Europeon Left vs. American Left

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Vic

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Not really. Both groups would love to have power to tell people what to do. It's something seen over and over. What surprises me is when people get power and then constrain it to improve individual freedoms.

If they would love to have the power to tell people what to do then they're not liberals. They might be what conservative media in America likes to call liberals, and what some people who aren't like to call themselves, but that doesn't make them so.
Liberalism is that philosophy embodied in the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. There's also your example of people who got power and then worked to constrain it for liberty.
 

realibrad

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If they would love to have the power to tell people what to do then they're not liberals. They might be what conservative media in America likes to call liberals, and what some people who aren't like to call themselves, but that doesn't make them so.
Liberalism is that philosophy embodied in the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. There's also your example of people who got power and then worked to constrain it for liberty.

I agree they don't fit the meaning of Liberalism. That does not change that seems to be human nature. Some are able to fight that nature but most do not.
 

zinfamous

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No, modern terms apply here. You would not say someone is Democratic, you would say someone is a Democrat.

It's kinda pointless, but he's right. One is a Democrat in the Democratic party. There actually isn't a "Democrat party."

weird, maybe, but that's it.
 

realibrad

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It's kinda pointless, but he's right. One is a Democrat in the Democratic party. There actually isn't a "Democrat party."

weird, maybe, but that's it.

The way almost everyone says it now is Democrat. Its dumb to call someone out and say Democratic.
 

CZroe

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If they would love to have the power to tell people what to do then they're not liberals. They might be what conservative media in America likes to call liberals, and what some people who aren't like to call themselves, but that doesn't make them so.
Liberalism is that philosophy embodied in the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. There's also your example of people who got power and then worked to constrain it for liberty.

https://www.politicalcompass.org
 
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The European left is much more extreme and radical than the American left. They have no respect at all for free speech and want high taxes for idiotic welfare programs.
 
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Gryz

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The European left is much more extreme and radical than the American left. They have no respect at all for free speech and want high taxes for idiotic welfare programs.
Thanks for the information.
It's clear now.

One small question. Have you ever been to Europe ? Which countries out of the 44 that there are ? Do you have access to European media ? Do you have a satellite dish that can receive dozens of different news-networks, or is your cable-company supplying you with all those channels ? Do you watch a lot of Bulgarian, Swedish or Italian tv ? Do you speak a lot of languages, beside English ? Just wondering. Your opinion here was such a revelation, you are such an expert, I wanna be just like you.
 

brycejones

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The way almost everyone says it now is Democrat. Its dumb to call someone out and say Democratic.

Oh bull shit, its the Democratic party. Calling it the Democrat party is something that started with the same idiots who listen to Rush and watch Fox News.

Be a man and accept that you are wrong.
 

realibrad

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Oh bull shit, its the Democratic party. Calling it the Democrat party is something that started with the same idiots who listen to Rush and watch Fox News.

Be a man and accept that you are wrong.

You went back to reply to a comment not made to you that was a week old.

Also let me point out who now is being pedantic...
 

zinfamous

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The way almost everyone says it now is Democrat. Its dumb to call someone out and say Democratic.

Actually, I think it started with G Dubs Bush in modern time, and he was rather unique in saying "Democrat party." It bucked decades of precedent. I forget the context, but it was something of a pejorative for a rather long time. I never really thought of it as intentional from Bush, though insidious little demons like Karl Rove, Cheney, and Newt Gingrich (the scions of the administration and party) were certainly aware of the meaning and the historical context. I think Bush probably used it because, well, because he is Bush and just doesn't speak very well.

The only time I have seen it used is amongst the GOP, as they seem to have adopted this Bushism. It is/was also a rejection of accepted style in journalism.
 
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brycejones

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You went back to reply to a comment not made to you that was a week old.

Also let me point out who now is being pedantic...

Poor baby

Now are you capable of admitting your mistake? It would go a long way to restoring my faith in your ability to discuss things honestly.
 
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Thanks for the information.
It's clear now.

One small question. Have you ever been to Europe ? Which countries out of the 44 that there are ? Do you have access to European media ? Do you have a satellite dish that can receive dozens of different news-networks, or is your cable-company supplying you with all those channels ? Do you watch a lot of Bulgarian, Swedish or Italian tv ? Do you speak a lot of languages, beside English ? Just wondering. Your opinion here was such a revelation, you are such an expert, I wanna be just like you.

I've been to Europe a couple times including England, Italy and some others plus planning on going again hopefully during the summer. I do have some access to European news and like to know whats going on.

What I said isn't that hard to find, They do love their welfare programs and theres a clear disregard for free speech
 

Gryz

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I've been to Europe a couple times including England, Italy and some others plus planning on going again hopefully during the summer. I do have some access to European news and like to know whats going on.
In that case, you must be blind, dumb and deaf.

What I said isn't that hard to find, They do love their welfare programs and theres a clear disregard for free speech
I was being cynical. What you said was nonsense.

FYI. I am European. I live in European country A. About 300 meters from the border of country B. And I work in country C. Our news tells us about issue in other countries (newspapers, tv and web). Which is different from US news, which is only about the US, the US and the US.

This thread is so full of bullshit, you wouldn't believe it. I happen to know that most posters in this thread are Americans. So I do believe it.
 
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In that case, you must be blind, dumb and deaf.


I was being cynical. What you said was nonsense.

FYI. I am European. I live in European country A. About 300 meters from the border of country B. And I work in country C. Our news tells us about issue in other countries (newspapers, tv and web). Which is different from US news, which is only about the US, the US and the US.

This thread is so full of bullshit, you wouldn't believe it. I happen to know that most posters in this thread are Americans. So I do believe it.

I read a variety of news sources not just American. What exactly do you disagree with? That European leftist scum support welfare programs? European leftists attack free speech?
 
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