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Malladine

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Originally posted by: jRaskell
Originally posted by: Malladine

I'm owning L1 missions in my destroyer...too easy in fact. Is the only way for me to access L2 to continue doing L1 or learn some Charism skills? Also, they are very repetitive...so much so I disarmed my destroyer and installed cargo expanders and mining lasers for a change. Started learning the industry skills too.

yeah, i doubt that. Also, there are cruisers in level 1 missions, the fact you're saying "occasional" cruiser for L3s implies you have never done any...i find it hard to believe you're still fighting destroyers and frigates in L3s.

If you want to push up to L2 missions, then just grind L1s without looting anything. Looting typically takes 2-3 times as long as it takes to complete the mission itself. It's good for isk, but does nothing to improve faction standing.

You'll make money a lot faster running L2s in a Rifter than running L1s in a Destroyer anyways.

yeah that's a good call actually, should have thought of that. I bought a cruiser though so i'm aiming for the L2 with a vengeance! What ship classes should i expect in L2 then? In my Rifter I was getting murdered in some of the L1 missions...granted I had noob equipment but still...
 

JRich

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Looting L1 and L2 missions is not worth it

L2's it's mostly frig, dessies, and some cruisers.

 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: JRich
Looting L1 and L2 missions is not worth it

L2's it's mostly frig, dessies, and some cruisers.

The idea of not looting is foreign, how does that work?

i'm surprised L2s aren't tougher than that. I need social skills asap.
 
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Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: JRich
Looting L1 and L2 missions is not worth it

L2's it's mostly frig, dessies, and some cruisers.

The idea of not looting is foreign, how does that work?

i'm surprised L2s aren't tougher than that. I need social skills asap.

Looting is useless. SALVAGING is not. That should have been the first thing you aimed for....getting salavaging and a salvager. I was pulling in millions of isk in L1 missions.
 

Malladine

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Useless is a stretch, i've made a million...just took me 50 missions to do it . I'd have focused more on learning the skills to salvage but nobody told me how good it was and since there's so many skills I just didn't realize basically. I am beginning to learn em though. Probably next after social skills once I can fit the cruiser properly.
 

Malladine

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Okay using medium weaponry is quite a bit different than small...optimal range of 1500 m, but only for larger ships since frigates are too fast for my tracking anything under 3.5km m! Good thing I can still hit up to 8km
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Okay using medium weaponry is quite a bit different than small...optimal range of 1500 m, but only for larger ships since frigates are too fast for my tracking anything under 3.5km m! Good thing I can still hit up to 8km

If you're going frigate hunting in a cruiser... you need to mount some "duals". Basically 2x the firepower at "S" size, packed into a medium hardpoint.

Either that or pop them before they start moving.
 

Malladine

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I was looking at tracking enhancers and target painters, i'll check those duals out too
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Malladine
I was looking at tracking enhancers and target painters, i'll check those duals out too

There's more to it than just tracking...

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You need to take things into account such as signature radius and all that jazz. While target painters will mitigate that somewhat, it's another slot your using up on your ship that might be better suited with something else.

edit: This is actually what I wanted to link.
 

Malladine

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Thanks...if you can cut and paste the relevant chunk i'll read now, otherwise i'll check it after work

Complexity ftw.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Thanks...if you can cut and paste the relevant chunk i'll read now, otherwise i'll check it after work

Complexity ftw.

The latter is Flash based. Check it after work. Basically though, bigger gun = more misses against smaller target.
 

Malladine

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I'm piloting a Stabber...lol

Thanks Sunny, i'll do that. And that makes sense, sounds like i need to look at gunnery skills
 

Jschmuck2

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So is the best way to get into EvE to just slog your way though the beginning? I really want to like it!
 

HumblePie

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Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: HumblePie

You can do L3 missions with only a normal frig. A passive tanked Rifter is more than enough for the occasional cruiser you'll run into during L3's. L4's you need a BC or a BS. Doing them in a BC is a bit tougher and takes a lot longer, but it can be done. LV4 missions in a BS is just retardedly easy if you have a built up ship.

yeah, i doubt that. Also, there are cruisers in level 1 missions, the fact you're saying "occasional" cruiser for L3s implies you have never done any...i find it hard to believe you're still fighting destroyers and frigates in L3s.

For the naysayers that don't believe me just do a search on the official forums for Passive Rifter. You'll see guides and videos of a well done and CHEAP rifter setup (meaning a newbie in a month of playing or so can get the setup) that can do pretty much all level 3 missions. Now, is it going to cost a few mil? Yeppers. But a few mill isk is nothing in the grand scheme of cash in the game. If you join a corp, chances are, the corp will just give you what you need as a newbie if you can't make enough to buy it yourself. It also does take about a month or so as well to get the skills needed as well for the setup.

Basically, you need to get the Rifter around 2K-ish shield totals if I remember, and not the shield rechargers but the other ones which drain your cap for shield recharge. Forgot what they are called. You end up with a Rifter recharging 60ish shield points per second at the "sweet" spot of your shield regen which I think is at 30% or so of your total shields.

I think it included a medium extender, a small extender, and three of those "rechargers" which I forgot the name of. Plus having good skills.

When I first started playing, I found the guide on the official forums and followed it word for word. Then I started learning more about the mechanics of the game and started tweaking things and making huge spreadsheets and REALLY got into the passive tanking aspect of the game which wasn't as big then. I basically took every ship possible in the game and use the absolute BEST possible upgrades for passive shield tanking potential and figured out which ship classes were the best for it and which were the worst. Basically, the Megathron base class Battle ships for non Cap ships are the best passive tanking ships in the game. The hurricane also passive tanks better than a drake too when all relative skills are maxed and with the best equipment. Now the drake is easier to passive tank out because of the inherent resistances. Meaning even if you don't have max skills and the best equipment, the drake setups will out passive tank a hurricane. But if you do have maxed skills and the best equipment available, then it won't due to a lack of slots on either mids or lows that the hurricane just flat out has way more of.

Anyhow, I would have to re-find that spreadsheet and give it all out. I did EVERY non capitol ship in the game along with a "minimum" amount of skills and basic equip, versus maxed out skills with good equip, versus the best possible setup that can be done for that. I tried multiple combination for everything.

But back to the original naysayers. Yes LVL 3's can be done in a passive rifter. Do they take a long time? Hell yah. Are most of them a piece of cake? Pretty much since there is little chance of dying. Is it the best in the long run? Depends on how you pick your missions. All you have to do to verify is search the official forums for the backlog of posts on it and I think there was some video's showing it as well.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
So is the best way to get into EvE to just slog your way though the beginning? I really want to like it!

The most irritating part is that if you intend on playing with any sort of normalcy, you have to waste the better part of a month (or is it two) to max out your learning skills before you actually train up real skills.
 

blipblop

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That is true about the learning skills. Get the basic skills up to L5 and the advanced to L4. It really is a little different perspective on mmo. I love it and I have been playing it since August
 

Dorkenstein

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I played for about 4 years, but it started to feel like a job and I eventually lost interest. Hearing people talk about it brings back memories.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
So is the best way to get into EvE to just slog your way though the beginning? I really want to like it!

The most irritating part is that if you intend on playing with any sort of normalcy, you have to waste the better part of a month (or is it two) to max out your learning skills before you actually train up real skills.

Yah, you can get to level 3's on all the learning skills in a couple of days though for the "real" skills you want. Then level cybernetics to 3 and get some regular "implants" for cheap as well in the same time period. Doing this is a quick shortcut to getting regular skills fairly fast. However, if you will want to max out those learning skills well before moving on to battle ships or higher since it's a percentage of time off. When the time isn't long, 15 minutes to an hour to train a skill, a max learning will shave of seconds to a few minutes. No big deal. When skills take days, weeks, and months to train then maxed out learning will shave off hours, days or weeks of training time.

I think someone calculated this before. If you only took your learning skills to level 3, and then tried to get into a maxed out capitol ship it would take roughly 5 years to do it. If you max out your learning only, it would take about half that or two years. With implants and such it would take about a year and a half. So it's well worth the 2 month investment in the long run to max out learning skills. The problem is, it is better to do that somewhat early, but not right off the bat either as you won't be having any fun at all to start with.

Best bet is to get to cruisers and get the skills you want up to a "playable" level with the cruiser to have fun with. Then max out learning before working on anything else.
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: blipblop
That is true about the learning skills. Get the basic skills up to L5 and the advanced to L4. It really is a little different perspective on mmo. I love it and I have been playing it since August

the l5 basics aren't worth it. L4 is fine.

edit: for newer players... can't spend a ton of time training boring stuff right?

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
So is the best way to get into EvE to just slog your way though the beginning? I really want to like it!

The most irritating part is that if you intend on playing with any sort of normalcy, you have to waste the better part of a month (or is it two) to max out your learning skills before you actually train up real skills.

It took my pre-planned covops char the two free weeks to get l4 basics and l3 advanced, then another three weeks to get in a covops ship.

If you're not wanting to pay for the learning skills time, any current EVE subscriber can set you up with an extended three week trial, which would be more than enough to get the learning skill to where you need them.


I'll be running L3 missions for Caldari Navy out of Kaunokka for the next couple days. I can tank without problem, so you don't really need to worry about getting shot at. If anyone wants to tag along for some bounty and rewards (and a cut of the salvage if you bring a salvager ) hit me up in game (Kwanaioo), or on xfire (cylune).

If we can get a big enough fleet I have some high quality L4 agents nearby, but I can't do enough DPS right now to complete them in a reasonable time frame.
 

randay

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so whats the scoop on tech3? and why is trit 4+ a unit, and why do gtcs cost so much now
 
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