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ichy

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The fight in Asakai looks awesome. It's a pity that fights like that are so rare.
 

Fallen Kell

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I joined a wormhole corp, got all excited to be able to finally use my cap ship skills and wham, next thing I know the alliance falls apart. Now I need to get all of the ships that I brought into the wormhole out in the next few days. Ugh. Time to go back to null sec exploration for a while and build up a nice isk stockpile.

hahahaa.... sounds like you joined Ducks.

Yeah, joining a wormhole corp/alliance can be tricky. You really have to know the people to begin with since living out of a POS is inherently much more risky in terms of theft of assets. If you make enough money, you can setup your own POS with many of the corps. But the only way to really take advantage of that is if you have industry toons which can research blue-prints/make copies and/or build ships/ammo/equipment from said blueprints. Its not like low/null sec POS which you can do moon mining (although that is pretty stupid that it doesn't if you ask me).
 
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ichy

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hahahaa.... sounds like you joined Ducks.

Yeah, joining a wormhole corp/alliance can be tricky. You really have to know the people to begin with since living out of a POS is inherently much more risky in terms of theft of assets. If you make enough money, you can setup your own POS with many of the corps. But the only way to really take advantage of that is if you have industry toons which can research blue-prints/make copies and/or build ships/ammo/equipment from said blueprints. Its not like low/null sec POS which you can do moon mining (although that is pretty stupid that it doesn't if you ask me).

Nope, not Ducks.

Thankfully it doesn't look like I'm going to lose any of the stuff I brought into the POS. They're keeping it up for the next couple of weeks while moving to a new WH. In hindsight I'm glad that I only took a few ships in individually rather than loading up a carrier full of them. Now I need to decide whether to stick with this corp or go back to null-sec exploration on my own.
 

Fallen Kell

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You might be able to join us Our new hole is a C5 (Wolf Rayet) static C5.

Oh, some HS corp decided to war dec us for some reason (we think the CEO had a grudge against one of our alliance members, and decided that he wanted to go to war). Well, these guys are complete idiots, doing all the normal high-sec war crap, like not wanting to fight if they don't have outrageous number advantages, etc. We managed to get them to fight finally when they had something like 3-1 advantage in numbers and when we were only in frigates and/or destroyers with 1 BC, and they at least came out in similar (well mostly cruisers), and we still creamed them and podded about 10 (which tells you that they had no clue since this is in high sec...)

They live in a four system dead-end high sec chain, with their main location at the end of the chain. Well, we live in WH space... So, we just happened to get a connection directly into their home system. And we see them sitting in their shiny T3's "gate camping" the entrance thinking they are all "bad" and all that given that they would have 2-3 systems of warning before they would get in a fight. So we had a single Fleet Tempest go in and grab point on 2 of them and start blasting away. They all engage thinking "sweet, caught someone who logged in on the gate"... And then out pops our 2 guardians in the whole along with a few others and the guardians get reps on the Fleet Tempest when it was at 54% structure, and then the fleet proceeds to kill 3 of their T3's before they can flee back to their station.

But the annoying thing is that the war has been making the logistics of moving in to the new WH just a little more painful (since flying around in a bunch of indy's is stupid when at war). We have managed to setup 4 POS'es (probably 1 or 2 more now). Biggest annoying thing is setting up PI again after figuring out what to make...
 
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Martimus

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Always made POS fuel with PI. It saved me a bundle in both effort and time trying to keep my POSes fueled.
 

TheVrolok

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I think this thread has inspired me to move into a wh for a bit.. I need something else to do in EVE.
 

ThinClient

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Li3 which is part of TEST and HoneyBadger is fairly unstable. I'm afraid my corp may have to find a replacement alliance soon while watching Li3 sit by and do absolutely nothing while neuts run unchecked through the pockets.
 

Fallen Kell

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WH living is not for everyone, but it can be a lot of fun if you have a decent group. You really need to understand the mechanics as well as the strategies involved in WH PvP, especially WH defense and assaults (as you won't last long in WH space without that knowledge). You can ease yourself in with some of the smaller types of WH's (C1's, and C2's), but there usually isn't a lot of money to be made in them unless you do manufacturing, PI, and mine (but PI can make quite a lot of money as the planets are as good as null sec).

With that said, security of gear is an issue. You don't have a station that has separate areas for ships and equipment for everyone, you only have POS's. Which means if you don't have individual POS's, you are at risk of thieves unless you trust everyone living in that particular POS (or has roles to open/use those particular tabs).

For the smaller WH's, you can usually get good defense simply by bringing blueprints and building several ships that are too large to physically fit through the entrances/exits of the wormhole, specifically several POS bashing ships, like domi's, or a dred or two if you really think you are going to stay there for a while. It is hard to take out a couple spider tanked domi's when the biggest thing you can bring in is a crusier (the only things that will be a real threat will be a T3 fleet, but even those will be cautious because the combined drones for 4-5 domi's will do one hell of a number against any T3 fleet, even one with logistics since you can also fit some heavy neuts on those domi's as well to neut out any cruiser in seconds).

You also absolutely need to learn how to D-Scan, which is a skill not many learn (even most null-sec guys don't do use it as often as they should and simply rely on local to tell them that a blob just jumped into system). The strategic use of bubbles can and will save your countless times.
 

Fallen Kell

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I still miss my hurricanes.... I think I found a somewhat replacement with a cheap thorax. The drawback is that it doesn't have the tank of the cane, but it is only 1/3 the price (once fit). I need to pickup a few and bring them in to my WH.
 

Craig234

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In terms of whether this is good to pick up for light casual play and solo play, the comments make that sound like a big 'no'.
 

ThinClient

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I still miss my hurricanes.... I think I found a somewhat replacement with a cheap thorax. The drawback is that it doesn't have the tank of the cane, but it is only 1/3 the price (once fit). I need to pickup a few and bring them in to my WH.

The patch hitting Tuesday means your cane will have 1 less gun.
 

Michael

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Craig234 - the game can be played casually and solo, but it is much better when played as part of a group. Most of the beginner content is meant for solo play, but you're missing a lot of the game if you play it that way.

Michael
 

Fallen Kell

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As I said, I found a decent thorax fit (I will post if when I get a chance), but it isn't as good as the cane previously was. I havn't found anything for someone who is pure Minmatar and I feel sorry for them because they just got nerfed to hell. I am glad I crosstrained (even though everyone was telling me not to).

Don't get me wrong, there are still awesome Minmatar frigates and battleships, but cruisers/battlecruisers are where 80-90% of engagements occur. The Republic Fleet Stabber isn't bad, but factor in cost/benefit ratio's, I would rather be in the thorax fit I now have.
 

Fallen Kell

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In terms of whether this is good to pick up for light casual play and solo play, the comments make that sound like a big 'no'.

Yeah, as someone else already said, this game is not very good for casual play. I mean, that doesn't mean you can't play it casually. Once you do some of the grind involved in mission running (i.e. get standings high enough to run level 4 missions for 1 or 2 corporations), you can play pretty casually and make enough in-game money for the time that you play. You won't get rich or anything that way, and probably won't make enough to pay for your game time with in-game money, but you will make enough to keep yourself in decent ships and pay for the skillbooks.

The game has a HUGE learning curve simply from how complex it is. For PvP, you need to join something like "Red vs Blue" corp, or "EVE University" to start getting the basics that you need (unless you happen to join some other corp which doesn't mind training you, but be wary for scam corps which will try and have you pay them to join, etc.).
 

Martimus

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Eve University is not a good choice to learn PvP. They follow very poor practices when it comes to fighting, and I would not recommend following anything they tell you on that subject.

It would likely be better to just join a small pirate corporation for a few months, and learn combat by actually doing it on a regular basis with others that also fight regularly. There are no shortages of small pirate corps to join.
 

Martimus

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Just got rid of my booster/JF alt. I feel cleaner, I'm one step closer to being out.

Even though I haven't played in a year and a half at least, and I have no desire to play again, I have kept both of my characters up to date and training. I think it is time to let my subscriptions lapse too.
 

TheVrolok

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Even though I haven't played in a year and a half at least, and I have no desire to play again, I have kept both of my characters up to date and training. I think it is time to let my subscriptions lapse too.

Yep, that's where I am, play so little I've averaged sub 10-15 kills a month. I just can't bring myself to close down all my accounts. Too many friends, time spent, chars trained, etc.
 

Michael

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When i left, I just stopped both characters. I played for over 5 years and that was enough.

I echo what Martimus said - don't bother with Eve U. If you really want to move to PvP and want to start slower, look into good factional warfare corps and join one of them would be my recommendation. You will not wreck your security status that way and also do no have to make the big jump to 0.0 (it is hard to get into any good corp there without enough killboard activity to show you what to do).

Michael
 

power_hour

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As I said, I found a decent thorax fit (I will post if when I get a chance), but it isn't as good as the cane previously was. I havn't found anything for someone who is pure Minmatar and I feel sorry for them because they just got nerfed to hell. I am glad I crosstrained (even though everyone was telling me not to).

Don't get me wrong, there are still awesome Minmatar frigates and battleships, but cruisers/battlecruisers are where 80-90% of engagements occur. The Republic Fleet Stabber isn't bad, but factor in cost/benefit ratio's, I would rather be in the thorax fit I now have.

Fraps the next kill with that Rax. Best I can guess is your buffer+overload guns and go for broke. ECM drones might be your wild card. Interesting.

To the guy wanting to know if the game is casual friendly.

Yes for sure. Goto NPC space in 0.0 and live there. Make some friends and then join a local PVP corp. gotta be thick skinned and prepare for losses. If you can make it work you should be able to support yourself. Remember cheap and mobile. Have fun. I miss this game a lot
 

SithSolo1

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Well my Eve career has come to an end. I only played for about 2 months total including the trial. Finished with a Procurer, a Harbi, an Apoc, and a Noctis plus about 130Mil in isk, lesser ships, and loot. I lost my ship about 5 times, got podded once. I tried to like it but I just got bored with the PVE side and had no interest in the PVP side.

Edit: Also formed a Corp with my brother and that's who I ran most of the missions with.
 
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Red Storm

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Well my Eve career has come to an end. I only played for about 2 months total including the trial. Finished with a Procurer, a Harbi, an Apoc, and a Noctis plus about 130Mil in isk, lesser ships, and loot. I lost my ship about 5 times, got podded once. I tried to like it but I just got bored with the PVE side and had no interest in the PVP side.

Edit: Also formed a Corp with my brother and that's who I ran most of the missions with.

Yeah it's not for everyone. I personally feel that to really get the most out of EVE you have to put way too much time into it. Just not worth it.
 
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