EU shows more common sense yet again -- All phones will require User replaceable batteries by 2027!

[Indus]

FFS first a common USB-C standard charger and now this..

Almost seems like that they care about people more than corporate profits.

EU Parliament approves new law to make batteries on phones easily replaceable once again

The EU Parliament has voted almost unanimously in favor of a regulation that could make phone batteries easily accessible and replaceable.

www.phonearena.com

So when is Apple going to make us invade the EU? Sometime this decade?

 

[Zorba]

Really this is a basic win for the environment too.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Now do expandable memory.

 

[WelshBloke]

FFS first a common USB-C standard charger and now this..

Almost seems like that they care about people more than corporate profits.

EU Parliament approves new law to make batteries on phones easily replaceable once again

The EU Parliament has voted almost unanimously in favor of a regulation that could make phone batteries easily accessible and replaceable.

www.phonearena.com

So when is Apple going to make us invade the EU? Sometime this decade?

Settled on a common enforced standard for all EV charging a while back as well!

EU is doing well on pushing standards.

Edit. I don't think that this will bring user swappable batteries back just that shouldn't actively make them harder to change than the design needs to be.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

When I was in wireless there was close to zero interest in replacement batteries. When I say zero my employees and I at most sold 10 batteries over 13 years.
People will say they want a changeable battery but they don’t. They want a hyper thin device that has a changeable battery that costs not a penny more than $20. This is not a reasonable expectation.
Admittedly the market has changed and people are willing to pay far more for devices, I just don’t think many people will buy batteries to keep an old device going.
However as stated above if the intent reduce unnecessary complexity to service the devices that’s a great thing.

 

[Fenixgoon]

When I was in wireless there was close to zero interest in replacement batteries. When I say zero my employees and I at most sold 10 batteries over 13 years.
People will say they want a changeable battery but they don’t. They want a hyper thin device that has a changeable battery that costs not a penny more than $20. This is not a reasonable expectation.
Admittedly the market has changed and people are willing to pay far more for devices, I just don’t think many people will buy batteries to keep an old device going.
However as stated above if the intent reduce unnecessary complexity to service the devices that’s a great thing.

Plenty of phones are still good from a performance standpoint, but a bad battery makes a phone unusable because it won't hold a charge for very long. User replacement batteries will extend the life of older phones

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Plenty of phones are still good from a performance standpoint, but a bad battery makes a phone unusable because it won't hold a charge for very long. User replacement batteries will extend the life of older phones

I completely agree, I do not agree people will buy and change the batteries.

 

[WelshBloke]

I completely agree, I do not agree people will buy and change the batteries.

I think that people will pay a phone guy to refurbish their phone though.

 

[MrSquished]

I think that people will pay a phone guy to refurbish their phone though.

agreed. If batteries were able to be changed at a reasonable price at local retail stores a lot of people would use that service.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

So when is Apple going to make us invade the EU? Sometime this decade?

-"And so anyway that's where the term 'apple republic' comes from"

 

[MtnMan]

Products for the American markets are designed for a single purpose, CORPORATE PROFITS, and nothing else.

Our food is another example, lace it with high-fructose corn syrup, for profit, as it's cheap.

Which would you think is better for you, and likely taste better?

 

[Zorba]

When I was in wireless there was close to zero interest in replacement batteries. When I say zero my employees and I at most sold 10 batteries over 13 years.
People will say they want a changeable battery but they don’t. They want a hyper thin device that has a changeable battery that costs not a penny more than $20. This is not a reasonable expectation.
Admittedly the market has changed and people are willing to pay far more for devices, I just don’t think many people will buy batteries to keep an old device going.
However as stated above if the intent reduce unnecessary complexity to service the devices that’s a great thing.

When was this? If it was at the beginning of smart phones you got drastically better phones coming out every year. Now my Pixel 3a is still great, even though it's 4 generations old.

Back in the brick phone days I replaced my batteries all the time. I'd buy them online, though.

 

[Zorba]

agreed. If batteries were able to be changed at a reasonable price at local retail stores a lot of people would use that service.

It'd also significantly boost the used phone market.

 

[Geven]

I also think that it might change the market in the 3rd world countries where people don't have that much money to buy new smartphones all the time. Replaceable batteries will make it easier for them to use their phones for way longer.
I like this law because it does not fight a vague "global warming" but really contributes to reducing pollution

 

[Pens1566]

New from Apple, $1000 batteries.

 

[thilanliyan]

Why does the EU hate capitalism so much...

 

[Amused]

Products for the American markets are designed for a single purpose, CORPORATE PROFITS, and nothing else.

Our food is another example, lace it with high-fructose corn syrup, for profit, as it's cheap.

Which would you think is better for you, and likely taste better?
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The US uses HFCS because of US sugar tariffs.

There are a LOT of BS myths surrounding HFCS. Cane sugar and HFCS are virtually identical molecularly (both are roughly 50% glucose and 50% fructose) and there is zero valid scientific evidence the body reacts differently to each.

In fact, the BS surrounding HFCS is a LOT like (hell, identical to) the BS surrounding vaccines, fear mongering over GMOs and the entire alt med grift.

Ten Myths About High-Fructose Corn Syrup

www.ift.org

 

[UNCjigga]

I think between like 2008-2018, there was a ton of innovation in smart phones, and with carrier subsidies there was no point to replacing a battery and sticking with an older phone.

Now it seems like the pace of innovation and speed increases has slowed, 6G phones are nowhere near commercialization in the next 5+ years, so replacement batteries may make more sense.

Now back in my old days at Verizon, we knew that 3G/4G radios deteriorated after a few years and would lose sensitivity. We used to joke that Qualcomm designed them this way on purpose. I don’t know if anything’s changed with 5G—I probably haven’t held onto a phone for more than 18 months—so maybe that’s still a factor.

 

[uclaLabrat]

The US uses HFCS because of US sugar tariffs.

There are a LOT of BS myths surrounding HFCS. Cane sugar and HFCS are virtually identical molecularly (both are roughly 50% glucose and 50% fructose) and there is zero valid scientific evidence the body reacts differently to each.

In fact, the BS surrounding HFCS is a LOT like (hell, identical to) the BS surrounding vaccines, fear mongering over GMOs and the entire alt med grift.

Ten Myths About High-Fructose Corn Syrup

www.ift.org

All good points, to which I would add that fructose tastes sweeter than either sucrose or glucose, so its theoretically possible to use less HFCS than sucrose. Not that they actually do.

And as you mentioned the first thing your body does to sucrose is crack it in half to fructose and glucose anyway (chemically identical to HFCS) using amylase in your saliva and the rest of your GI tract so the point is moot.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The US uses HFCS because of US sugar tariffs.

There are a LOT of BS myths surrounding HFCS. Cane sugar and HFCS are virtually identical molecularly (both are roughly 50% glucose and 50% fructose) and there is zero valid scientific evidence the body reacts differently to each.

In fact, the BS surrounding HFCS is a LOT like (hell, identical to) the BS surrounding vaccines, fear mongering over GMOs and the entire alt med grift.

Ten Myths About High-Fructose Corn Syrup

www.ift.org

-Not to derail, but the issue with HFCS is more to the point that it's put into things it has no business being in (like bread) because it's a cheap sweetener and businesses found out you can sell more stuff when it's a little sweet to the tooth.

I guess that issue got conflated with the standard "body purity" health myths that crop up with the "it's a temple" crowd.

Oh yeah and it's not like cane sugar is super healthy for you or anything, want to limit that intake as much as possible as well (relatively new addition to the human diet in the grand scheme of things).

 

[Meghan54]

Products for the American markets are designed for a single purpose, CORPORATE PROFITS, and nothing else.

Our food is another example, lace it with high-fructose corn syrup, for profit, as it's cheap.

Which would you think is better for you, and likely taste better?
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Dunno…what does the ingredient “sugar” encompass in England on a food ingredient list? Surely more than refined white sugar, eh? Maybe corn syrup or more?

 

[Amused]

-Not to derail, but the issue with HFCS is more to the point that it's put into things it has no business being in (like bread) because it's a cheap sweetener and businesses found out you can sell more stuff when it's a little sweet to the tooth.

I guess that issue got conflated with the standard "body purity" health myths that crop up with the "it's a temple" crowd.

Oh yeah and it's not like cane sugar is super healthy for you or anything, want to limit that intake as much as possible as well (relatively new addition to the human diet in the grand scheme of things).

Sugar was put into bread LONG before HFCS. Mostly to feed the yeast.

What Is The Reason For Sugar In bread? Is It Essential?

What Is The Point Of Sugar In bread? Sugar Makes Food Sweet Yet Alters Many More Factors In Bread. Discover The Impact Of Sugar In Bread.

www.busbysbakery.com

Like I said, the myths surrounding HFCS are identical to the anti-vax myths. They mislead, take irrelevant studies (specifically studies about 100% pure fructose) and present them as evidence of harm and cherry pick.

 

[Oyeve]

In all of my years in tech (nearly 40 years) and the dozens, if not hundreds, of laptops and cell phones from dumb one to feature ones to smart ones, I have replaced a battery like 5 times. One was a 2009 MBP battery that swelled up and one was a Note 4 battery, one was a battery for a Motorola razr and the rest were a couple of blackberries. And I didn't even use those devices after the battery replacements because they were all old/defunct when I swapped them. I just did it to sell off as "working". There really is no need for this. IMO.

 

[hal2kilo]

The US uses HFCS because of US sugar tariffs.

There are a LOT of BS myths surrounding HFCS. Cane sugar and HFCS are virtually identical molecularly (both are roughly 50% glucose and 50% fructose) and there is zero valid scientific evidence the body reacts differently to each.

In fact, the BS surrounding HFCS is a LOT like (hell, identical to) the BS surrounding vaccines, fear mongering over GMOs and the entire alt med grift.

Ten Myths About High-Fructose Corn Syrup

www.ift.org

It's all Fn sugar, and there's entirely too much sugar in the average diet.

 

[Paratus]

Probably the biggest issue with user replaceable batteries (assuming they aren’t requiring swappable batteries) is probably the IP dust and water proofing rating. It’s a lot easier to design a dust and water proof case if it will never be opened by the end user.

Otherwise you need to design in more expensive and complicated gaskets so it can be resealed and retain its rating.