Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Or its just a trailer. Have you ever seen a trailer that showed only gameplay?
EVE has some amazing trailers and every one that I've seen has always shown gameplay. In fact, the deception of their trailers is that they show all gameplay which makes you think "the game must play similar to this". It would be like a WoW trailer that just showed 5 people beating up Molten Core, then Onyxia, then BWL. Of course players will get into the game realizing that is what they can do, only to realize the trailer didn't mention a single thing from 1-59 and that that part of the game plays vastly different. And the trailer didn't mention that once you get to 60 you won't be beating those zones with 5 people.
It's the same with forum posts. EVE has had some amazing player written stories, they make the game sound alive and fantastic, until you realize that 90% of these stories are roleplay. Sure, these guys are "corporate assassins" in the same respect as I can play a homeless person in WoW by simply never equipping anything and standing out in the desert begging everyone that passes. It's not a game function in this respect, it is a person operating within their own imagination and then writing a compelling story around it. They are trying to illustrate how in-depth the PVP is by over complicating something as simple as kill, loot and plunder. To put it into perspective, these stories are usually about as much about game play as the l33tdude and boneskull stories in UO. Or me writing stories about the lone straggler who used to train Sand Giants onto people in Everquest. It's me trying to breath life into something, that without the story, would not be as epic or profound as it comes across. And of course, everyone who reads my Sand Giant story will think it hillarious and compelling, except the people who got trained or those who actually know what training entails.
Originally posted by: Mide
LOL Well said. It's more like 1000 rats or boars or some other nameless creature
I'm responding to you instead of Michael since it is a smaller summary, but it's for both of you. You respond to a comment about skills with how many mobs you kill in other MMOs. How is that relevant? If you want to talk skill gain, let's talk skill gain. EVE let's you gain skills by simply clicking on them and they go up continuously. Yes, this is a convenient concept, it is also incredibly lazy and an over-simplified destruction of what could have been an otherwise deep part of the game play.
You want to compare EVEs skill system to something? Let's compare it to a skill system done right, UO. In UO, not only could you gain skills, they atrophied as well, and your character could not be master of everything as that is not very likely in the real world. On top of this, your character could learn skills through observation of other people using them as well as testing them out on dummies, in sparring situations and paid training. Then obviously honing them and mastering them throughout normal use. This system is so far beyond EVE and every single other MMO that has come out it is almost embarrassing. Skills in UO actually created real world objects, shields people could use (and you could actually see, they had a place in the world, not just an item in an inventory list), chairs, tables, you could learn to navigate the seas and find hidden treasure. Those are real skills that shape the way you play the game not just how your ship upgrades.
If you want to talk killing 1000 rats, you must not have done much NPC combat in EVE because you fight the same fucking mobs 10000000 times in a row while raising your alignment with an agent or his corporation. EVE has possibly the least mob variation of any MMO ever created. You kindly overlook that because "it's space and everyone's flying the same spaceships!" And that's fine that you overlook it, but to turn around and knock other games that most likely have 10x the mob variation is pretty damned hypocritical. Not only do you fight the same mobs, but the agents recycle the same exact fucking quests. Go kill this 1 NPC out by this belt for the 1000th time, I'll give you a stack of medical supplies. Jee wiz agent, that makes the quests I got in Everquest for the bonechips sound epic.
The funny thing about this thread is people have spent so much time trying to bolster EVE's weaknesses that barely anyone has actually spoken of it's true strengths.
Michael mentioned one of EVE's more compelling pros which is the free market system and how you can exploit it. Some people actually spend every waking hour in EVE doing this because the market system is incredibly versatile and powerful. The game is basically a walking auction house as you can search for anything and everything anywhere in the galaxy. This gives you free basic knowledge of where things will sell and where they are surplussed very easily. It's an amazingly fun market simulator in that respect. There has been very few MMOs (if any, certainly none I've actually played) with such a robust system and if playing a ferengi is your game then you definitely need to look into that aspect of the world much more.
One of the other aspects of EVE I loved was the bounty system. Not just the fact that you can place a bounty on anyone and everyone. But that as you fly through the game you actually see billboards warning/informing you of these most wanted criminals with ridiculous bounties on their heads. It really makes the players appear as part of the game world and always kind of reminded me of bebop as well. The only thing that was missing was a corny wild wild west show to update you on the top 10 criminals.