EVE!

[IEC]

I signed up for a free trial and am downloading the install package. I'll post again with in-game nick and such once I'm cruisin'

 

[Chaotic42]

Yeah, I was thinking about trying this out. My WoW guild essentially fell apart, and it's boring as hell single player. Hmm....

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Dell John B

Originally posted by: wired247

Originally posted by: Dell John B

I think it's HORRIBLE advice. Too often I come out on top in a fight with older players because they think SP and money is an "I win button". Knowing what your ship is capable of and being comfortable in a real throwdown are both worth MILLIONS of SP in their own right.

I know very well that having more SP than someone is not a win button. But do you really expect a 3 week old player to be a threat to anyone? I'm talking about training skills for a month. Not long at all in the scheme of eve.

Yes, I have seen a 3 week old actually be a threat. I can assure you that if a person starts out, reads what I linked, takes it to heart, and then goes out after 24 hours and just does it, within 3 weeks that character will be a TERROR.

I know, because I've seen it. Several times in fact.

The last time I saw it, I watched as a 2 week old player in a Punisher wiped out player after player in Tash-Murkon Prime, every single one of them being people far older than him who were there ratting or playing sentry duty to mining ops, and every single one of them being cruisers and battlecruisers. Edit: I was so impressed by his chutzpah I donated 10 mil to his wallet.

My girlfriend plays EVE too. When she started, she took the same advice I just gave, and was effectively pirating within a week and having a blast. She only has 10mil SP now, but I'd put my money on her against many players with 25mil+.

You can fit an effective pirate T1 frigate with 24 hours worth of training. Read what I linked. The people that do it are out there, they're younger than you in-game, and they're hunting you and salivating for your blood.

The only way that a 3 week old player shredded numerous cruisers/BCs is if the C/BC pilots were absolutely mentally handicapped and had absurdly bad ship fittings. Period. What you're claiming here about a 3 week old player being a "terror" is absolutely ridiculous. Can a 3 week old player be useful? Sure. A tackling frig is very useful to any fleet engagement.. but a solo pvp terror? That's laughable. Drop a few Warrior II's on the "3 week terror frig" and it's over. Well before he pops the BC. If he's smart enough.. and somehow outlasts the Warrior II's enough to kill all 5 of 'em.. there's no way he'll do enough damage to the BC before it simply flys away. Again.. unless the BC is hellabad fitted. There is no one in his right mind that would claim EVE is as noob friendly as being able to be a "3 week terror."

Now your gf with a 10 mil SP vs certain 25 mil SP characters.. that I can easily see. 10 mil SP is nothing to laugh at if you've had the proper direction during training. My gank BC was 600 dps/40k ehp or something like that at 5 mil SP. I could see your gf rolling around doing some damage.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Yeah, I was thinking about trying this out. My WoW guild essentially fell apart, and it's boring as hell single player. Hmm....

Learning curve seems to be pretty steep, but figuring it out ATM. Waiting on Hull Upgrades Lv1 to complete before I can advance in the tutorial...

 

[FlasHBurN]

If anyone wants a 21-day trial and thinks there is a high likely-hood they will continue playing after the trial, send me a PM, I still have one invite left for the month.

 

[Dell John B]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

The only way that a 3 week old player shredded numerous cruisers/BCs is if the C/BC pilots were absolutely mentally handicapped and had absurdly bad ship fittings. Period. What you're claiming here about a 3 week old player being a "terror" is absolutely ridiculous. Can a 3 week old player be useful? Sure. A tackling frig is very useful to any fleet engagement.. but a solo pvp terror? That's laughable. Drop a few Warrior II's on the "3 week terror frig" and it's over. Well before he pops the BC. If he's smart enough.. and somehow outlasts the Warrior II's enough to kill all 5 of 'em.. there's no way he'll do enough damage to the BC before it simply flys away. Again.. unless the BC is hellabad fitted. There is no one in his right mind that would claim EVE is as noob friendly as being able to be a "3 week terror."

Now your gf with a 10 mil SP vs certain 25 mil SP characters.. that I can easily see. 10 mil SP is nothing to laugh at if you've had the proper direction during training. My gank BC was 600 dps/40k ehp or something like that at 5 mil SP. I could see your gf rolling around doing some damage.

Sorry to be contrary, but in today's EVE a 3 week old can be fully T2 fitting a punisher and have Frig V with decent support skills. That 3 week old is potentially going to be beating on players MUCH older than him flying cruisers and even some BCs, and those older players aren't going to get away. You can make authoritative sounding pronouncements all you'd like.

To this day, I do the majority of my piracy/griefing in a T1 frig (because it's FUN), and I can assure you I'm actually using only about 3 months worth of my training time whenever I step into a frigate. I beat on cruisers/BCs/BSes all day long. A BC without drone bonuses launches warrior IIs on me? I kill them... their piddly 80DPS isn't going to break my tank before I wipe them out, and after the QR speed nerfs, my opponent's webs aren't slowing me down enough for medium weapons to make an impact. A friend of theirs jumps in or they start neuting me, I reassess and hightail if necessary.

Do I attack Vexors, Arbitrators, Myrmidons, or Domis? Hells no! You got to choose your targets, and the same thing applies to that 3 week old terror I was referencing. Finding stragglers, knowing when to punch out when things start to swing against you, and knowing how to pick and stalk likely victims are all things that 3 week old terror can pick up a rudimentary understainding of fairly quickly.

Are those Cruisers and BCs optimally fit? Probably not. You know what? 95% of EVE is filled with sub-optimally fit ships. Don't believe me? Check the killboards. Which ones? ANY of them.

For people to come here and tell new players they can't be effectively beating the snot out of a good majority of the EVE population in just a matter of a few weeks does not represent the facts. What's more, it gives people the wrong idea about EVE, and makes the game seem more intimidating than it actually has to be. EVE's learning curve is steep, but not as insurmountable as many would believe.

I am in my right mind, I can promise you that. A 3 week old player with the right mindset fighting since day one can certainly be a terror to a vast majority of the existing EVE population. Is that 3-week old terror going to beat me? I doubt that player would even fight with me... I know the non-proverbial one didn't. He knew the odds weren't in his favor and booked out.

He got a 10 million ISK investment in his future for his sound judgement.

You actually come off as a 0.0 denizen who does blob-warfare a lot. Amiright? It isn't an insult, just a guess.

 

[squatchman]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Add in waste factors for both refining your ore as well as manufacturing your ship, along with manufacturing slot rental fees... well... let's just say there's plenty of retrievers available in highsec space for 5.2m ISK (I bought mine for 4.9m if I recall). When it's all said and done, you're probably just about breaking even unless you have all level 5 manufacturing and refining skills. At best you're going to be saving yourself about 350,000isk.

Perfect refines and Manufacturing IV, yea.

Sounds like a free MLU to me.

 

[Malladine]

I lost my Myrmidon while flying in 0.0 hunting rats. Damn Pilgrim snuck up on me I had him half armor, but with no ecm I couldn't escape. Next time I'll have a flight of ECM drones though, might be a different story then.

Dell John your posts are making me want to play EVE again on a daily basis

 

[FlasHBurN]

Doh, that sucks Mal.

 

[JRich]

Originally posted by: Malladine
I lost my Myrmidon while flying in 0.0 hunting rats. Damn Pilgrim snuck up on me I had him half armor, but with no ecm I couldn't escape. Next time I'll have a flight of ECM drones though, might be a different story then.

Dell John your posts are making me want to play EVE again on a daily basis

I have a Pilgrim for that reason. Now I'm waiting for my wife to finish training for a Falcon so we can go sneak up on people and wreak havoc

 

[IEC]

I have no idea what I'm doing. I've just been following the "career" path missions at the CAS. Racked up about 40 useful items in item storage so far and a cool ~2M isk. It would be nice to know what I'm doing beyond murdering pirates, lol.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN

Originally posted by: Beev
Ok, I think I'm going to re-sub tonight. Is there an AT corporation I should join? Not looking for any handouts, just somewhere social to be

I asked the same thing earlier, no response. I'm looking for the same thing as you.

Yeah, haven't found any ATers to play with, but I suppose I want to be capable of defending myself first

 

[JRich]

What system are you in?

 

[FlasHBurN]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN

Originally posted by: Beev
Ok, I think I'm going to re-sub tonight. Is there an AT corporation I should join? Not looking for any handouts, just somewhere social to be

I asked the same thing earlier, no response. I'm looking for the same thing as you.

Yeah, haven't found any ATers to play with, but I suppose I want to be capable of defending myself first

Check out the Corp that Malladine, Sunny, and now myself are in.

T-RET

(t-ret public chat). Corp leader is Reynolds.


I've only been a member for less than a week, but everyone is extremely helpful and courteous. Seems like they frequently do mining and pvp ops, either just as a Corp or with the Alliance we are in.

 

[Dell John B]

Originally posted by: JRich

Originally posted by: Malladine
I lost my Myrmidon while flying in 0.0 hunting rats. Damn Pilgrim snuck up on me I had him half armor, but with no ecm I couldn't escape. Next time I'll have a flight of ECM drones though, might be a different story then.

Dell John your posts are making me want to play EVE again on a daily basis

I have a Pilgrim for that reason. Now I'm waiting for my wife to finish training for a Falcon so we can go sneak up on people and wreak havoc

Funny...

I have one account that can fly any Gallente/Amarr/Caldari Recon (read: Pilgrim) and another that is a specialist Falcon Pilot / prober, and my main account just bought a new Pilgrim. Looks like you had the same idea. Pilgrim/Falcon combo is pretty deadly.

 

[Dell John B]

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN

Check out the Corp that Malladine, Sunny, and now myself are in.

T-RET

(t-ret public chat). Corp leader is Reynolds.


I've only been a member for less than a week, but everyone is extremely helpful and courteous. Seems like they frequently do mining and pvp ops, either just as a Corp or with the Alliance we are in.

T-RET...

Why does this sound familiar?

Where you guys located? Perhaps we've clashed...

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN

Originally posted by: Beev
Ok, I think I'm going to re-sub tonight. Is there an AT corporation I should join? Not looking for any handouts, just somewhere social to be

I asked the same thing earlier, no response. I'm looking for the same thing as you.

Yeah, haven't found any ATers to play with, but I suppose I want to be capable of defending myself first

Check out the Corp that Malladine, Sunny, and now myself are in.

T-RET

(t-ret public chat). Corp leader is Reynolds.


I've only been a member for less than a week, but everyone is extremely helpful and courteous. Seems like they frequently do mining and pvp ops, either just as a Corp or with the Alliance we are in.

Yeah, I'll check it out once I am comfortable. I'm a Gallente named Wakaranaiyo in the Luse VII system right now.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Dell John B

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN

Check out the Corp that Malladine, Sunny, and now myself are in.

T-RET

(t-ret public chat). Corp leader is Reynolds.


I've only been a member for less than a week, but everyone is extremely helpful and courteous. Seems like they frequently do mining and pvp ops, either just as a Corp or with the Alliance we are in.

T-RET...

Why does this sound familiar?

Where you guys located? Perhaps we've clashed...

Molden Heath...

 

[Coldkilla]

Oh my GOD WTF! I'm addicted to this game now... I tried this game twice on the trial last year and HATED IT, now I just subscribed after spending two weeks with it. Even though I'm only 16 days in, I'm just becoming very discouraged, the corp I'm in is so small that there's only 1-2 people logged on at once - and its hard to decide what I want to do in the game. Not to mention, making ISK at this point still really sucks. I've been getting used to Salvaging - just so I could make decent money (0.5-1million isk) in these $50-000-$100,000 pirate killing missions... Now our corp has a designated Salvager, which kinda makes me useless.. Arg! I hate wasting time on skills I'm not going to use and I really want to find a career soon as not to waste any more time.

It'd be nice to be in a larger corp with people who can help me grow into the game, but the guys I'm with gave me basically $30,000,000 in skills and cash. Cash in which is now spent & the skills will take forever to even work. So I'm basically tied to them now..

 

[Dell John B]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
...So I'm basically tied to them now..

Rule #1 in EVE: trust no one. They gave you ISK and skills, but I don't see how that ties you to anything. I say defect, hit up a corp that isn't so into the communist ideal, and make your fortune.

Dooo eeeeet...

For those that have "moral objections" to what I just wrote, methinks you might just take your interweb spaceships a mite seriously.

Also, 30 mil is chump change.

Also, this:

griefing?

 

[Coldkilla]

I guess 30mil is "chump change" to yall who've played the game for more than 16 days .. It'd take me like 10 days to hit that amount on my own. I dunno where to go from here in the game.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
I guess 30mil is "chump change" to yall who've played the game for more than 16 days .. It'd take me like 10 days to hit that amount on my own. I dunno where to go from here in the game.

I just started and racked up a total of 5M isk today... and I'd say it's been roughly 6 hours total game time since I started yesterday.

 

[imported_wired247]

30 mil is like one average level 4 mission after loot and salvage.

 

[Michael]

Just to add to the discussion on frigates with unskilled palyers being good - we have people in our group that use rookie ships to kill cruisers. Some of it is in mindset and some of it is knowing what your ship can do.

I don't have many of those ships bother me, but I am typically in a neuting RR Domi or in an Ishtar and any with any sense don't mess with me.

In a recent war I was flying around in an Ishkur (our WT were using little fast ships and I have good drone bonuses). I got jumped by a falcon, a pilgrim and a stealth bomber (plus 2 other ships). Even while jammed by the Falcon I killed the SB (auto drone aggro FTW) and then the Falcon bailed and ran when it missed a jam cycle and my drones chased it. I had 2 more of them on me then (5-1) and I managed to stay alive until my friends came. 5 more seconds of time and we would have had the Pilgrim too but I capped out and lost point.

We were decced later by a merc corp (Noir.) and they kept bitching that we were killing their "good T2" ships with cheap T1 ships. Again, it is all in knowing what to fly and what to use for different situations.

The only way to really learn PvP is to do it. If you're in a poor corp with not many people online and active, leave them and join someone better.

Michael (Myrdin Potter)

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Dell John B

.. snip ...

You actually come off as a 0.0 denizen who does blob-warfare a lot. Amiright? It isn't an insult, just a guess.

I'm a 0.0 denizen, but I LOATHE blob warfare. Hate it. Rarely show up for POS offense/defense.. it just bores the living hell out of me. I do mostly small skirmish roams and occasionally some solo stuff.

I do understand that a 3 week old character with the perfect training set can do some damage. But that's in the hands of a player that knows the game fairly well or better. A person who has played EVE for 3 weeks will simply not have the know-how nor most likely the proper skill set up to be this supposed "terror" without some seriously heavy coaching from a veteran. I'm definitely not in the noobs can't pick up EVE and go camp.. but if you make it sound like you can start from square 1 and be owning in 3 weeks you're going to discourage a lot of people when they find out that isn't often the case. Can it happen under absolutely ideal situations? Sure. Will it happen for most new players? Absolutely not.