EU shows more common sense yet again -- All phones will require User replaceable batteries by 2027!

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hal2kilo

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Products for the American markets are designed for a single purpose, CORPORATE PROFITS, and nothing else.

Our food is another example, lace it with high-fructose corn syrup, for profit, as it's cheap.

Which would you think is better for you, and likely taste better?
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Maybe it's that we have more exacting (detailed) reporting standards and some nomenclature differences. Substitute spirit vinegar with distilled (same) Onion powder and Natural flavoring with Herb Extracts Of course the gratuitous high fructose products are omnipresent in American products.
 

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When I was in wireless there was close to zero interest in replacement batteries. When I say zero my employees and I at most sold 10 batteries over 13 years.
People will say they want a changeable battery but they don’t. They want a hyper thin device that has a changeable battery that costs not a penny more than $20. This is not a reasonable expectation.
Admittedly the market has changed and people are willing to pay far more for devices, I just don’t think many people will buy batteries to keep an old device going.
However as stated above if the intent reduce unnecessary complexity to service the devices that’s a great thing.

10 years ago, sure. Phone tech was advancing so fast that a year was literally 2x better phone. Now...not so much. For a basic phone even my lowly Pixel 3a for work does a fine job and it's pushing 4 years old. My old personal Pixel 3 was even better and had to be replaced *because* of the battery. My daughter is still using the replacement device now. That thing is close to 5 years old now and still works fine.
 

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When I was in wireless there was close to zero interest in replacement batteries. When I say zero my employees and I at most sold 10 batteries over 13 years.
People will say they want a changeable battery but they don’t. They want a hyper thin device that has a changeable battery that costs not a penny more than $20. This is not a reasonable expectation.
Admittedly the market has changed and people are willing to pay far more for devices, I just don’t think many people will buy batteries to keep an old device going.
However as stated above if the intent reduce unnecessary complexity to service the devices that’s a great thing.

I had a couple batteries for my Note 4 that I kept on a charger, and I would just swap them out when it ran down. Also took them while traveling. Was nice not always being on the hunt for an outlet, or having to carry an external battery while it's charging.
 

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When I was in wireless there was close to zero interest in replacement batteries. When I say zero my employees and I at most sold 10 batteries over 13 years.
People will say they want a changeable battery but they don’t. They want a hyper thin device that has a changeable battery that costs not a penny more than $20. This is not a reasonable expectation.
Admittedly the market has changed and people are willing to pay far more for devices, I just don’t think many people will buy batteries to keep an old device going.
However as stated above if the intent reduce unnecessary complexity to service the devices that’s a great thing.
I don't know anyone who buys batteries from a wireless store. Don't they just order them online for way cheaper? I replaced my Pixel 3XL battery last year for $20 and it even includes a kit to help open up your phone.
 
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I don't know anyone who buys batteries from a wireless store. Don't they just order them online for way cheaper? I replaced my Pixel 3XL battery last year for $20 and it even includes a kit to help open up your phone.
Exactly my point
 

hal2kilo

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I had an LG Studio V2 that you could change the battery in, but that's not why it didn't seem to hold a charge, it had terrible power management and was basically obsolete when I changed it. Moved on.
 

Zorba

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In all of my years in tech (nearly 40 years) and the dozens, if not hundreds, of laptops and cell phones from dumb one to feature ones to smart ones, I have replaced a battery like 5 times. One was a 2009 MBP battery that swelled up and one was a Note 4 battery, one was a battery for a Motorola razr and the rest were a couple of blackberries. And I didn't even use those devices after the battery replacements because they were all old/defunct when I swapped them. I just did it to sell off as "working". There really is no need for this. IMO.
See the bolded part for why. I've replaced the battery in every laptop I've ever owned and in all of the non-smart phones and some of the smart ones too. Although in 30 years with laptops and cell phones, I could easily count the number I've had and its less than "dozens."
 

hal2kilo

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See the bolded part for why. I've replaced the battery in every laptop I've ever owned and in all of the non-smart phones and some of the smart ones too. Although in 30 years with laptops and cell phones, I could easily count the number I've had and its less than "dozens."
What? As I type this on my 15 year old Vostro 1700. 3rd battery, 2nd keyboard, 2nd or 3rd hard drive/SSD.
 

Amused

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My last few phones have been Samsung Notes and now the Samsung (Not a) Note S22Ultra.

I set it up to automatically turn off fast charging at night when I cradle it and go to bed and that has kept the batteries fresh as new for 3+ years each.

Fast charging is great when you really need it, but it kills batteries if you use it all the time.
 

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I think as others have mentioned replaceable batteries is a feature lots of people think they want but relatively few will actually use.

I personally don’t think they should mandate it because I think the end of removable batteries was a market effect.
 

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It certainly is good for the secondary market and for e-waste reduction. I applaud this move. A lot of us don't have the cash to plop down on flagship devices every few years once the battery life starts to fade. We use our devices for as long as possible. I've replaced the battery in two cell phones that I have had out of five total. My last phone replacement was because of battery life issues with a non-replaceable battery.

Same with laptops. I would love to replace the battery in my 2010 MBP and install Linux on it, but it wouldn't be nearly as easy as it was in my old 2005 iBook G4. So, it sits around uselessly as a backup machine just in case.
 

Zorba

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There are a lot of replacement batteries for sell on Amazon, even for uncommon phones, if there is no market for it.
 

fskimospy

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There are a lot of replacement batteries for sell on Amazon, even for uncommon phones, if there is no market for it.
I’m sure there is a market for them, I just don’t think that market is particularly big in the scheme of the overall smartphone market.

Plenty of phones used to have user replaceable batteries and some used to explicitly market on that. I think they weren’t that popular with customers.

If they work for you that’s great! I don’t think they should be mandated though.
 

Zorba

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I’m sure there is a market for them, I just don’t think that market is particularly big in the scheme of the overall smartphone market.

Plenty of phones used to have user replaceable batteries and some used to explicitly market on that. I think they weren’t that popular with customers.

If they work for you that’s great! I don’t think they should be mandated though.
I think something should be done to decrease the massive amount of waste caused by planned obsolescence.

I agree that replaceable batteries aren't enough of a seeking point to force manufacturers to offer it, but that's partly because cell phones are basically a triopoly.
 

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Products for the American markets are designed for a single purpose, CORPORATE PROFITS, and nothing else.

Our food is another example, lace it with high-fructose corn syrup, for profit, as it's cheap.

Which would you think is better for you, and likely taste better?
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This got me to look at our Heinz(Canada): Tomato paste(made from fresh ripe tomatoes), Liquid sugar, white vinegar, salt, onion powder, spices.
 
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This got me to look at our Heinz(Canada): Tomato paste(made from fresh ripe tomatoes), Liquid sugar, white vinegar, salt, onion powder, spices.
You can buy the same damn thing in the US, it’s the natural version or something. I buy it all the time. Low class noobs buy the cheap version.
Image isn’t really accurate, while the label is it’s simply because the premium version has a different name in the US.
 
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