently some around here feel that no discussion of race is allowed to take place and would see such people posting about race banned outright.

Race is a huge issue and it's pathetic how most of society steps on egg shells over it, too scared to say anything at all.
 

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I've only perused the thread lightly but apparently some around here feel that no discussion of race is allowed to take place and would see such people posting about race banned outright.

Race is a huge issue and it's pathetic how most of society steps on egg shells over it, too scared to say anything at all.

Geo posts about race and Eugenics and all that stuff all the time. He isn't banned.

You guys talk about race here all the time, nobody has been banned.

Personally, I refuse to take part in such discussions because I am outnumbered here as a minority and anything I have to say in Defense always gets dismissed as being "biased and emotional".

If the discussions were fair, the many people wouldn't have a problem with it. Not too long ago, there was a thread where many AT posters were saying things like "Blacks are poor because they don't work and don't think its cool to get an education".

That's an example of some of the crap Race threads reduce themselves to.
 
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apparently some around here feel that no discussion of race is allowed to take place and would see such people posting about race banned outright.

Geo posts about race and Eugenics and all that stuff all the time. He isn't banned.

Are you having reading comprehension problems?

He is saying certain people want to ban anyone that discusses race, not that such people are currently being banned.

See for example: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2298058
 
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If the discussions were fair, the many people wouldn't have a problem with it. Not too long ago, there was a thread where many AT posters were saying things like "Blacks are poor because they don't work and don't think its cool to get an education".

My mom used to teach at a "racially diverse" school before and on one of the workshop days had a black man in that said essentially exactly that although I think it was put more as "black people don't value education".
 

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Race and eugenics aren't the same as racism.

Honestly it needs to be talked about more. Is the very strong statistical information we are getting caused by cultural or biological influences?

How should this effect for instance immigration policy? Judicial policy?

There is good reason to talk about these subjects.
 

Geosurface

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Geo posts about race and Eugenics and all that stuff all the time. He isn't banned.

I don't really talk about Eugenics at all. Have I addressed the topic like once, maybe twice, quite a while ago? Yea.

Do I bring it up ever? No.

Talking about evidence of genetic differences between groups isn't "Eugenics"
 

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I don't really talk about Eugenics at all. Have I addressed the topic like once, maybe twice, quite a while ago? Yea.

Do I bring it up ever? No.

Talking about evidence of genetic differences between groups isn't "Eugenics"

My bad, you do present it more as race-ism than Eugenics. :|


I still remember your comments in that Jordan Davis thread about 1) How you racially profile blacks and 2) Your comments on why Blacks are better suited for other things instead of getting an education.
 

Agent11

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Correct, eugenics in the past was implemented by sterilizing and euthanizing 'undesirables'.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone support it on the forums either, although it has been a topic of discussion a few times.
 

Geosurface

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Your comments on why Blacks are better suited for other things instead of getting an education.

Let's have the quote.

Me observing the indisputable fact that people of African descent have an advantage over others in sprinting ON AVERAGE in no way implies anything remotely like "so they aren't good at getting an education! lolz!"

Your constant attempts to reframe what I and others say into something more easily parodied, and dismissed... are disheartening to say the least.
 

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Let's have the quote.

Me observing the indisputable fact that people of African descent have an advantage over others in sprinting ON AVERAGE in no way implies anything remotely like "so they aren't good at getting an education! lolz!"

Your constant attempts to reframe what I and others say into something more easily parodied, and dismissed... are disheartening to say the least.

Geo, how many times have you posted about how we are less intelligent than everyone else and how perhaps, due to natural selection, the need for higher intelligence is not there?

I don't have to bother to quote you, because luckily, you say some of the same things over and over in your rants. Other people have observed this.


You always feel the need to contribute your "science" to practically every race thread that comes up on AT. You do this shit all the time.


Mod call out?

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Talking about evidence of genetic differences between groups isn't "Eugenics"

Oh man....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

Eugenics, the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization,[1] based on the idea that it is possible to distinguish between superior and inferior elements of society,[2] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II.[3]
Eugenics was practiced in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany[4] and actually, U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter.[5][6][7] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands
Most popular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and now generally associated with racist and nativist elements (as the movement was to some extent a reaction to a change in emigration from Europe) rather than scientific genetics, it was considered a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population.

With the passage of the Immigration Act of 1924, eugenicists for the first time played an important role in the Congressional debate as expert advisers on the threat of "inferior stock" from eastern and southern Europe.[38][verification needed] The new act, inspired by the eugenic belief in the racial superiority of "old stock" white Americans as members of the "Nordic race" (a form of white supremacy), strengthened the position of existing laws prohibiting race-mixing.[39] Eugenic considerations also lay behind the adoption of incest laws in much of the U.S. and were used to justify many anti-miscegenation laws



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany
 
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Agent11

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I don't think anyone is advocating sterilization or euthanasia.

Is it reasonable to paint any discussion concerning race as such?

And more importantly, what does it have to do with South Africa?
 
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