EVE!

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I can't believe people are bitching about the autopilot NOT warping you to 0 and automatically jumping? Do you want the game to hold your hand, too? The autopilot is a convenience in high/mid sec, but you really believe you should be able to fly around low sec space while AFK and have nothing to worry about? Please go play WoW on a PvE server, carebears.

Who said anything about low sec? If you're going to get all insulting you need to muster up some reading comprehension first:

Originally posted by: Smilin
Travel from point A to B in the game gets boring as all sh1t. It is the most unpleasant part of the game that I have found. It's worse than grinding.

So if I want to autopilot through a bunch of high security space while I go grab a snack I should be able to do so. Getting "punished" for using autopilot was the last straw.

It's NOT a convenience in high sec (let alone mid). That's where I got podded. I had a 12 jump run back to home at the end of my night. I stuck things on autopilot through high sec space while I got a drink or something. When I got back to the computer I'm dead and like 2 days of work in the game was gone. Screw that. How is that fun by any stretch of the imagination?

Sure you can manually warp to 0 from gate to gate and it's actually faster getting places than autopilot. But look I work all day in front of a computer and I don't feel like doing it when I get home. You have to go beyond like 5 gates and frankly that crap gets BORING. So you should be able to autopilot and do something else for a few (I'm not asking for a free pass through Sec 0 space here, but Sec .9+ ?)

I shouldn't have to sit in front of a frickin computer watching it autopilot itself for 30 minutes to get somewhere. It's an utterly retarded game concept. When left with my own thoughts the first thing that comes to mind is "I'm paying for this??".

One time I literally put things in Windowed mode and played a different game on the second monitor while I was waiting. Yeah, let that sink in... Eve sucks so bad that I had to play another game at the same time to remain entertained.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
All the problems mentioned above I could live with and somewhat enjoyed in a way, what finally turned me off from EvE was the fact that the my second payed account that I spent so much time and Isk to get outfitted for mining become useless overnight when LV (alliance my corp just joined) gets swamped by enemy alliances making it impossible to mine safely (kinda nerve racking when you see 50+ hostiles enter the sector, and you make it back to the station just as they all arrive there and make it in with minor hull damage). So my corp gets displayed to a new ragion of 0.0 and it's a nightmare with constant raids and no one willing to go on patrols, not to mention not a damn thing worth mining. I even skilled up scanning to find hidden instances that I can call others in to clear out (big bucks for them) and sometimes have a fortune in minerals but it proved to be worse then ratting.

Mining was going to be my cash cow so I never had to touch another damn mission or ratting (killing NPC pirate in asteroid belts). When that fell through and I was left with a pure PvP character that was useless for making money I up and quit.

And the answer to your problems as the EVE forum goes would probably say:

"Find a new corp/alliance since yours obviously sucks!" :roll:

I think a better statement would be


OMGZ PVP IN A PVP CENTRIC GAME /flail arms
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

You have no idea how the game is played, plus reread what I posted.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

I was Spec Ops Minmatar too. When I left I was floating around in the Minmatar cruiser. The one that looks like a rubber chicken.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I can't believe people are bitching about the autopilot NOT warping you to 0 and automatically jumping? Do you want the game to hold your hand, too? The autopilot is a convenience in high/mid sec, but you really believe you should be able to fly around low sec space while AFK and have nothing to worry about? Please go play WoW on a PvE server, carebears.

Who said anything about low sec? If you're going to get all insulting you need to muster up some reading comprehension first:

Originally posted by: Smilin
Travel from point A to B in the game gets boring as all sh1t. It is the most unpleasant part of the game that I have found. It's worse than grinding.

So if I want to autopilot through a bunch of high security space while I go grab a snack I should be able to do so. Getting "punished" for using autopilot was the last straw.

It's NOT a convenience in high sec (let alone mid). That's where I got podded. I had a 12 jump run back to home at the end of my night. I stuck things on autopilot through high sec space while I got a drink or something. When I got back to the computer I'm dead and like 2 days of work in the game was gone. Screw that. How is that fun by any stretch of the imagination?

Sure you can manually warp to 0 from gate to gate and it's actually faster getting places than autopilot. But look I work all day in front of a computer and I don't feel like doing it when I get home. You have to go beyond like 5 gates and frankly that crap gets BORING. So you should be able to autopilot and do something else for a few (I'm not asking for a free pass through Sec 0 space here, but Sec .9+ ?)

I shouldn't have to sit in front of a frickin computer watching it autopilot itself for 30 minutes to get somewhere. It's an utterly retarded game concept. When left with my own thoughts the first thing that comes to mind is "I'm paying for this??".

One time I literally put things in Windowed mode and played a different game on the second monitor while I was waiting. Yeah, let that sink in... Eve sucks so bad that I had to play another game at the same time to remain entertained.

Odds are you either got suicide ganked, your corp was war decced, or your auto-pilot was not setup correctly and you went through low sec somewhere along that 12 jump journey. Either way auto-pilot is still a convenience but not a 100% insurance against getting popped. High sec is about as safe as your own neighborhood you live in but in reality anything can happen there. For example a gang of home invasion thugs breaking in and holding you hostage, etc. Sure you are safe in high sec but you are not 100% safe period and never will you be unless you decide never to undock. If that doesn't work for you then to bad. EVE isn't a game for people who like to have their hands held.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
All the problems mentioned above I could live with and somewhat enjoyed in a way, what finally turned me off from EvE was the fact that the my second payed account that I spent so much time and Isk to get outfitted for mining become useless overnight when LV (alliance my corp just joined) gets swamped by enemy alliances making it impossible to mine safely (kinda nerve racking when you see 50+ hostiles enter the sector, and you make it back to the station just as they all arrive there and make it in with minor hull damage). So my corp gets displayed to a new ragion of 0.0 and it's a nightmare with constant raids and no one willing to go on patrols, not to mention not a damn thing worth mining. I even skilled up scanning to find hidden instances that I can call others in to clear out (big bucks for them) and sometimes have a fortune in minerals but it proved to be worse then ratting.

Mining was going to be my cash cow so I never had to touch another damn mission or ratting (killing NPC pirate in asteroid belts). When that fell through and I was left with a pure PvP character that was useless for making money I up and quit.

-Edit- Well, my PvP character could do lvl4 missions but that is worse then most any form of grinding in any MMO to date.

I rather run missions, explore for complexes, rat, salvage other people's wrecks, etc... then mine. Also it sounds like your Alliance failed to protect their space in 0.0. 0.0 is a rough place for those who can't or won't defend their space.

 

[JRich]

Shit happens...

Where are you at Malladine?

 

[Canai]

I'm going on four months of steady playing. I was in alpha waaaay back in the day, but didn't have the patience to actually sit down and play. Now I'm rather addicted, running dual accounts, one a mission running Gallente drone pilot, the other a Caldari covert ops / ewar pvp'r. The mission runner pretty much funds the covops char.

I'm really liking Eve. I could never get into any of the other MMO's, but Eve just makes me want to play more and more. I'm in the process of looking for a good corp, as the couple I've been in have pretty much just been a couple guys who were on occasionally. I just found a decent sounding anti-pirate corp that I think I'm going to join once my skillpoints finally roll over 4 million, which should be this week.

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Malladine
my previous ship, a Rifter, was destroyed while I was on autopilot going to pick the destroyer up...and I was pod killed too .

This made me quit the very first time it happened. CYA!

Travel from point A to B in the game gets boring as all sh1t. It is the most unpleasant part of the game that I have found. It's worse than grinding.

So if I want to autopilot through a bunch of high security space while I go grab a snack I should be able to do so. Getting "punished" for using autopilot was the last straw.


Fvck Eve.

You must learn the ways of the autopilot. You have to set it to keep you in highsec, it defaults to shortest route.

Originally posted by: HumblePie
Oh yah, forgot about the travel and auto pilot crap. Yay for having auto pilot stop you so far out from the gate it takes you about 30 seconds of thruster time to reach it. Plenty of time for anyone nearby to scan your cargo and pop you. Which means you have to actually "drive" yourself to warp right on top of the gate and click on the gate as fast as possible so you get through it in about 5 seconds or so and don't get popped.

If someone pops you in highsec they'll get Concorded immediately. If you're in lowsec and using autopilot, you deserve to be popped



Also, downtime's two minutes from over yay! I should be in bed but classes were canceled today so it'll be an Eve day!

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I can't believe people are bitching about the autopilot NOT warping you to 0 and automatically jumping? Do you want the game to hold your hand, too? The autopilot is a convenience in high/mid sec, but you really believe you should be able to fly around low sec space while AFK and have nothing to worry about? Please go play WoW on a PvE server, carebears.

Who said anything about low sec? If you're going to get all insulting you need to muster up some reading comprehension first:

Originally posted by: Smilin
Travel from point A to B in the game gets boring as all sh1t. It is the most unpleasant part of the game that I have found. It's worse than grinding.

So if I want to autopilot through a bunch of high security space while I go grab a snack I should be able to do so. Getting "punished" for using autopilot was the last straw.

It's NOT a convenience in high sec (let alone mid). That's where I got podded. I had a 12 jump run back to home at the end of my night. I stuck things on autopilot through high sec space while I got a drink or something. When I got back to the computer I'm dead and like 2 days of work in the game was gone. Screw that. How is that fun by any stretch of the imagination?

Sure you can manually warp to 0 from gate to gate and it's actually faster getting places than autopilot. But look I work all day in front of a computer and I don't feel like doing it when I get home. You have to go beyond like 5 gates and frankly that crap gets BORING. So you should be able to autopilot and do something else for a few (I'm not asking for a free pass through Sec 0 space here, but Sec .9+ ?)

I shouldn't have to sit in front of a frickin computer watching it autopilot itself for 30 minutes to get somewhere. It's an utterly retarded game concept. When left with my own thoughts the first thing that comes to mind is "I'm paying for this??".

One time I literally put things in Windowed mode and played a different game on the second monitor while I was waiting. Yeah, let that sink in... Eve sucks so bad that I had to play another game at the same time to remain entertained.

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Odds are you either got suicide ganked, your corp was war decced, or your auto-pilot was not setup correctly and you went through low sec somewhere along that 12 jump journey. Either way auto-pilot is still on convince but not a 100% insurance against getting popped. High sec is about as safe as your own neighborhood you live in but in reality anything can happen there as well like a gang of home invasion thugs breaking in and holding you hostage, etc. Sure you are safe in high sec but you are not 100% safe period and never will you be unless you decide never to undock. If that doesn't work for you then to bad. EVE isn't a game for people who like to have their hands held.

This. I also want to know how you lost two days of work? Were so you broke you couldn't afford a new ship? (If so, how were you that broke?) Did you not insure it? Did you get podded and lose training time? If so, it's your own fault for not upgrading your clone. I'm sorry, this game isn't for people who like their hands held. It can be rough, if you do stupid things you'll get set back, that's the way it is. Obviously this game has too steep a degree of difficulty for you, and that's fine. I use autopilot all the time when I'm moving things around stations and I've never, ever, not once, gotten podded while using it.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I was Spec Ops Minmatar too. When I left I was floating around in the Minmatar cruiser. The one that looks like a rubber chicken.

hahaha. When did you play? you should get back into it

Originally posted by: JRich
Shit happens...

Where are you at Malladine?

Right now i'm in Heimatar(sp?)/Metropolis regions, mostly Anher, Pator, Eystur systems it seems.

I like that EVE can have a calming effect on me, and yet at other times is pretty exciting, and I haven't touched Militia Office never mind real pvp. What is Militia btw? And should I be thinking about it at all right now, given the quality of my ship? haha

another question - is there a way to activate all my turrets at once?

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
Just wait a month or two. When you are waiting 30+ days for skills like battle cruiser 3 you'll be like, why the F am I playing this crap? And that's not even a top end skill either! Sure you can ghost still right now. Which means, when you have a skill that takes a month or longer to train, you stop payment for that month and let the account auto train. But what's the point?

Because you can ghost they don't allow skill queuing. The reason being is if you could queue up several skills for training one right after another, you can train a lot of LONG skills, and not actually have to log into the game for months at a time.

So since you can't queue, this means you have to log on at the time a skill finishes training to train another skill. This is fine at the beginning of the game when it takes 15 minutes, half an hour, or maybe a hour or two for training up. Problem is when you have a skill that takes 3 week, 2 days, and 4 hours, and that roughly makes you figure you need to be awake at 3AM in the morning 3 weeks from now on a Tuesday to start your next skill. It's a real PITA.

Also, the combat in the game is hoo-hum as far as I remember. Either your boat or group is supremely more powerful that your foes or it's not. Rarely is there ever a close fight. And even if there was, very few actions will change the outcome. It's point, click, and watch my pretty little spaceship circle around another pretty little spaceship while we pew-pew each other. It's not a space battle, it's watching a ballet in space.

Then there are the quests, or lack of I should say. There are like 3 "lines" of 5 missions per difficulty scale, some of which repeat across difficulties. Basically 40ish missions in the entire game. It gets very very VERY boring. Imagine trying to play WoW or any other MMO that had only 40 quests you could do and are always done the same way over and over?

The game is actually pretty cool in the beginning once you learn how to play. When all the quests are roughly "new" and you get into a corp and fly around. Skills come fast, and you feel like you are DOING something. You feel a sense of accomplishment at having achieved a new weapon type, or a new space ship, or even a new thruster. But then it slows WAYYYYY down and you start looking more closely at the flaws because well, the game is boring. That's EVE in a nutshell. Enjoy it for the next month or two because it will wear pretty fast.

QFMFT

 

[Beev]

I played it for the two week trial and loved it. I bought the full game and played for the first month and then just... stopped. I enjoyed playing, but I guess I didn't feel like I was accomplishing anything anymore.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I was Spec Ops Minmatar too. When I left I was floating around in the Minmatar cruiser. The one that looks like a rubber chicken.

hahaha. When did you play? you should get back into it

Originally posted by: JRich
Shit happens...

Where are you at Malladine?

Right now i'm in Heimatar(sp?)/Metropolis regions, mostly Anher, Pator, Eystur systems it seems.

I like that EVE can have a calming effect on me, and yet at other times is pretty exciting, and I haven't touched Militia Office never mind real pvp. What is Militia btw? And should I be thinking about it at all right now, given the quality of my ship? haha

another question - is there a way to activate all my turrets at once?

You're not too far from me, although I'm an Amarr pilot I hang out in Min space as my corp is part of the Min Militia. Militia is just what it says it is, it's a militia. Group of pilots/corps that join together to guard the factions systems/gank the opposing factions etc. Sure, you can join factional warfare (militias) early on, and be useful as a tackler (like it has been mentioned earlier - small fast ship with a warp scrambler, stasis webifier, and microward drive). You WILL lose your ships though, and you will lose them often. Your job is going to be to catch up, and stop a bigger ship from moving so that your fleet (group/party) can catch up and kill it. Many times you will be blown up before your fleet engages fully. As long as you have your ship insured, you shouldn't really be at much of a loss. Also, a lot of people in a fleet/militia will throw you some money as a new player and you shouldn't have to worry about purchasing small ships from then on.

Two essential programs you should grab are EVEMon and EFT. The first tracks your training skills and allows you to plan out future training based on your desired skills/items/ships/etc. The second will allow you to play around with ships and configurations based on your specific set of skills so that you know what you can and cannot fit at the moment.

Lastly, yes, you can group your weapons to fire at the same time now, it's new. Honestly, I'm not even sure how as I haven't had much of a chance to play since the latest patch.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: Canai

If someone pops you in highsec they'll get Concorded immediately. If you're in lowsec and using autopilot, you deserve to be popped

Doesn't matter. Some people have too much ISK they can have the fun they want popping newbs with slightly more expensive ships for the hell of it.

Also, if you are actually carrying cargo worth enough, most poppers that are gate guarding in high sec are in groups. They scan your cargo, see how much it's worth and if it's worth way more than what ship they are flying, you bet your sweet ass they are going to have someone pop you and then have someone else there to collect all the loot that floats away. 11 mill isk ship or 500 mill + cargo. Yah you be the judge. Saw it happen all the time.

Also, seen people get real bored in the High pop High sec space stations. You know, the major hubs where there are always hundreds of people floating around the station. Basically a griefers wet dream. Just smart bomb the whole place and watch everyone in the sector go KABOMB!!! It's actually funny to watch if you happen to be out of the blast zone when one or a few of these idiots do these stunts. Then it's a mad dash for grabbing cargo and making it aboard station or out of sector depending upon your rating.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: Canai

If someone pops you in highsec they'll get Concorded immediately. If you're in lowsec and using autopilot, you deserve to be popped

Doesn't matter. Some people have too much ISK they can have the fun they want popping newbs with slightly more expensive ships for the hell of it.

Also, if you are actually carrying cargo worth enough, most poppers that are gate guarding in high sec are in groups. They scan your cargo, see how much it's worth and if it's worth way more than what ship they are flying, you bet your sweet ass they are going to have someone pop you and then have someone else there to collect all the loot that floats away. 11 mill isk ship or 500 mill + cargo. Yah you be the judge. Saw it happen all the time.

Also, seen people get real bored in the High pop High sec space stations. You know, the major hubs where there are always hundreds of people floating around the station. Basically a griefers wet dream. Just smart bomb the whole place and watch everyone in the sector go KABOMB!!! It's actually funny to watch if you happen to be out of the blast zone when one or a few of these idiots do these stunts. Then it's a mad dash for grabbing cargo and making it aboard station or out of sector depending upon your rating.

Your information is extremely dated. CCP changed the amount of negative security standings you earn for popping ships in high and low sec. As of right now it is very easy to dip into negative sec standing fast for pvping in low sec with just a few fights and high sec is a lot worse. The amount of negative sec standing you end up for suicide ganking nowadays is very significant and just forget about podding people in high sec unless you don't ever want to head into high sec again. Anyways you sound very much like a resolute defeatist.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: Canai

If someone pops you in highsec they'll get Concorded immediately. If you're in lowsec and using autopilot, you deserve to be popped

Doesn't matter. Some people have too much ISK they can have the fun they want popping newbs with slightly more expensive ships for the hell of it.

Also, if you are actually carrying cargo worth enough, most poppers that are gate guarding in high sec are in groups. They scan your cargo, see how much it's worth and if it's worth way more than what ship they are flying, you bet your sweet ass they are going to have someone pop you and then have someone else there to collect all the loot that floats away. 11 mill isk ship or 500 mill + cargo. Yah you be the judge. Saw it happen all the time.

Also, seen people get real bored in the High pop High sec space stations. You know, the major hubs where there are always hundreds of people floating around the station. Basically a griefers wet dream. Just smart bomb the whole place and watch everyone in the sector go KABOMB!!! It's actually funny to watch if you happen to be out of the blast zone when one or a few of these idiots do these stunts. Then it's a mad dash for grabbing cargo and making it aboard station or out of sector depending upon your rating.

And this is why eve is awesome. Because things like this can happen

 

[nsafreak]

Ahhh EvE probably a perennial you either love it or hate it to death game here on the AT forums. Been playing for a bit over 3 years now. Have 2 accounts one is a industrial pilot that's pretty well skilled at flying a Hulk and the other is my PvP account. Believe me I definitely do not follow any plain jane pattern when flying my PvP ships either. The only ship that follows any kind of pattern at all is my Moros (Dreadnaught class capital ship) and that's because its typically operating as part of a group. I'm going to fly my Pilgrim (force recon) differently than I would my Absolution (command ship) just like I wouldn't fly my Phobos (Heavy Interdictor) the same way I would fly my Crow (Interceptor) even though they perform similar roles. Really the two main things that you have to have to play this game and enjoy it are patience and the ability to pay attention. If you don't pay attention in this game it's very likely that you'll find yourself in a station in a new clone going "WTF?!".

 

[shortylickens]

Am downloading the demo now. Will be on soon. Look for Shorty_Lickens.

Is 21 days enough to get a feel for the game?

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Am downloading the demo now. Will be on soon. Look for Shorty_Lickens.

Is 21 days enough to get a feel for the game?

I think it will be, yes. Just don't expect to be able to accomplish much solo in terms of PvP after only 21 days. The great thing about EVE is that there is just SO much you can do. I might actually pick up a second account just so I can start an industrial pilot for fun.

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
And this is why eve is awesome. Because things like this can happen

Agreed. Cargo can flipping/rating on mining ships that are AFK mining is absolutely great. Yes, sometimes in EVE you need to have that asshat PvP griefer mentality.. but it can be so satisfying.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Am downloading the demo now. Will be on soon. Look for Shorty_Lickens.

Is 21 days enough to get a feel for the game?

oh definitely! welcome

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Really the two main things that you have to have to play this game and enjoy it are patience and the ability to pay attention

QFT man. Some quickness of fingers probably helps too, that i'm seeing so far anyway. and nice personal fleet, lol.

Vrolok: why wouldn't you just learn industrial skills on your existing pilots?

Oh, got podded again last night, I was on auto but at the computer. 1 hit from this guy's 650mm artillery took out my shields and 10% of my armor. lol. I had maybe 5 seconds to respond then I was done and my pod destroyed.
But it's cool, the corp i was heading to join said they'll buy me a replacement. Just annoying I lost the armor repairer and shield booster fittings

 

[JRich]

Armor and shield boosting?

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Am downloading the demo now. Will be on soon. Look for Shorty_Lickens.

Is 21 days enough to get a feel for the game?

oh definitely! welcome

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Really the two main things that you have to have to play this game and enjoy it are patience and the ability to pay attention

QFT man. Some quickness of fingers probably helps too, that i'm seeing so far anyway. and nice personal fleet, lol.

Vrolok: why wouldn't you just learn industrial skills on your existing pilots?

Oh, got podded again last night, I was on auto but at the computer. 1 hit from this guy's 650mm artillery took out my shields and 10% of my armor. lol. I had maybe 5 seconds to respond then I was done and my pod destroyed.
But it's cool, the corp i was heading to join said they'll buy me a replacement. Just annoying I lost the armor repairer and shield booster fittings

I'm still a relatively new pilot, so I haven't wanted to waste the training time in industrial skills while I beef up some other core/ewar skills. Heck, I'll give you armor reppers and shield boosters next time I log on. You'll find very quickly that pretty much anything that's tech I and not named is incredibly cheap to replace.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: JRich
Armor and shield boosting?

hey it's a big deal to me!

Vrolok what do you mean tech 1 "and not named"?
and gotcha on the ind. skills. i've kinda been spreading my skills out, but I need some for imp. fittings, like engineering level 4 for tacitcal...something for targeting i think.

 

[jRaskell]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
11 mill isk ship or 500 mill + cargo. Yah you be the judge. Saw it happen all the time.

That's a pretty poor example for one really simple reason. If you're afk autopiloting (or hell, just autopiloting in any way) with 500 mil cargo, you deserve what you get.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Am downloading the demo now. Will be on soon. Look for Shorty_Lickens.

Is 21 days enough to get a feel for the game?

21 days is just barely long enough to get a feel of what you won't be able to do unless you plan on dumping a year of "offline" time into skilling up.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: jRaskell

Originally posted by: HumblePie
11 mill isk ship or 500 mill + cargo. Yah you be the judge. Saw it happen all the time.

That's a pretty poor example for one really simple reason. If you're afk autopiloting (or hell, just autopiloting in any way) with 500 mil cargo, you deserve what you get.

Locked secure audit log containers FTW!

If someone decides to suicide gank me on a Jita run, all they're going to get out of it is a container they can't open Also I'm pretty sure if some pirate were dumb enough to gank me, the anti-piracy alliance I'm in would demolish them and their corp.

I went through three trial accounts before deciding to sub, so I really don't think a couple weeks is long enough to get a real feel, but it's a good start!