EVE!

[TheVrolok]

Yeah it's not for everyone. I personally feel that to really get the most out of EVE you have to put way too much time into it. Just not worth it.

I feel similarly, it would have been a great game had it existed when I was in junior high/high school. To get the most out of it, you just need to put in so much time. I simply can't do it as an adult now, and amazed at the adults with jobs/families that do. No idea how they do that without neglecting their families to some degree.

 

[Fallen Kell]

When i left, I just stopped both characters. I played for over 5 years and that was enough.

I echo what Martimus said - don't bother with Eve U. If you really want to move to PvP and want to start slower, look into good factional warfare corps and join one of them would be my recommendation. You will not wreck your security status that way and also do no have to make the big jump to 0.0 (it is hard to get into any good corp there without enough killboard activity to show you what to do).

Michael

While you don't wreck your security status, you do wreck your standings with the other factions and can no longer enter their space without being attacked by their police. That is actually worse in my book then losing security status as the only way to grind up the faction status once you are -2 or worse is to run level 1 missions with an affiliate corp and gain 0.01 faction standings for every 10 missions.... At least with security status, you can simply kill rats anywhere and both make isk as well as security status boosts. Level 1 missions will barely pay for the ammo....

 

[nanobreath]

Yeah it's not for everyone. I personally feel that to really get the most out of EVE you have to put way too much time into it. Just not worth it.

Exactly. But I still WISH I could spend the time to get deeper into it.

I love the concept of EVE. I enjoyed my time playing it, but I could never devote the amount of time I wanted to. I however still love reading about the game. EVE has some of the best player stories in an MMO ever. The reason I think is it isn't scripted like normal MMOs (or should I say current MMOs). Everybody's stories are different, and that especially makes them interesting.

 

[ichy]

I've found that the best way for me to play without committing too much time is a combination of null sec exploration and low sec PvP. I earn enough in null to buy plex for both chars and plenty of T2 fit Drakes and it's possible to do PvP in low with just a main character and an alt. I feel like I'm missing out on the social parts of the game but corp ops of any kind seem to involve more waiting around than anything else. Probing a low sec mission runner down on my own and ganking him still has a special thrill that few other games can match.

 

[Fallen Kell]

I feel like I'm missing out on the social parts of the game but corp ops of any kind seem to involve more waiting around than anything else.

It doesn't have to be. We have been slowly getting everyone setup using Jabber, and when there are things to kill, we all try and pop on. That is the great thing about WH space. Just need a few covert ops people around using d-scan to find targets to kill and call in the fleet when things have been found. You are not sitting on a gate for hours on end hoping someone passes through it...

 

[ichy]

It doesn't have to be. We have been slowly getting everyone setup using Jabber, and when there are things to kill, we all try and pop on. That is the great thing about WH space. Just need a few covert ops people around using d-scan to find targets to kill and call in the fleet when things have been found. You are not sitting on a gate for hours on end hoping someone passes through it...

I'm glad to hear that. I might give W-Space another try in a little while but my previous attempt at joining a wormhole corp just left me annoyed. I dropped a couple billion isk to buy ships and move them into our C5 and as soon as I had all my stuff there the alliance fell to pieces. Blah. It also seemed like it had the potential to be lucrative but because of how infrequent ops were I can make much better isk on my own in null-sec than I could on corp ops.

 

[Michael]

While you don't wreck your security status, you do wreck your standings with the other factions and can no longer enter their space without being attacked by their police. That is actually worse in my book then losing security status as the only way to grind up the faction status once you are -2 or worse is to run level 1 missions with an affiliate corp and gain 0.01 faction standings for every 10 missions.... At least with security status, you can simply kill rats anywhere and both make isk as well as security status boosts. Level 1 missions will barely pay for the ammo....

I may be misremembering, but I thought the faction standing was if you do missions, not if you PvP. If you shoot other players, then no hit to your faction standings.

Michael

 

[ThinClient]

It doesn't have to be. We have been slowly getting everyone setup using Jabber, and when there are things to kill, we all try and pop on. That is the great thing about WH space. Just need a few covert ops people around using d-scan to find targets to kill and call in the fleet when things have been found. You are not sitting on a gate for hours on end hoping someone passes through it...

Null doesn't have to be that boring, either. We regularly go swarming through opposing alliance null and we play pocket defense when they come in through ours. Small roams are fun. Nobody likes a boring gate camp.

In fact, we only gate camp when we know they're locked in a dead end system or we can jump bridge ahead of a fleeing invasive roam.

 

[ThinClient]

I may be misremembering, but I thought the faction standing was if you do missions, not if you PvP. If you shoot other players, then no hit to your faction standings.

Michael

If you pvp in high sec or low sec, you take a security standing hit for each kill. Nullsec has no security standing effects for killing.

Faction standing has everything to do with killing NPCs of a certain faction or doing missions for a corporation that belongs to that faction.

Faction standing is not affected by any PVP.

 

[wsaenotsock]

Well honestly, to actually get into this game, it's not a huge time sink or grind fest as you imagine. There is a lot to learn initially, but that's just remembering stuff. There is no grinding (if you are grinding missions or w/e, just uninstall the game. It's not fun and there are other games that do this way better).

What you absolutely need though is to 1) Leave Highsec, and 2) Find a group of people that you can play with, pvp preferrably, but any activity is fun. This is actually the hardest part. I have played on and off for probably 5 years. If I can find a group of people to regularly do things with, it's fun. Otherwise, I just train skills and don't really play at all.

The game itself is just a framework.. it's fairly boring. It's only when you are going up against other players and interacting that it comes alive a bit.

 

[Michael]

If you pvp in high sec or low sec, you take a security standing hit for each kill. Nullsec has no security standing effects for killing.

Faction standing has everything to do with killing NPCs of a certain faction or doing missions for a corporation that belongs to that faction.

Faction standing is not affected by any PVP.

We are discussing Factional Warfare here. I know about security status, I lead a large low sec PvP alliance for several years and I lived in 0.0 off and on for about a year as well.

Michael

 

[Fallen Kell]

I could be wrong on the Faction Warfare. I personally never did it. But the reason I never did it was because we had 2 people in corp who were very heavy into it who could no long fly in half of high-sec (which made life difficult for them given that we were in W-space and could not always choose where in normal space the exits occurred). And they were constantly having to have other people move stuff in/out for them because of their status from faction warfare.

 

[Michael]

I know if you run Factional a warfare missions, you take pretty big hits against standings for the enemy factions as the missions involve blowing up the enemy navy ships. I don't think that applies to killing other players, though.

Michael

 

[TheVrolok]

I know if you run Factional a warfare missions, you take pretty big hits against standings for the enemy factions as the missions involve blowing up the enemy navy ships. I don't think that applies to killing other players, though.

Michael

That is correct as far as I know, but as stated earlier, i haven't played much more than a few mins here and there for the last year or two. I do know that now you receive a fair bit of LP from killing enemy players, not sure if that change includes a hit to faction standings or not. I could probably tell you for sure next time I get around to logging in.

I would doubt it tho, as it would create an easily farmable way to fix faction standings. Create alt in opposing FW.. Pew repeatedly. Free faction standings. I doubt CCP would allow that.

 

[ThinClient]

 

[Fallen Kell]

lol... Yeah, I do have to admit I like the new system, but you do have to pay attention to where you are and if you have your safeties off. The bonus is that you can actually fly combat escort in high sec now.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Ok, so, this doesn't show the full story because none of us died (so you don't see how many people they had in their fleet, which was 25-30 with logi). We were harassing them left and right with a bunch of kills like:

Freighter kill + pod worth more than freighter
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16565439
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16565450

Tengu
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16565103
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16566250

So they finally got the nerve to have a real battle. They get a pretty good fleet together to come and teach us a lesson. And then did one of the most fail things I have seen. So it is obvious they don't know wormhole mechanics that well. They land on the null side of the wormhole, and pop an interdictor bubble. They then jump into the wormhole, and get scared as hell (probably because they don't have local to see what they are dealing with), and jump back out, and land... You guessed it, in their own bubble. Where we proceeded to kill a bunch of them as they were trying to slow boat it out of the bubble.

http://eol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16569584

As I said, the battle report doesn't do it justice because they didn't kill any of us, so it looks like we pounded on a small fleet, when we were actually outnumbered.

 

[TheVrolok]

The price hike mindlinks has taken is crazy.

 

[ThinClient]

1.9bil pod?

I bet he rage quit.

What a dumbass.

 

[Fallen Kell]

1.9bil pod?

I bet he rage quit.

What a dumbass.

Actually that price estimate is low too. Current prices put that really around 2.1 - 2.2 bill... Then add in his 1.5bill freighter loss, and yeah, rage quit

 

[ThinClient]

I made a 30-jump attempt to escape a wormhole yesterday through deep russian territory. I ALMOST made it :biggrin:

A proteus managed to lock me after popping through a gate before I could align so I started ripping him apart when he lit a cyno. :'(

Me: "Welp... shit." I didn't even have time to finish off the prote.

lol

 

[Red Storm]

Actually that price estimate is low too. Current prices put that really around 2.1 - 2.2 bill... Then add in his 1.5bill freighter loss, and yeah, rage quit

Considering how many billions it seems people make with ease in this game, I don't think that's rage quit territory.

 

[TheVrolok]

Considering how many billions it seems people make with ease in this game, I don't think that's rage quit territory.

Depends on the person I suppose. I've seen newer players rage over losing anywhere from 100-1B in a shot. I've lost 3-4B ISK in a single ship more than once, and I'm not thrilled about it, but meh. All depends on your perspective, I suppose.

 

[Red Storm]

Depends on the person I suppose. I've seen newer players rage over losing anywhere from 100-1B in a shot. I've lost 3-4B ISK in a single ship more than once, and I'm not thrilled about it, but meh. All depends on your perspective, I suppose.

Yeah it depends.

Question though. Let's say he did rage quit and promptly uninstalled the game never to return. Is this a good thing?

 

[TheVrolok]

Yeah it depends.

Question though. Let's say he did rage quit and promptly uninstalled the game never to return. Is this a good thing?

I'm not sure whether it's a "good" or "bad" thing, if you can't deal with stuff like that, then maybe EVE isn't the game for you.