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BloodyBandage

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been playing EVE off and on since its release...everytime I resub the world gets 10x more massive and interesting. Great sci fi game...should be interesting how Star Trek MMO does against it.
 

Martimus

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Anyone know how to file a petition with CCP? Maybe just a link to the site I would need to go to?
 

Martimus

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Thanks!

EDIT: Yay! I am now able to continue the epic arc! Something to break up the monotony of other missions.
 

SunnyD

Belgian Waffler
Jan 2, 2001
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I got bored... and I had to go halfway across the galaxy to pick up an Exhumers book for one of my alts that I had laying around. So I fit one of my Condors as a tackler, pair to tech 1 rockets, a webber, MWD, and an OD.

The flight was some 20 jumps, so being bored I strayed into a few belts looking for rats. Heh... rats. I'm surprised what a T1 frigate with T1 rockets can do to 0.5sec rats.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
I'm surprised what a T1 frigate with T1 rockets can do to 0.5sec rats.

One of my complaints about the game is that belt rats in 0.5 to 0.8 tend to be too easy unless you're brand new to the game. Even in lowsec to 0.0 they're still pretty easy.

Sleepers, on the other hand...
 

Martimus

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Apr 24, 2007
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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: SunnyD
I'm surprised what a T1 frigate with T1 rockets can do to 0.5sec rats.

One of my complaints about the game is that belt rats in 0.5 to 0.8 tend to be too easy unless you're brand new to the game. Even in lowsec to 0.0 they're still pretty easy.

Sleepers, on the other hand...

I like that the belt rats are pretty easy to kill. It is an easy way to sec up and get money for the parts of the game that I enjoy. I think they are just there to keep the miners occupied, as I am able to kill even the biggest belt rat battleship in my incursus. (although some of the L4 mission rats have great shield tanks and it takes me 20 minutes to take it down in my mission Vexor.)

Ratting seems the only way for me to make ISK without much hassle. Although Mining might be the same way, as I haven't mined since my first week in the game.
 

Martimus

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Originally posted by: Malladine
you null sec rat in a frigate and run lvl 4s in a cruiser?

I do low sec ratting in a frigate on occasion, and it is actually pretty easy as BS's can't hit you and the pirate frigates aren't strong enough to do any real damage to you. I usually use my Thorax but I use my incursus on occasion as it is quicker to get from belt to belt.

As for running level 4's in a cruiser, I only do that because I can only fly a cruiser, and I only do it after I have another person start the room so they can tank all the damage. I was just saying that there is a huge difference between belt rats and mission rats, as I have never had any problems taking out a 800K ISK bounty belt rat, but taking down 800K ISK bounty mission rat can be nearly impossible in smaller ships (I actually ran out of ammo once just getting through the shields, and had to dock and buy more ammo before I could continue.)

I cannot solo a Level 4 mission, and I have only solo'd a Level 3 mission once so far (it was hard enough that I haven't tried a second one).
 

Michael

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Martimus is in my corp and we often invite younger characters into a level 4 in their cruisers after we get aggro and are tanking everything. Gets them isk quickly and also gets them standings quickly.

Low sec BS rats are only 1 at a time. 0.0 ones often ruin in 3's, but even those are not terrible. I find the strong BC groups of 5 rats are what do smaller ships in, not the 3 BS rats.

Michael
 

SunnyD

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Jan 2, 2001
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Originally posted by: Michael
Martimus is in my corp and we often invite younger characters into a level 4 in their cruisers after we get aggro and are tanking everything. Gets them isk quickly and also gets them standings quickly.

Low sec BS rats are only 1 at a time. 0.0 ones often ruin in 3's, but even those are not terrible. I find the strong BC groups of 5 rats are what do smaller ships in, not the 3 BS rats.

Michael

I remember doing the 0sec BS's... I'd be using a shield tanked raven with torps and they'd still take a beating.
 

Malladine

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Mar 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: Martimus
Originally posted by: Malladine
you null sec rat in a frigate and run lvl 4s in a cruiser?

I do low sec ratting in a frigate on occasion, and it is actually pretty easy as BS's can't hit you and the pirate frigates aren't strong enough to do any real damage to you. I usually use my Thorax but I use my incursus on occasion as it is quicker to get from belt to belt.

As for running level 4's in a cruiser, I only do that because I can only fly a cruiser, and I only do it after I have another person start the room so they can tank all the damage. I was just saying that there is a huge difference between belt rats and mission rats, as I have never had any problems taking out a 800K ISK bounty belt rat, but taking down 800K ISK bounty mission rat can be nearly impossible in smaller ships (I actually ran out of ammo once just getting through the shields, and had to dock and buy more ammo before I could continue.)

I cannot solo a Level 4 mission, and I have only solo'd a Level 3 mission once so far (it was hard enough that I haven't tried a second one).

Ah, makes sense. That's cool you rat in a frig/cruiser, I kind of rushed into the larger ships and that resulted in some expensive losses. I haven't tried ratting in low sec, only null sec. I didn't realize there were high bounty rats (800k) in low sec.

I know what you mean on the mission rats. Those T2 rat ships can be very tough, even using 5 dual 250mm rails and 5 drones against them I've found some that took several minutes to kill.

Null sec ratting was a blast imo...i hope to fit another BC for it soon.

Michael - yeah my corp does that too, not that i've really taken advantage of it.
 

Martimus

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: Martimus
Originally posted by: Malladine
you null sec rat in a frigate and run lvl 4s in a cruiser?

I do low sec ratting in a frigate on occasion, and it is actually pretty easy as BS's can't hit you and the pirate frigates aren't strong enough to do any real damage to you. I usually use my Thorax but I use my incursus on occasion as it is quicker to get from belt to belt.

As for running level 4's in a cruiser, I only do that because I can only fly a cruiser, and I only do it after I have another person start the room so they can tank all the damage. I was just saying that there is a huge difference between belt rats and mission rats, as I have never had any problems taking out a 800K ISK bounty belt rat, but taking down 800K ISK bounty mission rat can be nearly impossible in smaller ships (I actually ran out of ammo once just getting through the shields, and had to dock and buy more ammo before I could continue.)

I cannot solo a Level 4 mission, and I have only solo'd a Level 3 mission once so far (it was hard enough that I haven't tried a second one).

Ah, makes sense. That's cool you rat in a frig/cruiser, I kind of rushed into the larger ships and that resulted in some expensive losses. I haven't tried ratting in low sec, only null sec. I didn't realize there were high bounty rats (800k) in low sec.

I know what you mean on the mission rats. Those T2 rat ships can be very tough, even using 5 dual 250mm rails and 5 drones against them I've found some that took several minutes to kill.

Null sec ratting was a blast imo...i hope to fit another BC for it soon.

Michael - yeah my corp does that too, not that i've really taken advantage of it.

I'm cheap, so I have yet to fit a ship that cost me more than 10M ISK so far, even though I can afford it. Part of the reason is that I am still trying to learn all the aspects of PVP and I am willing to die while I try out new things. A case in point was a few nights ago. I couldn't get anyone to help me out after I found a few reds in one of our systems, but I needed practice scanning down a ship, so I systematically scanned down a red Ishkur anyway (even though I knew I probably wouldn't survive the encounter), warped on top of it in a belt, and locked him up while he was engaged in a belt rat BS. I ended up losing the battle because I wasn't paying enough attention to the damage I was taking and turned on my armor repairer too late, but it was another lesson to learn and I used it as experience for the next time.
 

Malladine

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Smart guy....

Do you just make sure to warp instantly in your pod to save the implants?

That sounds like a fun encounter...inspiring even
 

Martimus

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Smart guy....

Do you just make sure to warp instantly in your pod to save the implants?

That sounds like a fun encounter...inspiring even

Yep. As soon as I got into Structure, I was spamming the warp button on the nearest planet. I got away just fine, but I had an hour flight to Jita to buy new fittings for my next ship.

I am not all that good at PVP, but I was happy to be able to scan down the ship. I have been practicing my scanning for a week now, so it was satisftying to have it pay off for once.
 

Liet

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Is it possible to fly a Concord ship yet? I remember reviewing EVE back in beta, and they gave me a gorgeous-looking Concord cruiser to roll around in, with the window down and the stereo blaring. They told me that eventually it'd be available to players.
 

SunnyD

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Anyone willing to help me out? Over the course of the next week, I'd like to "earn" enough to buy a Hulk. I can do it if I sit there mining veldspar for the week (I can do ~4m/hour right now mining), but I think it might be more fun to hang out and actually... do stuff. I need probably about ~80m ISK at this point to buy and fit a hulk properly. (I'm about a week away from being in exhumers as of today)

Note: I'm not looking for a handout - just some solid revenue for the next week to at least get me close, preferably something more entertaining than mining.
 

hooflung

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Originally posted by: Liet
Is it possible to fly a Concord ship yet? I remember reviewing EVE back in beta, and they gave me a gorgeous-looking Concord cruiser to roll around in, with the window down and the stereo blaring. They told me that eventually it'd be available to players.

Nope, won't happen.


 

hooflung

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MWD's are going to be allowed in Highsec/Lowsec deadspace missions handed out by Agents. Exploration and WH sites should already allow MWD's now. When missions allow MWD's in deadspace... it will be perfect practice for using range again... like back when the Machariel and Tempest with MWD's were the best mission ships.
 

Michael

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Nov 19, 1999
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An amusing Eve story.

Our intel channel reports a small gang (10-12 BS and a few crusiers) in one of the low sec areas we control. As you need to cross high sec to get there, we arrange a couple of carriers to take a few BS out for outlaws and the guys with good enough sec status jump to the other side of the gate (in high sec).

We send a Legion in (T3 cruiser) as bait. They start shooting and get GCC (global criminal). We bring in a BS fleet maybe 1/2 thier size and one carrier for repping. We kill one of their BS and our carrier is keeping our ships alive.

They panic and deagress and jump their fleet out. To High Sec. With GCC active.

Concord has a party.

It looked like they were new characters in a corp going for a "roam" into low sec in their fleet. And they probably didn't understand the rules about leaving low sec while a criminal. So we killed a BS and a cruiser. Concord got the rest of them.

Michael
 

Saga

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Man it's those types of tactics that just seem so shady to me. Theres something midly irritating about others thinking that shooting fish in a barrel is fun. I'd prefer to simply brute force the shit out of them by hotdropping a carrier right into the middle of them to freak them the fuck out and have the other side of the gate bubbled and waiting to hotdrop another few carriers right ontop of them with support HAC and logistics.

Not to say your methods aren't effective, I just find something sort of.. I don't know, dirty feeling about preying on inexperienced high and lowseccers. At least in 0.0 there are high odds your going to face a very experienced gang and it's going to come down to skill, and not baiting another fleet into concording themselves..
 

JRich

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Originally posted by: Michael
An amusing Eve story.

Our intel channel reports a small gang (10-12 BS and a few crusiers) in one of the low sec areas we control. As you need to cross high sec to get there, we arrange a couple of carriers to take a few BS out for outlaws and the guys with good enough sec status jump to the other side of the gate (in high sec).

We send a Legion in (T3 cruiser) as bait. They start shooting and get GCC (global criminal). We bring in a BS fleet maybe 1/2 thier size and one carrier for repping. We kill one of their BS and our carrier is keeping our ships alive.

They panic and deagress and jump their fleet out. To High Sec. With GCC active.

Concord has a party.

It looked like they were new characters in a corp going for a "roam" into low sec in their fleet. And they probably didn't understand the rules about leaving low sec while a criminal. So we killed a BS and a cruiser. Concord got the rest of them.

Michael

:laugh:
 

Martimus

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Originally posted by: Saga
Man it's those types of tactics that just seem so shady to me. Theres something midly irritating about others thinking that shooting fish in a barrel is fun. I'd prefer to simply brute force the shit out of them by hotdropping a carrier right into the middle of them to freak them the fuck out and have the other side of the gate bubbled and waiting to hotdrop another few carriers right ontop of them with support HAC and logistics.

Not to say your methods aren't effective, I just find something sort of.. I don't know, dirty feeling about preying on inexperienced high and lowseccers. At least in 0.0 there are high odds your going to face a very experienced gang and it's going to come down to skill, and not baiting another fleet into concording themselves..

I sincerely doubt anyone expected them to commit CONCORD suicide. I think Michael was saying that they would have had a pretty good chance if they had just stayed and fought, but they weren't organized and were too inexperienced and ran at the first sign of a struggle.
 

Michael

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What is shady about engaging a 10-12 BS fleet with one 1/2 the size and wanting them to at least have gate guns on them? We had no idea they would panic and jump to high sec. And we roam into 0.0 all the time. Your assumption that you're likely to run into an "experienced" gang is bullshit. There is a very short list of competent PvP corps/Alliances in 0.0. People suck there as well. What helps them do better is things like bubbles and having larger numbers in their corporations so they have bigger gangs.

We honestly didn't even know the ages of the characters until we checked when we tried to figure out why they did what they did. We thought one of our guys would die for real he laughed so much.

Michael
 
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