Originally posted by: ITPaladin
What I and another person were meaning when making side remark about you using shield and armor tanking is:
Don't do it. You are decreasing your effectiveness.
Use one or the other, what ever your racial advantages are. I don't know much about Minmatar.
Gallente are armor tankers 99% of the time. The Myrmidon can be shield tanked because of all the low and mid slots. If your ships have a bonus to armor or shield tanking, then you should be using that skill.
Originally posted by: SunnyD
I loved my battle cruiser (Caldari). In fact I believe my old account has both - the Drake had just come out a month or so before I quit. Battlecruisers are nice, but they're a hefty investment. Honestly, depending on what you want to do - I'd say skip BC until you train up Battleships. You have to sink a lot of points into the BC skill to make it super-effective, though it is worth it in some cases. A tier 3 cruiser is generally "almost" as nice as a battlecruiser, and honestly if you're going to sink time into skilling up, get yourself into a battleship.
Your bread'n'butter ship though should probably be a mid-range cruiser. Not too expensive, not costly to lose. Battlecruisers (last I knew) bordered on cost vs. insurance tradeoffs, meaning you'll tend to lose money no matter what even if it's insured.
A mid-range cruiser is cheap enough to lose without breaking the bank, so you won't feel bad if you're ganked along the way somewhere. That and they're powerful enough to run most missions without too much trouble. Best bang-for-the-buck.
Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: SunnyD
I loved my battle cruiser (Caldari). In fact I believe my old account has both - the Drake had just come out a month or so before I quit. Battlecruisers are nice, but they're a hefty investment. Honestly, depending on what you want to do - I'd say skip BC until you train up Battleships. You have to sink a lot of points into the BC skill to make it super-effective, though it is worth it in some cases. A tier 3 cruiser is generally "almost" as nice as a battlecruiser, and honestly if you're going to sink time into skilling up, get yourself into a battleship.
Your bread'n'butter ship though should probably be a mid-range cruiser. Not too expensive, not costly to lose. Battlecruisers (last I knew) bordered on cost vs. insurance tradeoffs, meaning you'll tend to lose money no matter what even if it's insured.
A mid-range cruiser is cheap enough to lose without breaking the bank, so you won't feel bad if you're ganked along the way somewhere. That and they're powerful enough to run most missions without too much trouble. Best bang-for-the-buck.
hmmmmmmmmmm. You mentioned a Tier 3 cruiser. Are those the cruisers on the market? what makes a cruiser T3 over T1? or do you mean the skill ranks to support cruiser use?
Guessing i'll really be ready to upgrade this destroyer before I earn enough to buy a battleship, lol. I'm trying to level up skills that seem like they'll be effective not only now but later on. Like Missile Operation which gives bonuses to all launchers, not just standard missiles, stuff like that.
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
What I and another person were meaning when making side remark about you using shield and armor tanking is:
Don't do it. You are decreasing your effectiveness.
Use one or the other, what ever your racial advantages are. I don't know much about Minmatar.
Gallente are armor tankers 99% of the time. The Myrmidon can be shield tanked because of all the low and mid slots. If your ships have a bonus to armor or shield tanking, then you should be using that skill.
Gallente = armor tanking (I've heard the term: If you've got shields left, you're doing it wrong...)
Caldari = shield tanking (I've heard the term: If you don't have shields left, you're dead...)
Minmattar = generally staying out of the line of fire - they CAN shield tank on some ships, they CAN armor tank on some ships, but usually you just put everything into speed and range and keep the enemy at bay.
Amaar = No clue - always heard they were the red-headed stepchild race.
Originally posted by: SunnyD
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Something to remember with skills... while a bigger ship can equip smaller weapons, you may be gimping yourself by doing so. Bigger weapons = bigger bang (with limitations). So yeah, you'll want to skill up basic skills, but then you'll also be upgrading your skills (like medium guns) for when you get into a bigger ship. It all goes hand in hand, and you'll quickly find that to become effective in a bigger ship, you all of a sudden need a LOT more skills.
Originally posted by: Malladine
oh man...i'd have been pissed at that
So what's T3 gonna mean for EVE?
Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: SunnyD
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Something to remember with skills... while a bigger ship can equip smaller weapons, you may be gimping yourself by doing so. Bigger weapons = bigger bang (with limitations). So yeah, you'll want to skill up basic skills, but then you'll also be upgrading your skills (like medium guns) for when you get into a bigger ship. It all goes hand in hand, and you'll quickly find that to become effective in a bigger ship, you all of a sudden need a LOT more skills.
I'm finding the certificate system to be very handy working out what skills I need. Wicked good idea
Originally posted by: Mide
One piece of advice is to avoid what I did. When I started I did the L1 and L2s in a frig and cruiser until I could fly an assault frig. I trained up all my skills to make the AF one tough nut and my primary ship. I could do most L3s. When I moved up to L4s or even assisted in L4s with corpies, I discovered that the AF is useless against a BS, not enough DPS. So yeah if you solo a lot, just get up to a BS and train up all those skills...you get a ton more isk and loot from L4s than you do with L3s anyday even though completing a L4 solo can take a long while...and then you have to salvage..
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
I don't see how your comment relates to the EO post. They find out about an exploit, they fix it.
... 4 years after they found out about it.
You could say the same thing about Microsoft's recent patch of a known 4-5 year exploit in XP.
Link the specific post where it states they knew about it for 4 years. I seem to recall reading something about alchemy being part of the exploit, which that skill hasn't been in the game for 4 years.
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
I don't see how your comment relates to the EO post. They find out about an exploit, they fix it.
... 4 years after they found out about it.
You could say the same thing about Microsoft's recent patch of a known 4-5 year exploit in XP.
Link the specific post where it states they knew about it for 4 years. I seem to recall reading something about alchemy being part of the exploit, which that skill hasn't been in the game for 4 years.
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
Like I said, show me where THIS exploit is what is being talked about concerning 4 years ago. There is alot of speculation; asking if this was reported 4 years ago.
It seems CCP just recently was made aware of it. That scrapheap link shows maybe that person used petition instead of the bug report system, which is the least effective way to submit an exploit... bug...report.
I am not reading through 60+ pages to find the answer.
Originally posted by: ITPaladin
Like I said, show me where THIS exploit is what is being talked about concerning 4 years ago. There is alot of speculation; asking if this was reported 4 years ago.
It seems CCP just recently was made aware of it. That scrapheap link shows maybe that person used petition instead of the bug report system, which is the least effective way to submit an exploit... bug...report.
I am not reading through 60+ pages to find the answer.
Originally posted by: HumblePie
Originally posted by: Mide
One piece of advice is to avoid what I did. When I started I did the L1 and L2s in a frig and cruiser until I could fly an assault frig. I trained up all my skills to make the AF one tough nut and my primary ship. I could do most L3s. When I moved up to L4s or even assisted in L4s with corpies, I discovered that the AF is useless against a BS, not enough DPS. So yeah if you solo a lot, just get up to a BS and train up all those skills...you get a ton more isk and loot from L4s than you do with L3s anyday even though completing a L4 solo can take a long while...and then you have to salvage..
You can do L3 missions with only a normal frig. A passive tanked Rifter is more than enough for the occasional cruiser you'll run into during L3's. L4's you need a BC or a BS. Doing them in a BC is a bit tougher and takes a lot longer, but it can be done. LV4 missions in a BS is just retardedly easy if you have a built up ship.
Originally posted by: Mide
One piece of advice is to avoid what I did. When I started I did the L1 and L2s in a frig and cruiser until I could fly an assault frig. I trained up all my skills to make the AF one tough nut and my primary ship. I could do most L3s. When I moved up to L4s or even assisted in L4s with corpies, I discovered that the AF is useless against a BS, not enough DPS. So yeah if you solo a lot, just get up to a BS and train up all those skills...you get a ton more isk and loot from L4s than you do with L3s anyday even though completing a L4 solo can take a long while...and then you have to salvage..
Originally posted by: HumblePie
You can do L3 missions with only a normal frig. A passive tanked Rifter is more than enough for the occasional cruiser you'll run into during L3's. L4's you need a BC or a BS. Doing them in a BC is a bit tougher and takes a lot longer, but it can be done. LV4 missions in a BS is just retardedly easy if you have a built up ship.
Originally posted by: JRich
You'd be surprised how many frigs and dessies you see on L4's Damn tacklers...
Originally posted by: Malladine
I'm owning L1 missions in my destroyer...too easy in fact. Is the only way for me to access L2 to continue doing L1 or learn some Charism skills? Also, they are very repetitive...so much so I disarmed my destroyer and installed cargo expanders and mining lasers for a change. Started learning the industry skills too.
yeah, i doubt that. Also, there are cruisers in level 1 missions, the fact you're saying "occasional" cruiser for L3s implies you have never done any...i find it hard to believe you're still fighting destroyers and frigates in L3s.